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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Sep 11, 2014 - 09:54pm PT
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blueringworm: In response to your relatively civilized comments, I'll give you a relatively civilized response.
Anybody can call their political system anything that they want. I believe that the official name for North Korea is "The People's Democratic Republic of Korea."
As I pointed out much earlier, the different "communist" nations are often at war with each other as they are with nations of any other ideology.
I completely disagree with much of what else you've posted in your reply, by the way.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 12, 2014 - 10:33am PT
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Stewey, you're entitled to your opinions, despite our disagreeing on many things.
It's ironic that you bring up the 'Democratic People's Republic of North Korea'. This is a common Marxist tactic, that is, to change the language to make it more palpable to the "masses". It sounds real nice.
China's the same way.
But it can be evidenced even here in the US. 'People For the American Way' (PAW), is a communist front group. Not overtly, of course, but by their philosophies. Sounds like a real patriotic group, right?
The whole term 'Progressive' was coined for the same reason. And also why the term 'traditional' has been smeared as old, outdated, and backwards-ass.
Leftists, commies, Marxists, or whatever always change the language of their policy to make it appear as something it is not. They have to sell it under the guise of a nicer name.
I just can't understand why so many suckers still buy it. People don't think, they don't listen or analyze. They just take the bait when it sounds all cozy and nice.
EDIT: Dr. F, there is very little that I fear. One of the things that everybody should fear though is the transformation of America into a socialist state. It's happening slowly, even as some Euro countries have started to realize their experiment with socialism is a failure.
Communism is indeed almost dead, but the philosophy is still alive in some circles. They just call it different names.
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Byran
climber
San Jose, CA
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Sep 12, 2014 - 10:44am PT
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I see. Sort of like when Commies made it legal to arrest citizens and hold them indefinitely without charging them with a crime, and called it the Patriot Act.
Or when they introduced a socialist system of standardized testing in public schools and called it No Child Left Behind.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 12, 2014 - 11:23am PT
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I see. Sort of like when Commies made it legal to arrest citizens and hold them indefinitely without charging them with a crime, and called it the Patriot Act.
Yeah, that's more like fascism.
Or when they introduced a socialist system of standardized testing in public schools and called it No Child Left Behind.
Common Core is even worse, and yeah, it's Marxist re-wiring of our kids. And f*#k! I have a kid in first grade now. I've got my eyes wide open on his homework.
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jstan
climber
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Sep 12, 2014 - 11:52am PT
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Blu:
Your son has no idea how lucky he is.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Sep 12, 2014 - 12:02pm PT
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so bluey
The US is ranked very low among the all developed nations in education. And we're falling further behind in every measure.
in 2012:
Math: #36 behind Slovakia, Russia, Spain, Italy and Portugal.
Science: #28
Reading: #24
in 2009:
Math: 31
Science: 23
Reading: 17
How about some "communist" countries for comparison
oh, wait, I can't find any..........
except maybe Shanghai China
#1 in Math, Science AND Reading, 2012 and 2009
Among the OECD
Overall, 30 nations had higher percentages than the U.S. of students at the "advanced" level of mathematics. The only OECD countries with worse results were Portugal, Greece, Turkey, and Mexico. Six percent of U.S. students were "advanced" in mathematics compared to 28 percent in Taiwan. The highest ranked state in the U.S. (Massachusetts) was just 15th in the world if it was compared with the nations participating in the PISA. 31 nations had higher percentages of "proficient" students than the U.S. Massachusetts was again the best U.S. state, but it ranked just ninth in the world if compared with the nations participating in the PISA.
What do you propose?
Less tax money for schools?
A bible on every desk?
None Dare Call It Treason on the required reading list?
Sending all those wetback kids back to where they came from?
What would Joe McCarthy recommend?
Or do you think the OECD is also a socialist/communist organization and biases it's data?
WAIT: I've just figgered out a solution: stop all standardized testing so the OECD can't judge us.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 12, 2014 - 03:00pm PT
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What do you propose?
Less tax money for schools?
A bible on every desk?
None Dare Call It Treason on the required reading list?
More money won't fix the problem.
Bibles may help, but that's for private schools. (look at their records!).
Sending all those wetback kids back to where they came from?
What would Joe McCarthy recommend?
Yes. Send them back. Ya wanna help them? Then we should invade and show them how to run a f*#king civil society! But you're prolly opposed to that. You must hate children and poor people!
Or do you think the OECD is also a socialist/communist organization and biases it's data?
WAIT: I've just figgered out a solution: stop all standardized testing so the OECD can't judge us.
All bullsh#t.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Sep 12, 2014 - 03:11pm PT
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Judas, er, blueringworm: there really isn't any hope for you. For starters, you're not particularly bright, so pretending that you have any special powers of discrimination when it comes to political analysis is laughable.
The reason that you've pissed off pretty well everyone on this forum who isn't a fascist is that you are incapable of accepting the simple reality that the last thing the U.S. needs to worry about is some kind of communist hell unleashed upon it by uncounted legions of conspirators who you claim are cunning enough to foment their odious agenda without a single legitimate news source or government agency catching so much as a whiff of these plans.
Your list of Fox "news" sources is beyond laughable - Bill O'Reilly is a pimple on the ass of journalism - so much so that if he was to undergo an amazing conversion to the other side of the fence of reason, my advice to him would be to keep his bullying mouth shut and study the Sermon on the Mount.
The United States has countless REAL problems to worry about - for starters, the TRILLION dollars stolen from the public purse by Bush and his war criminal parade of co-defendants to prosecute a completely needless war whose outcome (beyond obscenely lining the pockets of the Bush gang) was to cause the needless death of over 100,000 Iraqis and thousands of members of the U.S. armed forces, not to mention the uncounted numbers of traumatized military survivors who are now living on the streets.
Your nation's largest trading partner, China, is a "communist" country (in name only). Nevertheless, if you're so paranoid about the evil commies, why don't you devote your energies to get the U.S. to organize a total trade boycott against that nation? You never know - you might succeed long enough to witness the total collapse of the U.S. economy - shortly before mobs of enraged citizens of all political stripes lynched you.
Ignoring factual criticism of your ridiculous views without countering with factual responses does nothing to enhance your credibility - it just proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that you have fall out of a particularly tall stupid tree, and hit every branch - hard - on the way down.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 12, 2014 - 03:38pm PT
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the last thing the U.S. needs to worry about is some kind of communist hell unleashed upon it by uncounted legions of conspirators who you claim are cunning enough to foment their odious agenda without a single legitimate news source or government agency catching so much as a whiff of these plans
You start off on the wrong foot...
The United States has countless REAL problems to worry about - for starters, the TRILLION dollars stolen from the public purse by Bush and his war criminal parade of co-defendants to prosecute a completely needless war whose outcome (beyond obscenely lining the pockets of the Bush gang) was to cause the needless death of over 100,000 Iraqis and thousands of members of the U.S. armed forces, not to mention the uncounted numbers of traumatized military survivors who are now living on the streets
Is Obama liable for additional TRILLIONS?
Your nation's largest trading partner, China, is a "communist" country (in name only). Nevertheless, if you're so paranoid about the evil commies, why don't you devote your energies to get the U.S. to organize a total trade boycott against that nation? You never know - you might succeed long enough to witness the total collapse of the U.S. economy - shortly before mobs of enraged citizens of all political stripes lynched you
Should we re-adjust trade policy to encourage more domestic manufacturing? Instead of China?
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Sep 12, 2014 - 05:52pm PT
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Judas - oops - blueringworm: do you seriously think that continually cutting and pasting the postings of rational people with a mercifully brief, but dumb question underneath qualifies as an intelligent reply? Don't forget for a second that you have never posted a response to any critical postings that would last through 5 seconds of debate by objective human beings. Not. Once.
So how about amazing me by rationally answering my question about the benefits provided to the U.S. public and the world in general by the Bush administration's theft of ONE TRILLION dollars from the national treasury? After that, you can explain what thousands of U.S. military personnel and over 100,000 Iraqi civilians died for.
As I noted earlier, over 420,000 U.S. citizens died in World War Two - not only to rid the world of Fascism, but also to create a better nation for all Americans. The danger of your contemptible assertions being taken seriously in this evil excuse for a thread is to betray their selfless gift to humanity by making a mockery of their sacrifice in your temple of paranoid greed.
The entire planet got a glimpse of your true character when you committed a particularly vile and irrational piece of ignorant spite - you accused a veteran of the Viet Nam War of being a communist. Even a slime bag like you should have enough contact with reality to offer that poor man an unconditional and convincing apology.
The seasons pass, but you'll ALWAYS be an evil, pig-ignorant fool.
And...
Since you and your clones incredibly claim to worship Him, I should advise you that Christ will be waiting to have a brief talk with you guys when you leave this planet, and he's going to be very disappointed with your non-existent contribution to the betterment of humanity. As a Jewish victim of the Holocaust said to his tormentors shortly before being sent to the gas chambers, "God is watching."
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2014 - 12:17am PT
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So how about amazing me by rationally answering my question about the benefits provided to the U.S. public and the world in general by the Bush administration's theft of ONE TRILLION dollars from the national treasury? There is no "rational" explanation really. They would tell you that it was to keep the economy from crashing, or the banking industry. Kinda like what Obama did as well with his trillion dollar "injection".
After that, you can explain what thousands of U.S. military personnel and over 100,000 Iraqi civilians died for.
To make Iraq a "non-violent State", and a peaceful member of the world community. Haha! That worked out pretty well...
As in Germany and Japan, we should have left sizeable footprints there for a long time, but some people pulled everybody out and left a vacuum.
Since you and your clones incredibly claim to worship Him, I should advise you that Christ will be waiting to have a brief talk with you guys when you leave this planet, and he's going to be very disappointed with your non-existent contribution to the betterment of humanity. As a Jewish victim of the Holocaust said to his tormentors shortly before being sent to the gas chambers, "God is watching."
I live my life everyday as if God watches my every move. Kind of a good way to live. And I'm prepared to have an awesome discussion with Christ. I'm not perfect, no man is, but I do more good than bad despite what you think.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 13, 2014 - 08:56am PT
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The stimulus, which was not a trillion dollars btw, created three million jobs and helped prevent the economy from tanking. In other words, it helped save capitalism from itself.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2014 - 09:27am PT
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Dirt, is this where we start arguing about who's 'stimulus' was better?
It's been done before. I opposed all of this sh#t. Sometimes ya gotta let things crash. A 'reset'. Artificially inflating stuff causes bubbles that, guess what? Pop!
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Sep 13, 2014 - 01:54pm PT
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Judas - oops blueringworm: No, the invasion of Iraq was a war crime, and the world still holds Bush and his co-defendants accountable for the horrors he unleashed on the Iraqi people, not to mention, members of the U.S. armed forces. For. Nothing. Oh - maybe it gave that evil, inbred coward an excuse to put on the uniform he defiled and announce to the world... MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
And then Dubya headed off to make sure that he and his accomplices got their split of the trillion dollars they stole from the U.S. public.
Your hypocritical claims to possess even an atom of spiritual integrity are laughable. Perhaps you can explain how your utter contempt for the Sermon on the Mount is going to get you the slightest welcome in the afterlife? I guess it will, but not in Heaven.
Glad to see that you continue to use Fox news as your only source of credibility. It makes it easier to understand the intellectual emptiness of your twisted assertions.
I continue to fascinated to see your use of carefully cut and pasted selections of the comments of rational human beings posting on this thread followed by dumb-ass questions and non-sequiturs. I suppose it saves you the trouble of actually saying something that would qualify as intelligent.
So, when can we expect your heart-felt apology for accusing a wounded veteran of being a communist? Surely even you must admit that such a loathsome comment is unmistakeable proof of how low you will sink to pursue your twisted agenda.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Sep 13, 2014 - 07:30pm PT
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we should invade and show them how to run a f*#king civil society!
Yeah, like we did with America.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Sep 13, 2014 - 09:03pm PT
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Judas... oops... blueringworm:
Nope, couldn't find a single word in the Bible that said war criminals and greedheads are likely to be welcomed into the arms of a loving God (or his kid - you know, the guy who wrote the Sermon on the Mount).
Better make sure you've got lots of tanning lotion crammed into your coffin when you croak. You'll need it and I doubt that the Bush family and their friends will have any to spare.
Oh, yeah. I DID find something else that was interesting, but a bit confusing. It was all about rich people, camels and needles. Perhaps you can explain.
By the way, during World War Two, the army of Nazi Germany had belt buckles that said Gott mit uns(sp?) which translates to "God is with us." I'm pretty sure that He wasn't on THEIR side, either.
So noble of you to admit that you're not perfect, although you've made that fact abundantly clear since the beginning of this evil thread. Tell you what, though... if you spend the rest of your twisted life doing good works, reasonable people might start to refer to you as "not a complete arsehole."
I also await proof that you have at least an atom of common decency by providing an apology to the wounded veteran that you so cruelly and casually accused of being a communist. Unlike you, he put his ass on the line for his country - he deserves better, especially from you.
By the way, when are you going to explain what the "anything American" that non-greedheads are supposed to be against? You keep dodging that question like your chicken dung excuse for a President that you have such a crush on did with the opportunity to prove his manhood during the Viet Nam War.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 13, 2014 - 11:53pm PT
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It's been done before. I opposed all of this sh#t. Sometimes ya gotta let things crash. A 'reset'. Artificially inflating stuff causes bubbles that, guess what? Pop!
Be aware of this, climbers: If this guy doesn't like how you are climbing, and you slip, he will deliberately let you DECK, because he thinks you need a "reset".
Keep that in mind......
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Sep 14, 2014 - 04:53am PT
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Blue wrong, were you traumatized when they had you hide under your desk? Your mindset is locked in the fifties. ( the crew-cut racist fifties, btw). Don't burden your kid with that hate.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Sep 14, 2014 - 10:08am PT
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Don't burden your kid with that hate. best rejoinder yet.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Sep 14, 2014 - 03:04pm PT
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I think I've got at least the glimmering of an idea of how to respond to the comments posted by the life form known as Judas blueringworm:
Keep asking the gutless little hypocrite to explain what he meant when he accused anyone that wasn't a fascist what he meant when he claimed that reasonable members of the human race in the United States are opposed to "anything American". I've asked him to explain this (I admittedly haven't kept a running total) somewhere around twenty times, and he has yet to come up with a coherent explanation as to why he started this sick thread in the first place.
He is also the guy who claims to make a living from the use of facts and logic, yet he has used neither - even once - in reply to the assertions of those who disagree with him. As he has proven, he is additionally too much of a coward to post a definition of what these words mean to him, possibly since they don't exist in the dictionary of acceptable terms he uses in his hateful ravings.
He continues to pretend that Bill O'Reilly and his zombie brethern aren't merely particularly vicious examples of what the term "white trash" means. To the contrary, he has proudly claimed that these slime bags are actually capable of unbiased news reporting.
Never forget that he is the guy who accused a wounded veteran of being a communist, and yet he still lacks the common decency to offer the guy a heartfelt apology.
Maybe he could get a job as an emetic. He'd make a fortune.
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