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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
somewhere without avatars.........
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I was addressing the theme, stzzo... Not necessarily your post. I can see how it seemed that way tho. Wasn't intentional.
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BASE666
Gym climber
Yosemite Park Ranger
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Yes I can see why people (using the word "people" loosely here) would hate DP for climbing a Rock, a scared Rock blessed by God, the NPS and the Great Sthate of Utah.
Indeed we know how important this Rock is, after all it's on the licence plate proving it's holyness and there's a jackhammered trail for the pilgrims to walk to it. And if you fart loud enough, it might just fall over cause it's so Delicate.
Angering "Land MisMangers"? yes as we all know middelage white males make the rules. And don't you just know it, they're always right, so don't make them mad, just do as you're told. and hate those that don't. Heck you haters can't even use your real name's, wow. . .DF
Hey Nef. . .
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Moof
Big Wall climber
A cube at my soul sucking job in Oregon
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Base666,
I have zero hate for base jumpers. I don't fully understand their risk/reward calculation, but whatever floats your boat.
I DO have hate for those that enshrine the dead base jumpers, or dead soloists as tragedies. It's sort of like being surprised that someone playing russian roullette eventually shot themselves in the head. In my own personal opinion the odds are bad enough in base and soloing that I blame the individual, and don't feel the need for sorrow.
car crash=tragic
dieing playing chicken in a car=good riddance
dieing playing russian roullette on delicate arch=where's a sniper when you need one
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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no dude that doesn't climb or have a name, that is the point. . .DF
stevep, I respect your opinon and the fact that you got the sack to use your name here. . .
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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I don't hate Dean, but the Delicate Arch thing was a stupid move. It brought needless negative publicity on climbers and endangered access. If he was trying to make a point about stupid restrictions, that wasn't a good way to do it. If he was soloing for himself, what he did wasn't good for that either.
And while I respect your experience DF, as someone who lives and regularly climbs in UT and in the Moab area, I'd like to think I've got a better perspective than you do in CA.
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KP Ariza
climber
SCC
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#1 contributor to this thread goes to.........Bullwinkle! Doof, you're a schmuck. Of course, its only one mans opinion
DK
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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The REAL issue is NOT that Dean climbed Delicate arch;.....the REAL issue is that he climbed it with too much clothing;......c'mon;............(I guess he's just shy.....no reason to hate him.......).....Dean is awesome,.......and many of the laws set by our government to protect us from ourselves belong in the toilet......(This ALL started with the Kennedys....smoking pot in the White House, sleeping with movie stars, driving off of bridges and giving all our hard earned money to crack heads on welfare..............and now;...see;...we can't even climb a little sandstone arch in OUR OWN Park....you know;....National;....for the people, by the people?......and even if you are STILL pissed about that little arch episode...(get over yourself.....).......you HAVE to admit that soloing with a parachute is RAD..........)....I'm pissed off too;....pissed off I haven't climbed Delicate Arch myself...........yet.........I hope Obama can bring back some sanity to Utah....and make it legal to climb some of those awesome arches......(.....You KNOW Palin would say it was OK.........).........this is what we get for puttin' an Irish Catholic in the White House.....
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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I didn't know Obama was Irish or Catholic. Learn something new every day.
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BASE104
climber
An Oil Field
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Geez, Moof. Hatred? That is a pretty bad vibe. And stunts? These are not stunts. It is a sort of evolution.
I think that what he is doing is like a branch of a tree. There has always been a deep connection between jumpers and climbers, if you are on the down low. The idea that someone would marry the two was sort of inevitable. There have been a lot of climbers who got into jumping going way back to the early eighties when BASE got started.
And while I don't know Dean, I have friends who do, and he seems like a very good fellow. To question his motives is foolish. It is his business.
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Impaler
Trad climber
Munich
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Domingo wrote:
Hasn't Werner explained this several times? The climbers were the ones pissed off about the BASE jumpers. Turns out it's both dangerous and terrifying aiding a big wall and having someone shoot past you. Not saying NPS didn't have motivation: I seem to remember hearing employees talk about having to go do a body search every time a touron would call in a BASE jump...
Sorry, dude, but this is a bunch of BS right there. First off, some of the coolest moments in my climbing career were watching BASE jumpers jump past me. Yeah, was the most terrifying thing on some of the climbs (not all), but since it doesn't endanger the climber in any way it's just pure fun watching someone whooosh past you. Just another shot of adrenaline, what many of us climb for...
As for your second point, it all just a matter of park regulations. I did a route on Mt. Brento in Arco, Italy about a month ago and had about 20-30 BASEers jump past me (I lost the count after a while). I am pretty sure noone did a body search that day. It was all just fine. BTY, when we topped out we met another 15-20 BASErs who were hiking to the top to jump. Some italian dudes gave us their car to drive down! Totally made our day (and probably theirs)! Considering how many people jump from there every day I'm pretty sure the sport is not nearly as dangerous as people who don't do it make it seem.
Vlad
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GRJ
climber
Juneau AK
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Please, BASE will always piss people off and scare them. We live in a society that loves to tell everyone else how to live, especially those that like to live free. If anything Dean is doing all of us a favor by making these publicity stunts. It gives everyone something meaningless to complain about.
Notice no one has mention the hundreds of thousands of acres ol' GW just opened to oil exploration and drilling just miles from the "delicate arch." Pull your heads of out your asses and focus on a real issue instead of this crap. Let the guy do what he wants, he is climbing cleaner than most of us could ever dream of.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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I just got to say that Dean Potter and Chris Mac are both visionaries. It is incredible to see them both combine climbing and BASE jumping. I can only do both together in my dreams.
I probably won't BASE jump, although I have skydived (21 jumps then got into paragliding) although I truly admire it. I like having time on my side to work out any problems. BASE does not give you much time. It has to be perfect or close to perfect to work.
I will stick to climbing and paragliding. My wing is fully flying before I ever leave the ground. We don't ever jump! We fly. If anything goes wrong I can abort and I get a "do-over." You don't have that forgiveness in BASE jumping.
None-the-less I'm truly impressed by these human flying squirres. It is the future. Truly amazing and inspirational. Follow your dreams . . .
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Somebody writes: "The climbers were the ones pissed off about the BASE jumpers."
I'm always surprised when I hear people say this, because in my experience there was a kinship bond between BASE jumpers and climbers. It seems to have started when a rumor went around that a climber spilled the beans on BASE jump and bad consequences were the result. That may have been true, I've never fully heard all sides of the story, but it's hard for me to believe, because as I said, there was more of a kinship and mutual respect between BASE jumpers and climbers in my days in the Valley.
As far as climbers pissed about flying jumpers, that seems like total BS. Who?
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couchmaster
climber
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Aug 25, 2016 - 03:04pm PT
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Good folks. Bold. Nearby climb we are working on has folks frequently jumping off of it right past us with chutes and wingsuits. Literally, the middle of No f*#king whare. Or close to it anyway. Wanted to see if the jumpers had discussed an alternative access to the top online as the road had washed out, and a quick online search revealed that some guy augered into the rocky base the week after I was there.
Fella survived a 1000' drop the chute had to have been partially open. They helo'ed him out.
Best to all -
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Aug 25, 2016 - 05:38pm PT
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What have the last eight years taught us?
One from the vault to say the least.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 25, 2016 - 08:59pm PT
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