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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 24, 2005 - 12:38pm PT
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Put a post here and the quantity you'd support...
We don't know anything yet - like:
* whether Ajax still has the molds
* does OP Link still have the handles
* Don't know about the Tangs (yet)
* Who would finish the heads (and drill the funk hole)
* Who would heat treat the heads
They'd probably come to you unassembled (and we should come up with a stamp for them...). Lot's of questions before this gets off the ground but we need folks to commit for at least 150-200 of the 250 minimum order before I'd go too far with this...
Joseph
P.S. John - if that name is too presumptious we can change it...
I'll take 2 - Nature says he'll take 1 - that's 247 too go...
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John F. Kerry
Social climber
Boston, MA
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Mar 24, 2005 - 12:40pm PT
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I'd be in for 1 hammer kit.
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Knoxville
climber
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Mar 24, 2005 - 12:54pm PT
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I'm in for one and can do some legwork for the project if ya'll need help. just let me know.
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Mar 24, 2005 - 01:12pm PT
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yup... i'm in. I'm asking a couple friends if they might be interested - my guess is i'll up my order.
and unless Deuce objects I like the name "Deuce5".
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macgyver
Social climber
Oregon, but now in Europe
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Mar 24, 2005 - 01:15pm PT
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I am in for FIVE.
My guess is this could go up as I get a feel for interest over here in Europe.
Rock on.
Also I like:
Da Deuce5 (DD5)
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Shack
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Mar 24, 2005 - 01:29pm PT
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Well, healyje, I guess you got to Ajax before me!
Damnit! I had to actually work this morning and couldn't call till just now.
Vicki @ Ajax says she working up the quote and should have it for you in a matter of minutes!
I'm guessing $3000 to $3750 for a run of 250.
$3750 = $15 each they could be more though cuz steel has almost doubled in the past 18 months and will go up again
in a couple months.( it's cyclic)
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Shack
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Mar 24, 2005 - 01:40pm PT
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Joseph, Let me know what Vicki says when she calls you back.
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Mar 24, 2005 - 01:46pm PT
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Wow! Sounds like you guys are on a roll. $15 is a nice starting point. I'm curious to suggestions of how me might finance the order if'n it can happen.
Let us all know what Vicki says, please!
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bigwalling
climber
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Mar 24, 2005 - 01:47pm PT
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I really don't think it would be too hard to sell 250 of them! Bring these to the valley and sell them!
Anyone gonna check about the beaks for quotes?
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Mort
climber
GR, MI
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Mar 24, 2005 - 02:25pm PT
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I'd be in for a hammer as well.
I'll also be working on a blue print for the beaks tomorrow as time permits. I do a lot of work in sheet metal, but we don't do any stamping in house or use any 4130 material. If anyone is interested in a print, let me know I'll send it once it's done.
Marty
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sbwyliedog
Trad climber
Santa Barbara, CA
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Mar 24, 2005 - 02:50pm PT
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I'd be in for a couple.
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yo
climber
NOT Fresno
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Mar 24, 2005 - 02:53pm PT
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Two hammers and a couple baker's dozen beaks, please.
I love the D5 name, BTW. It seems important to give this batch its own identity. The old ones are cool because they're discontinued and no one can get one. Just making more makes them vastly less cool in no time. But making a new batch that's actually new in some key way is also cool.
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macgyver
Social climber
Oregon, but now in Europe
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Mar 24, 2005 - 03:11pm PT
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I am open to going in on this as a partnership (both in terms of money and time).
Healyje is definitely heading the charge but I am willing to extend some project management and finance control to mix.
If a small group is willing to pony up the cash and time we can commit to the feasibility study to make a great one of a kind product.
So Healyje, and other potentially passionate project partners, do you want to pool some resources and get this thing of the ground?
LETS MAKE THE D5 A REALITY.
Let me know!
Andrzej
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Mungeclimber
Social climber
N. California
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Mar 24, 2005 - 03:22pm PT
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$15 for just a part of the hammer?
But if the total price is right, I'd be in for 1 also.
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JMC
Trad climber
So Cal
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Mar 24, 2005 - 03:42pm PT
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I'm in for 2 heads.
I am also in the LA/Burbank area, and am willing to shuttle materials between forging, machining, heat treating, locate a heat treating vendor, store materials, etc., up to ~ 10 hrs. of time. This has the makings of a good co-op project. I would reccomend establishing a treasurer and project manager to pool financial information, interested parties, materials needed, etc. Perhaps a separate webpage?
Some details to be compiled:
1) who is interested (running tally)
2) How many heads total (running tally)
3) forging cost
4) machining cost (will be greater than #3)/vendor
5) heat treating cost/vendor
6) tangs - cost/vendor
7) handle cost/vendor (direct from mfr. or?)
8) assembly of finished product to be done by? - cheapest way is to supply each individual with the parts necessary, and have him/her put it together.
9) one last detail to be sourced - sling/w rap-ring sewn on it for a leash - one of the nicest details on the hammer. For the ultimate in irony, get a quote from Russ?
-John
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deuce4
Social climber
Pagosa Springs CO
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Mar 24, 2005 - 03:47pm PT
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you all might want to see if Ajax can make a slight modification to the die, to change the A5 to D5 (located on the bottom front of the hammer head).
Not sure if that's possible, or how much they would charge.
Funny, D5 is the name of an old fellow dirtbag who used to live in Flagstaff....
I will look for my old notes at some point in the next month or so.
cheers!
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crotch
climber
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Mar 24, 2005 - 03:54pm PT
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Would anyone care to explain what makes these particular hammers superior to the products currently available? We're talking about blobs of metal that yo use to smash things, right? Educate me.
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Mar 24, 2005 - 04:17pm PT
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I can't be of much assistance in terms of project management or financial backing. If the web page idea becomes reality I can help out there. I can host any information on my web server as well as provide any programming or design work.
crotch - have you ever worked construction or with tools to the extent that you started to prefer one brand/type over the other? Not sure I can explain exactly why they are preferred. I know I prefer a Ewing metal framing hammer vs a hickory handle. *shrug*
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Mar 24, 2005 - 04:44pm PT
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I'll take one.
While the subject is hammers, does anyone have an old forest mountaineering Molinjar?
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bulgingpuke
Trad climber
cayucos california
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Mar 24, 2005 - 05:38pm PT
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i really want one !!
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Mar 24, 2005 - 06:56pm PT
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While the subject is hammers, does anyone have an old forest mountaineering Molinjar?
Yep. With a full selection of picks.
Also an old Forest Wall hammer, too (non interchangable head). Same shaft as the old, original Lowe Hummingbird (except the Forest shafts were painted blue). Neat-o.
Hmmm...anyone seen the new ACE hammer (proto only)?? Rumor has they aren't going to tool up to go into production as nobody's ponied up the start up tooling costs. Has an angled wood handle (like a real short axe handle), more weight distributed in the head, narrower pick profile. Head is much more...almost triangular in appearance. Still has a cleaner biner hole in the head. Kinda neat.
Hard to beat the ol' A5 hammer!
Brian in SLC
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Mar 24, 2005 - 07:51pm PT
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Has anyone seen the Klym Me Rock Products (stupid name) wall hammer? The Yo Mtn. shop used to sell them but that was a while ago and I think he made just one run… Heavier, square black head, narrow pick, biner hole, longer handle, poor head/handle attachment, etc. I helped design the hammer and have a couple that I have used quite a bit. They work well but loosen up over time. The A5 handle attachment is definitely superior.
I would be interested in helping out with this hammer project and a beak project as well if others are interested. I have a newer design for a beak, based off of the Mud Beaks, that I never had a chance to have produced or sell. It took BD eons to finally come out with larger versions of the Pecker (the medium size is awesome, btw) but I still think there is room for improvement in the normal beak size and one slightly larger. #3 (1/8”) cable should be used instead of the #2 (3/32”) cable currently used, etc., etc….
Will the D5 be close to an exact replica of the A5 or will it be a newer, refined version? I assume that the hammer will eventually be sold in stores or by mail order, requiring a business license and such? Who will run the business? What about liability? Etc………
Sounds like a fun idea but it might get complicated. Maybe with enough people involved, complications will be minor.
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bigwalling
climber
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Mar 24, 2005 - 08:00pm PT
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ha that is the hammer that looked killer for some corner nailing!!! That square head is cool!
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T2
climber
Cardiff by the sea
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Mar 24, 2005 - 08:10pm PT
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I am in for at least one head, I would probably buy a few if that is what it takes to make this happen.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Chatsworth
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Mar 24, 2005 - 08:15pm PT
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I can help with this project and would be in for a few hammers.
I can help with vendors in Scal.
Rockstar
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2005 - 08:16pm PT
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Gang - thanks for the support. We're looking into some of the legal side of things and collecting quotes for the heads, handles, heat treatment, and the beaks. Currently we would only do another stamping of the existing beak die, not to say we couldn't do more later...
The suggestion has been made that John get a piece of every hammer and that the profit if any go to ASCA or YOSAR or somewhere similar...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2005 - 08:27pm PT
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Klym Me Rock Products - If their hammer was as weird as the cleaning tool of theirs I picked up for Stephane and the Nut Museum in Corsica then it would have to be pretty strange...
Pictures...?
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bigwalling
climber
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Mar 24, 2005 - 08:28pm PT
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oh it is pretty strange looking... but I thought it looked like it would work really well. I actully want one pretty bad.
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crotch
climber
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Mar 24, 2005 - 08:50pm PT
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I haven't worked any construction, Nature. The only tools I'd say I've developed a brand preference for are cams and flow cytometers. Given that everyone loves these things and in the spirit of open source, count me in for 1.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Mar 24, 2005 - 09:02pm PT
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Yeah, that nut tool was pretty weird, for sure. The hammer isn’t really weird at all and I prefer it for drilling over any other hammer. Klaus uses one too. The narrow pick design is good for placing thin heads and accessing deep groves. The A5 hammer is still a cool hammer; this one is just a little different.
Not exactly a hammer picture but it’s all I have right now…
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bigwalling
climber
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Mar 24, 2005 - 09:35pm PT
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was that the nut tool that had like springs in it or something? Klaus had some weird ass nut tool on ebay a while back that did that.
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phillip mike revis
climber
snowbird, ut
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Mar 24, 2005 - 10:32pm PT
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sign me up for a hammer always wanted one but never had the cash flow back then to fork out 90 bones
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T Moses
Trad climber
Paso Robles
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Mar 25, 2005 - 12:15am PT
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I am in for one.
I am interested in quoting the beaks. You have a die already and just need the die put in a press? I run a Sheetmetal/Machine Shop with numerous presses up to 110 ton capacity. I am also building a CNC Plasma shape cutting machine. It might prove to be an alternitive method for cutting out beaks. Please send me some prints.
What machining proccesses do you need done to the heads of the hammers? I am interested in quoting these also. Email me for more contact info.
The Mad Bolter said, "When you carry a hammer all the time, everything starts to look like a nail".
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 25, 2005 - 04:01am PT
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Bigwalling - Yes, that's the very one. I bought it and now it's in Stephane Pennequin's Nut Museum in Corsica, France...
Minerals - Thanks for the great picture, can sort of see the hammer down below those Lowe/Byrne Ball Nuts and Aliens...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 25, 2005 - 04:03am PT
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T Moses,
Those are some great, great offers and we'll definitely have you quote on any relevant work. Would it be easier to just send you a beak? I'd have to get details on the hammer head work, but at the very least a hole needs to be drilled that will accept a carabiner (for a funkness cable). John said doing that eats up drills at a rate of a couple of heads per drill. Beyond that they would need to be heat treated.
Joseph
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Irisharehere
Trad climber
Gunks
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Mar 25, 2005 - 09:37am PT
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I'll take a hammer and a half dozen beaks.....
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jean
Trad climber
Cardiff-by-the-Sea
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Mar 25, 2005 - 09:40am PT
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Bigwalling - that nut tool was called a Yanker. I bought one to retrieve an overcamed BD#1 and still have it. It's way to big to take on every climb, but it's an amazing tool.
-j
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Mar 25, 2005 - 10:52am PT
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I'm in on the hammer, been using an old Chouinard climb axe ( similar to the crag hammer) but the teeth get in the way occasionally. How about a link to another page for hammer orders and let people put their money where there mouth is... 50 orders at $100.00 @ give or take, should be able to get the heads cast. Probably most complete climbing shops would be happy to carry them, but be realistic about making a profit, optimism is great but if it were that easy everyone would do it.
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T Moses
Trad climber
Paso Robles
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Mar 25, 2005 - 11:07am PT
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Joseph,
Sorry I don't do heat treating. I shipped my heat treating stuff to Santa Clara Heat Treating but you might find something better down in the Los Angeles area.
Facing the front and drilling the carabiner hole would be no problem. The right coolant and the right drill might solve eating the drill bits. I could also make the tangs. They are made out of stainless? Possibly would be willing to do assembly.
Go ahead and send me a beak. That would be an easier way to prototype them. Are there any modifications that we might want to make?
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deuce4
Social climber
Pagosa Springs CO
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Mar 25, 2005 - 11:30am PT
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You guys on on it.
By the way, I do not want any profit from this, you are on your own! The hammer mold was definitely not included in any "asset sale" I may have made in the past, so it is in effect, de facto public domain. But I will help with any engineering advice as a outside consultant.
IF there is any profit (a big if, it would be a first for a forged climbing hammer), the proceeds going to a non-profit is an awesome idea.
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Irisharehere
Trad climber
Gunks
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Mar 25, 2005 - 11:53am PT
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Yosar, ASCA, Access Fund, any consensus on where people would like to see the money go?
Who could best use an extra few bucks from the climbing community?
Irish
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DavisGunkie
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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Mar 25, 2005 - 12:34pm PT
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i would definitely be interested in a hammer and a couple of beaks
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deuce4
Social climber
Pagosa Springs CO
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Mar 25, 2005 - 01:26pm PT
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I just sent the beak jig, built by Walt Shipley, to Tom Kasper, a freind of Dr. Piton's, who bought a batch of mis-heat treated beaks (and will be re-tempering). You might want to get in touch with Dr. Piton if the open source climbing outfitters (OSCO) happens. The jig is used to help brace the blank during the milling process of the taper on the blade.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Mar 25, 2005 - 01:59pm PT
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Go ahead and send me a beak. That would be an easier way to prototype them. Are there any modifications that we might want to make?
Yes!
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Mtnfreak
Mountain climber
Bellingham, WA / Bishop, CA
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Mar 25, 2005 - 09:22pm PT
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Count me in for a hammer, just tell me where to send the $$!
Chris
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Zander
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Mar 25, 2005 - 09:38pm PT
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I'm in for one hammer. Visa, Master Card or unmarked hundreds- let me know.
Zander
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jack herer
climber
chico, ca
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Mar 27, 2005 - 04:11am PT
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id get one or two depending on the price so definatly count me in for one
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foster
climber
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Mar 27, 2005 - 04:47pm PT
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i'll take one
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Moof
Trad climber
A cube at my soul sucking job in Nor. CA
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Mar 27, 2005 - 09:52pm PT
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I'm in. It better be better than my $12 job.
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Manjusri
climber
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Mar 28, 2005 - 06:38pm PT
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In for one
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Shack
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Mar 29, 2005 - 10:49pm PT
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healyje, just a little info....
I checked with some CNC guru buddies of mine and they tell me that milling the hammer head would be no problem.
According to the experts, with the new diamond cutting tools, they can cut stuff that Carbide can't. Like inkanel, forged titanium, forged inkanel etc. so forged 4340 would be no problem.
Maybe you've already found that out?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 30, 2005 - 05:05am PT
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Shack, yes that's the feed back I got as well on the CNC milling. Thanks for checking though. Having a pretty heavy week so am a little behind on my D5 chores, but should be caught up directly...
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alasdair
Trad climber
scotland
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Mar 30, 2005 - 05:14am PT
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I'd love one. Though getting it to europe could be difficult!
alasdair
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OW
Trad climber
Patagonia
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Mar 31, 2005 - 06:02pm PT
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I'll take three hammer heads. Was someone looking into handles? Got a price yet?
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Festus
Mountain climber
Antelope Valley
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Mar 31, 2005 - 06:19pm PT
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You can put me down for one.
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Mar 31, 2005 - 06:54pm PT
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Me too. Er, I'll take one also.
-Brian in SLC
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2005 - 08:17pm PT
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OW - I'm getting a quote on the handles and stamping another run of DeuceBeeks
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Are those handles going to be wood or what?
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Shack
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Wood you prefer something other than would?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2005 - 09:45pm PT
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Yes, wood from the original vendor - waiting on a quote for 250 of those as well as 2000 beaks...
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Do you know if the original handles were split or sawn? Grain runout is what I'm thinking about, but if the blanks were split then there wouldn't be any grain runout really.
And I would prefer wood, wouldn't yew?
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Rhodo-Router
Trad climber
Otto, NC
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F*&%'n high school kid ran off with my hammer in December. Put me down for 1.
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steelmnkey
climber
Phoenix, AZ
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I'm in for one.
Sounds pretty OaK to me. I'm already pining for one. They should really kick some ash.
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Mtnfreak
Mountain climber
Bellingham, WA / Bishop, CA
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Apr 11, 2005 - 11:47am PT
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bump
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Apr 11, 2005 - 12:05pm PT
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A wood handle is a must ! " Nothing like a good piece of hickory", my elbow is screwed up from a fiberglass handle framing hammer and 12 hr days non stop straight for 6 weeks of framing 2 summers ago. It has severly limited my climbing the last few seasons. My own fault though. I was trying to get the second story finished on my home before the building dept. found me, it didn't matter though, six months after I was done a neighbor turned me in anyways.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 11, 2005 - 12:15pm PT
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Mark,
Wood they will be. For your next project get a Paslode or Porter-Cable gas powered nailer; I have the Paslode and it has really saved my wrists and elbows over the years.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Apr 11, 2005 - 09:13pm PT
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count me in too, at least one and maybe two (who knows?).... my old hammer is a joke... but I haven't had to use it in a long time... now I have ideas!
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thedus
climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Apr 20, 2005 - 01:55pm PT
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I'd like two, if they're still available.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 20, 2005 - 06:54pm PT
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thedus,
We haven't quite started yet, but I'll mark you down...
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Apr 20, 2005 - 10:29pm PT
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I've got all the guns, PC and Hitachi, never a huge fan of paslode, just the nature of long days in construction makes long days hauling the pig seem easy. Let's make some wall hammers. Where do we send the money?
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squeaks
Big Wall climber
Denver
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Apr 20, 2005 - 11:07pm PT
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I'll take one too
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Mtnfreak
Mountain climber
Bellingham, WA / Bishop, CA
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May 17, 2005 - 01:06pm PT
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So what's the status on the project?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - May 18, 2005 - 04:00am PT
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Have quotes for everything and have been looking at assembly/finish options on the hammers. On the Beaks Bryan has come up with a new design to go along with the original Beaks. We have quote for the originals and a new design die is reasonably cheap in the $3-$500 range. Also still sorting through a few remaining legal issues. Will post a more in-depth status within the next couple of weeks.
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YetAnotherDave
Trad climber
Vancouver, BC
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May 18, 2005 - 10:10am PT
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I'm in for a hammer
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dmitry
Trad climber
Chita, Russia
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May 19, 2005 - 02:47pm PT
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I'll take one hammer, Joseph, if we keep the total cost of the finished product under US$80.00
thanks,
d
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Jun 29, 2005 - 12:16pm PT
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I'm tired of friends mocking me for my cassin hammer.
What's the word on this project?
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Jun 30, 2005 - 12:02pm PT
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Hellooooo.......
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Shack
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jun 30, 2005 - 12:17pm PT
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Any beaks done yet?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2005 - 01:18pm PT
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Not yet and probably not before the fall but I do have a line on a stash of some existing ones if you send me an email...
Will be posting an update on the project in a couple of weeks - am in Cabo at the moment (nice breeze and a cappucino...). Still working it, however...
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Jun 30, 2005 - 01:27pm PT
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New beaks! New beaks! New beaks! New beaks! New beaks!...
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Shack
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jun 30, 2005 - 08:24pm PT
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Cool Joseph...I just sent you an E-mail.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2005 - 03:08pm PT
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A bump for Conrad and Pamela to find this thread...
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lazide
Big Wall climber
Bay Area, CA
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Jul 29, 2005 - 10:40am PT
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I'm in for some beaks (8) and a hammer
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malaka
climber
gothenburg, sweden
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Jul 29, 2005 - 06:43pm PT
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In for a couple of beaks and a hammer!
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Shack
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Aug 22, 2005 - 06:30pm PT
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Any new news? Joseph?
Don't make me buy a BD! Please!
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Shack
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Aug 22, 2005 - 08:47pm PT
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How 'bout the beaks?
Anything?
They say no news is good news,
but I think no news sucks.
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Shack
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Aug 23, 2005 - 01:39pm PT
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Bump...
Healyje......
Any word?
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Scrunch
Trad climber
Provo, Ut
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Aug 24, 2005 - 01:52am PT
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I'd be interested, price dependent.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2005 - 05:42am PT
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Currently stalled on both fronts - simply put, we got ahead of ourselves a bit and really need to have a conversation with Conrad relative to his toughts on the matter. I've initiated that conversation but we haven't gotten very far with it to-date. Will keep you posted more often...
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Shack
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Aug 24, 2005 - 12:42pm PT
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What does Conrad have to do with the D5 hammer project?
Just curious.
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kev
climber
CA
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Aug 24, 2005 - 01:44pm PT
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Count me in for 2.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2005 - 04:44pm PT
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Possible legal realities around the A5 sale - probably not from what I understand at the moment, but we should by all means get Conrad's blessing if possible. I offered to direct any profits to the Alex Lowe Charitable Foundation but we still need to hear back from him...
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malaka
climber
gothenburg, sweden
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anything happening here? Sure would be nice to have a new hammer..
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 9, 2005 - 05:42am PT
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I'll have an update by the end of the month...
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malaka
climber
gothenburg, sweden
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sweet
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rja
Trad climber
somewhere between LA and Baja
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I want 4.
Bob A
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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Im in for TWO.
WHHHHHHAAAAAAAHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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I would be in for some beaks also.
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Hans.H
Mountain climber
Berkeley, CA
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Nov 10, 2005 - 11:32pm PT
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Let us talk climbing
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malaka
climber
gothenburg, sweden
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Sooo? Any news?
Keep on keeping on.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2005 - 10:32pm PT
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Waiting for one last email...
Hopefully the next couple of days.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
So. Cal.
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*keeping fingers crossed*
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deuce4
Big Wall climber
the Southwest
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Heard a rumor in Joshua Tree that Anker was selling the biz. Any word on this?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2005 - 05:53pm PT
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Part of the biz to BD, a done deal...
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deuce4
Big Wall climber
the Southwest
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what part, I wonder?
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GOclimb
Trad climber
Boston, MA
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Didn't see the thread the first time around.
Put me down for one hammer. Thanks!
GO
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grover
climber
Castlegar, British Columbia
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Signed up to say........ Count me in for one.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2005 - 10:38pm PT
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Everything soft I believe...
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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At least that leaves the good stuff - iron.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2005 - 08:49pm PT
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Well, the planets managed to line up - so we appear to have ignition and a green light...!!!
We'll probably have to re-quote the heads and handles, then line up finishing, heat treatment, and assembly. To all the players I've spoken with in the past about the project, I'll be sending an email the next couple of days and, if you're still in, then we can figure out getting the ball rolling. Probably do some preliminary organizing work pre-holiday and start in earnest after the break.
I suspect we'll still do an order of 250 as we discussed earlier and will work up a price for them based on that quantity once we have all the costs in for the work. We'll be asking whatever that price is as well as asking you to kick in whatever you can beyond that for the Alex Lowe Charitable Foundation in support of their fine work in Nepal. ( http://www.alexlowe.org/ )
We'll also probably see about doing a run of the old Beaks and/or Bryan Law's new and improved beak design. But, one thing at a time. So whoever ends up handling the financials will eventually let all you good folks know how much, how to order, and where to send the cold hard cash for a hammer (probably PayPal).
Again, thanks to all of you for your interest and patience...
 Joseph
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malaka
climber
gothenburg, sweden
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Fantastic news! Good work Joseph and anybody else involved in the project!
/erik
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Andy KP
climber
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count me in, and I know of at least 10 brits who'd want one.
Andy K
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DavisGunkie
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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hey, maybe once things get moving with regards to actually selling, we could start a new thread to keep from having to scroll through all these posts of people saying they want one
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 12, 2006 - 12:35am PT
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It's been slow on the old ST forum and a paucity of climbing threads (though the "deck of the year" was truely awesome)...
anyway I count 67 hammer requests... maybe Joseph (healyje) has got some requests offline. Any news?
2 healyje
1 nature
1 John F. Kerry
1 Knoxville
5 macgyver
2 Dingus Milktoast
1 Mort
2 sbwyliedog
2 yo
1 Mungeclimber (?)
2 JMC
1 dirtineye
1 bulgingpuke
1 T2
3 JuanDeFuca
1 crotch
1 phillip mike revis
1 T Moses
1 Irisharehere
1 mark miller
1 DavisGunkie
1 Mtnfreak
1 Zander
1 jack herer
1 foster
1 Moof
1 Manjusri
1 alasdair
3 OW
1 Festus
1 Brian in SLC
1 Rhodo-Router
1 steelmnkey
1 Ed Hartouni
2 thedus
1 squeaks
1 YetAnotherDave
1 dmitry
1 lazide
1 malaka
2 kev
4 rja
2 mynameismud
1 locker
1 GOclimb
1 grover
1 dave
1 Andy KP
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 12, 2006 - 01:26am PT
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Ed, wow, thanks for doing that, I do have a couple of email requests as well. I hope to get a launch going some time next week and the plan is still to do an initial run of 250 hammers with proceeds above our costs to go to the Alex Lowe Charitable Foundaion. Bryan, I, and others have also progressed some on the possibility of doing a run of either A5 beaks, a new design of Bryan's, or both. Starting sometime next week I'll setup a new thread for the project and try to post updates regularly.
Thanks for everyone's continued interest...!
Joseph
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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any word on this project?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 7, 2006 - 11:56am PT
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Ed,
No, events have not allowed me to crank it up to-date, still hope to do so in the latter half of this month.
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yo
climber
NOT Fresno
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What's this Minerals beak all about? Pics?
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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Hell, sign me up for one of 'dem hammers!
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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If I posted pictures, I’d be giving away my design ideas.
The design is an improvement on all beak-type pitons that have ever existed. I know that there is no money to be made; I just want to provide climbers with an improved beak design that works better. If we can deal with the legal/business logistics, then we can sell some to you and then you can go out and terrorize all of the thin seams that you can possibly find.
Who wants to climb clean when you can nail thin seams???
Got iron?
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bringmedeath
climber
la la land
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I'd take at 2 hammers if they are as quality as they are sounding. If this is a one time thing maybe a couple more and some extra handles.
BD beak design is pretty damn good but they f*#ked it up with that stupid little hole for the #2 wire. That is like one time use for a tight corner. I'm sure Bryan's design has the improvements that I would do, so I won't even start.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 7, 2006 - 09:13pm PT
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The hammer head would be from the same company and forge as the original as would the handle be from the same company that provided them to A5. Conrad is of the opinion it would be better with a different handle from that company that would be more like an axe handle. That's a decision we'd have to make along the way. Each batch of 250 hammers would potentially be a one time deal.
I've seen Mineral's design and like it. The existing A5 Beak stamp is still available and the cost of creating a new one for Mineral's design is quite reasonable these days. Now that the Alien episode is calming down I'll try to get back on this project as soon as possible. Thanks for everyone's patience...
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Irisharehere
Trad climber
Gunks
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And people said that the sense of community among climers is dead - this project is great evidence to the contrary.....
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Handles I can make, or modify.
You got any idea on a price yet, or a delivery date?
I agree that thin seams should be terrorized.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 7, 2006 - 09:46pm PT
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I suspect we'll probably do this via paypal and if we go over 250 reservations in the initial run we'll get the orders requoted for more.
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steelmnkey
climber
Phoenix, AZ
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I don't do PayPal (used to, until some sack of sh*t nabbed my account once and charged a satellite phone on it), but be happy to send you a money order or cashiers check.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 7, 2006 - 10:02pm PT
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Don't worry, I'm sure we'll figure out how to accomodate everyone.
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1timer
Trad climber
Reno, NV
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Im in for one hammer
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T Moses
Trad climber
Paso Robles
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I have seen Bryan's new design beak and it is awesome. Definite improvement.
Bringmedeath: Yes it does solve the nailing it into a corner problem quite well.
Healyje, can you post a pic of the different handles? Curious on the shapes.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2006 - 01:23pm PT
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Theron,
I can't yet, but I suspect by "hatchet" Conrad is referring to a handle that is bit a flatter, wider front to back, and with a slight ergonomic curve towards the butt end.
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bringmedeath
climber
la la land
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I don't see how a hachet handle would work that well. That sounds like pure sh#t for most situations.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2006 - 04:42pm PT
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Conrad is no stranger to walls or hammers and put some thinking into this so I'm not inclined to dismiss an idea of his without giving it some pretty serious consideration. He has his reasons and I for one would like to hear more about them. Don't worry, we'll all learn more about it as we go down the road and get a chance to beat it to death as it were.
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bringmedeath
climber
la la land
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I'd have to see it, but from what I've heard it looked like is what I'm going off. It may work fine for just pins, but a curved handle doesn't sound good for extensive heading and drilling. The reason forged is going to be the sh#t is for drilling! My BD is mushroomed from not even much drilling, my buddies is mushroomed like crazy and that is his 3rd BD.
If you get a pic from conrad that would be cool. I am just wondering if it was tested extensivly or just a proto idea that was messed with. Always open to ideas... but this one is weirder than most from the sound of it.
Like is it curved like ice axe???
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2006 - 08:25pm PT
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I believe he's talking about something more along these lines...
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Southern Man
climber
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This is such a cool proj. I'll take one of 'dem 'dar ammers.
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yo
climber
NOT Fresno
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Ya, I'm with bringmemuerto. I actually went to the garage and conducted a very scientific study by picking up my hammer. It definitely ain't a straight-forward, nail-driving grip. And you do a lot of twisting (to reach long, for instance) that seems to indicate you need a pretty circular handle, not long and flat like a hatchet. Whatever. In Joe Healy I trust!
And I want Law beaks! I put in 15 beaks on Sat. and the whole time I said to myself...there's got to be a better way. ahahahha
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2006 - 10:41pm PT
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I myself haven't really looked at it yet. I've done years of carpentry and driving nails and from that perspective you find the same sort of deal - most heavy framing hammers have always had more or less straight rounded handles with some of the new designs having a more hatchet shape but still a fairly round profile. I suspect, now that I've found better pics, that Conrad maybe thinking something more these lines (with more rounded profiles) than actual flat hatchet handles but we'll have to invite him to discuss it with us once we get going:
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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I believe that doe's foot is supposed to give you more leverage or a better angle, but on axes it is not a good idea. putting your hand closer to the wall might not be so good either.
I don't really give a crap about the handle, I'll make one or modify one, so how about a price and date?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 9, 2006 - 03:36am PT
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The Deuce5 Open Source Hammer Project
Dirt,
When you run a line down through the head on those hammers I think you can see the handles move your hand away from the wall a bit. Won't know prices until we spec out the head brackets, heat treat, finish, and assembly costs.
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steelmnkey
climber
Phoenix, AZ
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I got just the design ticket for that "extreme" nailing...
Someone outghta split this thread into a new one too...getting way too huge to load.
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Collonious
Trad climber
livin in Colorado
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ill take one
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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This thread is closed - please use new thread labeled:
:)
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