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bringmedeath
climber
la la land
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I'd take at 2 hammers if they are as quality as they are sounding. If this is a one time thing maybe a couple more and some extra handles.
BD beak design is pretty damn good but they f*#ked it up with that stupid little hole for the #2 wire. That is like one time use for a tight corner. I'm sure Bryan's design has the improvements that I would do, so I won't even start.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 7, 2006 - 09:13pm PT
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The hammer head would be from the same company and forge as the original as would the handle be from the same company that provided them to A5. Conrad is of the opinion it would be better with a different handle from that company that would be more like an axe handle. That's a decision we'd have to make along the way. Each batch of 250 hammers would potentially be a one time deal.
I've seen Mineral's design and like it. The existing A5 Beak stamp is still available and the cost of creating a new one for Mineral's design is quite reasonable these days. Now that the Alien episode is calming down I'll try to get back on this project as soon as possible. Thanks for everyone's patience...
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Irisharehere
Trad climber
Gunks
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And people said that the sense of community among climers is dead - this project is great evidence to the contrary.....
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Handles I can make, or modify.
You got any idea on a price yet, or a delivery date?
I agree that thin seams should be terrorized.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 7, 2006 - 09:46pm PT
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I suspect we'll probably do this via paypal and if we go over 250 reservations in the initial run we'll get the orders requoted for more.
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steelmnkey
climber
Phoenix, AZ
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I don't do PayPal (used to, until some sack of sh*t nabbed my account once and charged a satellite phone on it), but be happy to send you a money order or cashiers check.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 7, 2006 - 10:02pm PT
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Don't worry, I'm sure we'll figure out how to accomodate everyone.
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1timer
Trad climber
Reno, NV
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Im in for one hammer
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T Moses
Trad climber
Paso Robles
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I have seen Bryan's new design beak and it is awesome. Definite improvement.
Bringmedeath: Yes it does solve the nailing it into a corner problem quite well.
Healyje, can you post a pic of the different handles? Curious on the shapes.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2006 - 01:23pm PT
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Theron,
I can't yet, but I suspect by "hatchet" Conrad is referring to a handle that is bit a flatter, wider front to back, and with a slight ergonomic curve towards the butt end.
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bringmedeath
climber
la la land
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I don't see how a hachet handle would work that well. That sounds like pure sh#t for most situations.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2006 - 04:42pm PT
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Conrad is no stranger to walls or hammers and put some thinking into this so I'm not inclined to dismiss an idea of his without giving it some pretty serious consideration. He has his reasons and I for one would like to hear more about them. Don't worry, we'll all learn more about it as we go down the road and get a chance to beat it to death as it were.
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bringmedeath
climber
la la land
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I'd have to see it, but from what I've heard it looked like is what I'm going off. It may work fine for just pins, but a curved handle doesn't sound good for extensive heading and drilling. The reason forged is going to be the sh#t is for drilling! My BD is mushroomed from not even much drilling, my buddies is mushroomed like crazy and that is his 3rd BD.
If you get a pic from conrad that would be cool. I am just wondering if it was tested extensivly or just a proto idea that was messed with. Always open to ideas... but this one is weirder than most from the sound of it.
Like is it curved like ice axe???
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2006 - 08:25pm PT
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I believe he's talking about something more along these lines...
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Southern Man
climber
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This is such a cool proj. I'll take one of 'dem 'dar ammers.
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yo
climber
NOT Fresno
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Ya, I'm with bringmemuerto. I actually went to the garage and conducted a very scientific study by picking up my hammer. It definitely ain't a straight-forward, nail-driving grip. And you do a lot of twisting (to reach long, for instance) that seems to indicate you need a pretty circular handle, not long and flat like a hatchet. Whatever. In Joe Healy I trust!
And I want Law beaks! I put in 15 beaks on Sat. and the whole time I said to myself...there's got to be a better way. ahahahha
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2006 - 10:41pm PT
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I myself haven't really looked at it yet. I've done years of carpentry and driving nails and from that perspective you find the same sort of deal - most heavy framing hammers have always had more or less straight rounded handles with some of the new designs having a more hatchet shape but still a fairly round profile. I suspect, now that I've found better pics, that Conrad maybe thinking something more these lines (with more rounded profiles) than actual flat hatchet handles but we'll have to invite him to discuss it with us once we get going:
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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I believe that doe's foot is supposed to give you more leverage or a better angle, but on axes it is not a good idea. putting your hand closer to the wall might not be so good either.
I don't really give a crap about the handle, I'll make one or modify one, so how about a price and date?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2006 - 03:36am PT
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The Deuce5 Open Source Hammer Project
Dirt,
When you run a line down through the head on those hammers I think you can see the handles move your hand away from the wall a bit. Won't know prices until we spec out the head brackets, heat treat, finish, and assembly costs.
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steelmnkey
climber
Phoenix, AZ
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I got just the design ticket for that "extreme" nailing...
Someone outghta split this thread into a new one too...getting way too huge to load.
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