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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, Ca
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Jul 19, 2008 - 12:52pm PT
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" ...Topless Climbing Women's expostulations... "
That does not sound right.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Jul 19, 2008 - 01:46pm PT
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The first and last pic from the UK "Mail Online" show the ladies wearing shoes, and are nothing more than posers. It appears to me anyway, that all of them seem to be aware that a photo shoot was the purpose of their being on the rock. Some what of a contradiction to their article.
Sorry if this offends anyone but here goes. Anyone that poses for a nude photo better be able to take any flack that comes with it, good or bad, male or female. Don't come down on the people looking at the pic and making comments no mattter what they are, this is exactly what the pics were designed to do. Debating peoples opinions are fine, expecting change of human nature is foolish.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Jul 19, 2008 - 02:09pm PT
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LEB, I understand your position, my wifes too. My post was referring to posing for pics.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Jul 19, 2008 - 02:38pm PT
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strong, did you use that Buchanan software for that one?
I can't even wear undershirts, I don't know how women put up with that apparatus in various key situations. Bouncing times are different, I get that.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Jul 19, 2008 - 04:54pm PT
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SS is definately taking lessons from Doug B.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
hopping on a moonshadow
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Jul 19, 2008 - 05:35pm PT
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I may be risking my life by telling you this, but we need to lead each other towards the understanding that what really upsets me is that Mtnmun wants to make all of us pay for his boondoggles. Let me get to the crux of the matter: We should agree on definitions before saying anything further about his vainglorious quips. For starters, let's say that "cameralism" is "that which makes Mtnmun yearn to make nearby communities victims of environmental degradation and toxic waste dumping." I have no problem with the manifestly obvious statement that he loves the truth only as long as it doesn't conflict with his zingers. I have no problem with the idea that without checks and balances, raucous Philistines are free to precipitate riots. And I have no problem with the special privileges occasionally granted to bad-tempered, impractical bloodsuckers. What I do have a problem with are his effrontive homilies.
If Mtnmun is going to make an emotional appeal then he should also include a rational argument. His tactics are merely a stalking horse. They mask Mtnmun's secret intention to understate the negative impact of revisionism. Mtnmun is an inspiration to sinful four-flushers everywhere. They panegyrize his crusade to make conditions far worse than could ever have been the case without his eccentric efforts and, more importantly, they don't realize that I am now in a position to define what I mean when I say that Mtnmun has a deep conviction that principles don't matter. What I mean is that Mtnmun's behavior might be different if he were told that he is every bit as moonstruck as clumsy, mawkish spongers. Of course, as far as Mtnmun's concerned, this fact will fall into the category of, "My mind is made up; don't confuse me with the facts." That's why I'm telling you that his ability to capitalize on the economic chaos, racial tensions, and social discontent of the current historical moment can be explained in large part by the following. There is only one way to stop Mtnmun from breaking down our communities. We must make out of fools, wise people; out of fanatics, men of sense; out of idlers, workers; out of the most pusillanimous ne'er-do-wells you'll ever see, people who are willing to challenge the present and enrich the future. Then together we can help people break free of his cycle of oppression. Together we can show the world that if we look beyond Mtnmun's delusions of grandeur, we see that he can't possibly believe that people prefer "cultural integrity" and "multicultural sensitivity" to health, food, safety, and the opportunity to choose their own course through life. He's shallow but he's not that shallow.
Mtnmun seizes every opportunity to topple society. I cannot believe this colossal clownishness. Any sane person knows that there are two related questions in this matter. The first is to what extent Mtnmun has tried to pander to what I call lazy roustabouts. The other is whether or not Mtnmun doesn't want to acknowledge that he goes ga-ga for any type of separatism you can think of. In fact, Mtnmun would rather block all discussion on the subject. I suppose that's because by his standards, if you have morals, believe that character counts, and actually raise your own children -- let alone teach them to be morally fit -- you're definitely a fatuitous ruffian. My standards -- and I suspect yours as well -- are quite different from Mtnmun's. For instance, I indisputably claim that when I hear him say that the cure for evil is more evil, I have to wonder about him. Is he entirely headlong? Is he simply being noxious? Or is he merely embracing a delusion in which he must believe in order to continue believing in himself? Apparently, even know-it-all Mtnmun doesn't know the answer to that one. It wouldn't even matter if he did, given that he may bring ugliness and nastiness into our lives right after he reads this letter. Let him. In the immediate years ahead, I will perform noble deeds.
Note that Mtnmun's communiqués are one of those things that will send self-pitying, grungy tricksters on safari holidays instead of publicly birching them. To pretend otherwise is nothing but hypocrisy and unwillingness to face the more unpleasant realities of life. Now, perhaps you think I'm imagining things. Perhaps you think that Mtnmun really isn't going to plunge the whole of Christendom into wars and chaos. Well, I wish it were just my imagination. But you know, I can't make heads or tails of his reinterpretations of historic events. I mean, does Mtnmun want to condition the public to accept violence as normal and desirable or doesn't he?
After I demand a thoughtful analysis and resolution of our problems with Mtnmun, I know that everyone will come to the dismayed conclusion that I stated at the beginning of this discussion: Mtnmun has been fairly successful in his efforts to scupper my initiative to redefine in practical terms the immutable ideals that have guided us from the beginning. That just goes to show what can be done with a little greed, a complete lack of scruples, and the help of a bunch of deluded cockalorums. Life isn't fair. We've all known this since the beginning of time, so why is he so compelled to complain about situations over which he has no control? That is, does his oversized ego demand that he foster suspicion -- if not hatred -- of "outsiders"? The only clear answer to emerge from the conflicting, contradictory stances that he and his zealots take is that the most vindictive barbarians you'll ever see suffer from a collective self-image that prefers victimization to success and imposes a suffocating group conformity that ostracizes nonconformists. Although Mtnmun's epithets are as screwed up as Hogan's goat, we are here to gain our voice in this world, and whether or not he approves, we will continue to be heard.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
hopping on a moonshadow
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Jul 19, 2008 - 05:39pm PT
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This is to voice my dissatisfaction with Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator's ideas. Those readers of brittle disposition might do well to await a ride on the next emotionally indulgent transport; this one is scheduled nonstop over rocky roads. As soon as you're strapped in I'll announce something to the effect of how Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator thinks that it holds a universal license that allows it to calumniate helpless dweebs. However, it has values that are antagonistic to a traditional, moral society. I'm inclined to think that Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator, with its craftiness and pathetic jokes, will entirely control our country's exuberant riches in a matter of days. Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator will then use those riches to show us a gross miscarriage of common judgment. The moral of this story is that its goal is to scupper my initiative to advocate social change through dialogue, passive resistance, and nonviolence. How inarticulate is that? How ungrateful? How malign?
As you can see, if we're to effectively carry out our responsibilities and make a future for ourselves, we will first have to help people see Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator's craven ramblings for what they are. Irreligionism has served as the justification for the butchering, torture, and enslavement of more people than any other "ism". That's why it's Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator's favorite; it makes it easy for it to brand me as sappy. Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator is not just bookish; it's simple-minded, too.
I hate it when people get their facts thoroughly wrong. For instance, whenever I hear some corporate fat cat make noises about how Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator is as innocent as a newborn lamb, I can't help but think that Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator talks a lot about academicism and how wonderful it is. However, it's never actually defined what it means. How can it argue for something it's never defined? To help answer that question I will offer a single anecdote. A few weeks ago, I overheard some pathological nefarious-type tell everyone who passed by that Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator can achieve its goals by friendly and moral conduct. Astounded, I asked this person if he realized that Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator's gloomy announcements run counter to human nature and, as such, are doomed to failure. Not only was his answer "no" but it was also news to him that it's easy for us to shake our heads at Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator's foolishness and cowardice. It's easy for us to exclaim that we should discuss the advantages of two-parent families, the essential role of individual and family responsibility, the need for uniform standards of civil behavior, and the primacy of the work ethic. It's easy for us to say, "Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator would like to see all of our individual liberties digest in the bowels of an all-powerful State." The point is that it's easy for us to say these things because Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator has been deluding people into believing that it is a martyr for freedom and a victim of exclusionism. Don't let it delude you, too. Before you read this letter, you might have thought that the average working-class person can't see through Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator's chicanery.
Now you know that Scott Pakin's automatic complaint-letter generator isn't as smart as it thinks it is.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Jul 19, 2008 - 05:53pm PT
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So it was mntman man who toppled society, and not the family bush?
Who'd a thunk it?
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Sherri
climber
WA
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Jul 19, 2008 - 06:26pm PT
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I'd be curious to know what MisterE's intent was in posting the picture in the first place(in more than one forum, I might add). Had his observation of the mysterious phenomenon of the two occasions of his female partners climbing topless NOT included the photo, we could have all celebrated his good fortune and her free-spirited climbing without the ogling, speculation, name-calling and such.
I agree that it's a beautiful image, and it's cool seeing a sister buck societal constraints in favor of personal comfort. But posting it as a "Topless Climbing Women!" thread hardly seems to honor that or her.
Erik, if you really wanted to know why they were bearing boobs ONLY at this crag, couldn't you have asked them while you were climbing with them? Something doesn't add up in this story.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Jul 19, 2008 - 06:53pm PT
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Nice Ice!
Mary Lou got a New Pair of Shoes
There were some advantages climbing back in the 60's-our motto was "Get Loose or Get Lost".
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal Hell
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Jul 19, 2008 - 07:08pm PT
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I'm glad there are guys out there that appreciate a more "soft" body, as in curvy women!!! Us curvy gals can still crank....
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blacksun
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, California
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Jul 19, 2008 - 07:14pm PT
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Yo Prod,
I'm sometimes a little harsh on my partners for slack belay technique too, but you've taken it too far!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Jul 19, 2008 - 10:04pm PT
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Weschrist, Why ? Worst thread ever...I guess I'm feeling mellow. I think despite some of the HOOOOrroorr's of some threads we can learn about our mates and their world's on each thread.
Guido, Suddenly I feel alot better about myself, thanks. Just do a few more one arm pull ups and life will be perfect. hehehe
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Roman
Trad climber
Boston
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Jul 19, 2008 - 10:57pm PT
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Goddamnit! Guido you always deliver!
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Jul 20, 2008 - 12:39pm PT
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I can't believe I did all of that. I am just a simple artist;^)
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Jul 20, 2008 - 01:15pm PT
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FINALLY.
I have been clicking on this thread for like a week, and up til now not one tittie.
Well, half of something is better than all of nothing. Who doesn't love chix with pix?
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Anastasia
climber
Not there
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Jul 20, 2008 - 04:54pm PT
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Marky,
People who think of others as dumb compared to their great wisdom and intelligence, are usually very basic, have single faceted view points, and are to egotistical to credit anyone else's ideas different from their own. They are very much in the same mind set as the original settlers who in ignorance thought that the Native Americans, Blacks, and Chinese were "savages and had child like" minds.
Yes... I know you "think" your comment is very witty, but it is actually showcasing your lack of insight and depth.
AF
P.S. As for Jody being smarter than myself... I believe that is very true... The guy has a career that is giving him all the benefits such as health, paid vacations and is going to allow him to retire early, etc. He owns a home, a business, nice cars and has enough spare time to take great pictures! He is married and has a great family, plus has the money to send his kids to college, etc. The man is a genius! If I can achieve half of his accomplishments, I will be doing good.
AF
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L
climber
Far off places where I left lipstick traces...
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Jul 20, 2008 - 06:26pm PT
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That's an awesome photo, Eric--tasteful and beautiful...and the epidomy of a strong woman climber.
Climbing topless is performance art, and needs to be appreciated as such.
Those women who peeled were obviously doing it for the benefit of Eric and the other guys around. Which is pretty amusing, really, and kind of cool in the essence that some women know how to bungle a guy's climbing technique while at the same time motivating him to attempt two grades beyond his skill level. It's a control thing...but in a sexy, harmless way.
Tan lines? C'mon. Any woman who climbs knows that if you're doing something easy, something you've done a dozen times before, yep...bronzing the back without a strap is fun!
But you put that same gal on a red-point effort, or an onsight at her climbing limit...or even a dicey slab route...and those tops will come right back on pronto. Cheese-gratering a nipple is no one's idea of a good time...having to worry about that and making clips or placing gear...plus climbing...and OMG if there's a roof to pull over--Yowza!
Even smaller-breasted women would balk at the thought of a ripped, bleeding nipple, much less a well-endowed female who could actually get titty-jammed in a crack. So accept it as Performance Art and bless your good luck, guys. It's still a dual-sexed world out there...and much more fun that way, too.
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Brutus of Wyde
climber
Old Climbers' Home, Oakland CA
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Jul 20, 2008 - 08:16pm PT
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Hmmmm.
I clicked on this thread, only to find that the "show all" button doesn't seem to be working very well.
What's up with that??
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