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Flashlight
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:18am PT
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Knott changing the subject dirtbag, just wondering why it is that 99+% of the stuff coming from you Obama worshippers is criticism of the Republican VP nominee. You never(without telling me to search for it on ST) espouse the virtues of your saviour. You never speak of what an awesome choice Biden is.
Personally, I WOULD vote for Palin if she was at the top of the ticket. I am sick and tired of career politicians running things. Someone new and less polished going to Washington is a good thing.
Every politician from the beginning of time has run on a platform of "change" yet they always do things the same old way. Obama campaigns for "change" and picks a VP that has been in the Senate for 35 friggin' years. Change?
Lois: Affirmative, I am he. :)
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WBraun
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:23am PT
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Obama's no good either, but at least he isn't an azzhole like McCain.
America needs a real honest to goodness leader. Not some party sheep dog.
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WBraun
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:30am PT
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It's dark outside and Jody needed a flashlight to see and then ...
Eureka! He see's the light and says "I am Flashlight"
It's not so hard ........
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dirtbag
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:30am PT
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Jody,
Now that I think about it, I believe VP selection has become the number one issue. I had a lot of problems with Palin when she was selected. She's far exceeded my initial misgivings. She scares the hell out of me. That's no joke.
She can't say what she (or McCain) wants to do with the US in her own words, Why? Because she's clueless! She doesn't know anything about the issues. NOTHING.
And you support that?
She's running for VP. She needs to know something!!! And she's articulated NOTHING, NOTHING that demonstrates any knowledge of the crises we are facing.
Yes, I would much rather have Obama as President on this issue alone (along with others). Biden is a gaffeomatic, but he also has a 30 year plus record and command of issues foreign and domestic. It was a careful choice that not only shows his willingness to score political points, but also to leave the country in good hands if he should die in office.
Palin, on the other hand, keeps an eye on Russian Planes and believes the bailout will help healthcare.
I've never cared about VP selections Rep or Dem because they've all been basically somewhat competent.
This one matters!
We'd be in deep, deep trouble if she gets in.
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Flashlight
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:31am PT
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Youth.
Not important.
Athleticism.
Not important.
Health.
McCain's health is fine, he's just old.
Intellect.
Examples of this?
He's more articulate.
As long as he is articulating from a teleprompter. And, as I have said before...I am tired of smooth talkers. They are liars and I don't trust them.
He knows law better.
Examples?
Other world leaders already like him more than McCain.
Totally unimportant. The reason they like Obama is becvause they know he'll be a pushover and they will be able to get their way with the U.S.
He had the vision to see the folly in invading Iraq, McCain didn't.
Documentation? Obama wasn't on the scene when we invaded Iraq.
He hasn't supported Bush 90% of the time in the last 8 years, McCain did.
General statement. Means nothing.
McCain flip flops more (torture, state of the economy, off shore drilling, bush tax cuts etc, etc).
Open for debate on that one.
Obama's wife is smarter, and more articulate than McCain's. A better First Lady.
Totally unimportant.
Obama's stated tax policies are better for average Americans than McCain's.
Tax and spend...I would expect you to like those policies better.
There's a chance for universal health care progress with Obama, none with McCain.
ONE reason why I would vote for McCain. Socialism has no business in our country. People could get health care COVERAGE if they wanted to. They would just need to prioritize.
McCain wants to drill, drill, drill - an oil company shill.
And how do YOU propose energy independence? You can squawk about alternative energy all you want but you know good and well that it isn't viable in our lifetime. Our country is driven by oil and you might as well get used to it
Obama might further alternative energy.
Might?
Obama has a more diplomatic temperament, McCain is hot tempered and belligerent.
Just what we want as our leader. Some wuss saying to the rest of the world, "Can't we all just get along?"
Obama didn't pick Sarah Palin as his running mate.
But he DID pick a 35 year in the Senate career politician to further his "change" agenda. LOL! Someone who, on multiple attempts, could not even get his own party's nomination for Prez.
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John Moosie
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Beautiful California
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:32am PT
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I agree with you Werner. I am voting for Obama because he is the better of the two choices, not because he is some savior. The whole savior business is just more right wing crap. See Kevin's post for reasons to vote for Obama.
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graniteclimber
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Nowhere
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:34am PT
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Main Entry:
1stu·pid
Pronunciation:
\ˈstü-pəd, ˈstyü-\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
Middle French stupide, from Latin stupidus, from stupēre to be numb, be astonished — more at type
Date:
1541
1 a: slow of mind : obtuse b: given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner c: lacking intelligence or reason : brutish2: dulled in feeling or sensation : torpid 3: marked by or resulting from unreasoned thinking or acting : senseless 4 a: lacking interest or point b: vexatious , exasperating
— stu·pid·ly adverb
— stu·pid·ness noun
synonyms stupid , dull , dense , crass , dumb mean lacking in power to absorb ideas or impressions. stupid implies a slow-witted or dazed state of mind that may be either congenital or temporary . dull suggests a slow or sluggish mind such as results from disease, depression, or shock . dense implies a thickheaded imperviousness to ideas . crass suggests a grossness of mind precluding discrimination or delicacy . dumb applies to an exasperating obtuseness or lack of comprehension .
COURIC: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?
PALIN: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land-- boundary that we have with-- Canada. It-- it's funny that a comment like that was-- kind of made to-- cari-- I don't know, you know? Reporters--
COURIC: Mock?
PALIN: Yeah, mocked, I guess that's the word, yeah.
COURIC: Explain to me why that enhances your foreign policy credentials.
PALIN: Well, it certainly does because our-- our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They're in the state that I am the executive of. And there in Russia--
COURIC: Have you ever been involved with any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?
PALIN: We have trade missions back and forth. We-- we do-- it's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where-- where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is-- from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to-- to our state.
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Flashlight
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:35am PT
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Lois, NO! I am not voting for Obama. How could you possibly think that?
I really don't know who I am voting for at this point. I wish i could write myself in, I would straighten this country out once and for all.
~Flashlight, shining the light of truth on the darkness that is ST.
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John Moosie
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Beautiful California
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:36am PT
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Flashlight, You must be trolling. It would be very difficult to be that stupid.
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Flashlight
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:37am PT
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Lois, I know exactly what you are saying. However, I am ABSOLUTELY SICK AND FREAKIN' TIRED OF HAVING TO VOTE FOR THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS!!!!!!!
I decided after the last election that I will no longer do that. I am going to vote FOR someone, not AGAINST someone, or I won't vote at all.
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HighDesertDJ
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:38am PT
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If you are picked to be the VP candidate and head out on the campaign trail with the obvious lack of preparedness that Palin has shown then you are in fact stupid.
Hint 1: If you are going to try to sell a message like "McCain is a maverick" then have some substance to back that up before you start repeating it over and over again.
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Flashlight
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:40am PT
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Lois, you ARE delusional if you somehow gathered that I was voting for Obama. My feelings are hurt that you would even THINK that.
I don't know what you have been reading but it hasn't been my posts.
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HighDesertDJ
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Arid-zona
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:40am PT
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Jody she said by NOT voting for McCain you are essentially voting for Obama.
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graniteclimber
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Nowhere
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:44am PT
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"He's more articulate.
As long as he is articulating from a teleprompter."
Watch the debate. Obama is articulate without a teleprompter.
"And, as I have said before...I am tired of smooth talkers. They are liars and I don't trust them."
Because he's articulate you think he's a liar? Wasn't Jesus an articulate speaker? Along with many other smart articulate non-liars?
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HighDesertDJ
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Arid-zona
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:44am PT
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LEB- Why is Palin ready and right for the Presidency?
Also: speaking simply doesn't not necessarily mean the same thing as being articulate. McCain did the classic "oversimplify shuffle" at the debate while Obama tried to describe a more complex view. It is true that McCain was more clear than Obama, but when your viewpoint can be boiled down to one statement then of course it's easier to be clear.
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Flashlight
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:45am PT
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It is NOT a vote FOR Obama Lois.
It is a vote FOR someone else. I don't care how you try to spin it.
In reality, it doesn't matter what I do with my vote in the Communist state I live in.
Warbler, not my argument, I'm not for either one of them.
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Flashlight
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:46am PT
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Granite, I should have said "smooth-talking politicians".
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graniteclimber
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Nowhere
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:46am PT
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"BUT the reality is that it is McCain vs Obama."
LEB, we are voting for teams. The choice is between McCain/Palin vs Obama/Biden.
You should expect the VP to have an active role in shaping the administration with a 10% chance of suddenly and without warning becoming President.
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WBraun
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:47am PT
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Hahaha
Hey Kevin (Warbler)
You should ah been here tonight at the facelift party.
400 people and I saw the fattrad.
So I say Jeff, over here man, while standing in the dark, and he ran away ... hahahahaha.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:50am PT
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Jody said: "In reality, it doesn't matter what I do with my vote in the Communist state I live in. "
Oh man that is really funny. Why? Because a few years ago I mentioned that it would be a lot more fair if we did away with the Electoral College for this exact reason. You responded snottily: "Um hell? There's a little something called the Constitution? Duh!"
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