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bachar

Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 10, 2008 - 01:19pm PT
Dale Bard freed this beast in 1982 in EB's at 5.12d with Harrington.

Does anybody know who's done this thing?

Thanks, JB
marty(r)

climber
beneath the valley of ultravegans
Jul 10, 2008 - 01:41pm PT
I'll see if I can dig up an old Epperson photo of it (Chad Shephard climbing?) He's using some pretty unorthodox wide technique. Walt Shipley may have done it (mention of it showed up in another thread.) Schneider? Not many, that's for sure
Jaybro

Social climber
wuz real!
Jul 10, 2008 - 01:45pm PT
Double face out armbars ( in the photo, I've never been up there, yet)
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
Jul 10, 2008 - 01:47pm PT
Jay, what in the heck is that?!?
mongrel

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Jul 10, 2008 - 01:52pm PT
Regarding the brilliantly framed image by Epperson - the cramped frame conveying the climber's predicament perfectly - I understand that what followed immediately was a fall, so the fancy double arm bar is presumably not the way to go.
marty(r)

climber
beneath the valley of ultravegans
Jul 10, 2008 - 01:53pm PT
Here goes boys. Have at it!
It was buried deep in the "Homage to Roof Climbing" thread:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=197687&msg=198522#msg198522
darshahlu

Trad climber
Irvine, CA
Jul 10, 2008 - 02:02pm PT
that looks easy
Jaybro

Social climber
wuz real!
Jul 10, 2008 - 02:03pm PT
Okay, so it was a face in, attempt. Oh well.

As Schneider set to Walt (who had just suggested that very beta (guy never forgot anything he heard, I swear)) one memorable night, on the lodge slide show benches.

"Doubtful!"
Matt

Trad climber
primordial soup
Jul 10, 2008 - 02:10pm PT
is that up on the pywiak(sp?) headwall?

if so, i heard that was just a pose for a shoot as opposed to an effective technique for an ascent (let's be honest, lots of the climbing photos out there are either posed or re-enactment poses for photos).
Russ Walling

Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
Jul 10, 2008 - 02:11pm PT
looks casual.
lemon_boy

climber
Jul 10, 2008 - 02:13pm PT
i have actually used the 'double chickenwing' technique on several overhanging (and quite a few not-overhanging) routes, and it actually works pretty good. you set one wing, and then shuffle the other a small bit, slowly working them back and forth. in particular, it is pretty good in flares as they can conform to your arm dimensions a bit better than parallel cracks.
Jaybro

Social climber
wuz real!
Jul 10, 2008 - 02:27pm PT
I'll send Shanti.

I did no dble armbars on Lizard King, but maybe I should have-Mebbe on New Maps of Hell, too!
Bovine

Trad climber
USA
Jul 10, 2008 - 04:41pm PT
If Chad did not get it clean on that go in the photo, What about his partner that day, Sean Kriletich‎? I can't remember if either one of them sent...
tr4

climber
Jah Meadows,ynp,ca
Jul 10, 2008 - 05:34pm PT
Yeah I do remember in 2002 or 03 those guys going up there, Chad and Sean. I think Oliver the beast from Canada went up a few years ago too.
Raydog

Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
Jul 10, 2008 - 08:05pm PT
yeah, that thing looks light - uh huh...

(holy sh*t)
bob

climber
Jul 11, 2008 - 10:38am PT
Nope, no send for the boys in 2003. Looked hard as I stared up at them from below nursing my monstrous hangover. Bad enough that I still remember it. Looks quite engaging for sure. Definitely no problem for folks to take the whippers thats for sure. Sounds like a fixed nut was the lucky piece. Never got up there and tried it myself. Did the approach pitch when doing Soft White Underbelly. No pro! You thinking of getting up there John?
Bob J.
CF

climber
Jul 11, 2008 - 11:42am PT
I worked on this with Vern Clevenger back in the 70's and the crossed arm bars are pretty much the only thing that works as there is no crack in the back. Vern almost got it one day as he had the fist jam but then fell. The approach pitch is pretty run out and a bolt may have fallen out.
James

climber
Leavenworthless
Jul 11, 2008 - 12:36pm PT
Chad didn't send it and I believe the double-arm bar was a little bit of a pose. He couldn't figure out how to do it. Bard probably threw his legs over his head and did a Houdini move. There's a small brass stopper protecting the move. A little hairball. Let me know if you go out and try it John. I'd like to hear about it.
ct

climber
CO
Jul 11, 2008 - 12:59pm PT
Unclear if David Lama pulled it clean or not; nonetheless this photo is one of my favorites. Makes me miss the meadows!

http://www.alpinist.com/images/wallpaper/55/1280.jpeg
Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jul 11, 2008 - 01:03pm PT
Why is it called Boa Roof? I didn't know that boa constrictors had a habit of spitting out their prey.
Matt

Trad climber
primordial soup
Jul 11, 2008 - 01:40pm PT
hey chris-
the meadows misses you too bro!
426

Sport climber
Buzzard Point, TN
Jul 11, 2008 - 02:28pm PT
I talked to Oliver (Moon?)...anyways, the buft Canadian dude. He's done BFBB and other hard wide. He sez it's hard, but that's not "mandatory" beta...poorly pro'ed, as well.

ct, that's a fantastic photo.
chad

climber
Tuolumne
Jul 11, 2008 - 04:55pm PT
Just heard about this thread. Whats up Bachar, Bovine, James full of slander as usual. I'm up in the meadows right now using some sweet dial-up internet.

Tried that route twice, 2001 with sean K, neither of us sent, I fell out of the crux moves in the roof about a dozen times, onto the #3 peanut. cracked my cheakbone pretty good on one fall.

here's a bit of info. The fixed #3 peanut under the roof is the first piece off the anchor, then it's about 15 feet no more pro, through the crux. the crux is very short. the arm bars were actually pretty easy, and super secure for the first few, then your feet cut out and it's a couple real hard moves. it's a water groove, totally flaring . As far as I knew dale bard had the only ascent (proud), i think Oliver did not send, but it would be for lack of effort because he is a beast(he made short work of BfBB and Trench Warfare), maybe he did though. Maybe David sent it, wouldn't doubt that either. I talked to Dale years ago, he did it the same way as I tried, with the arm bars. After the last good arm bar, he sucked his legs up, jammed his feet into the back of the groove, and pressed his knees out against the sides of the groove. pretty wild beta, and definite short guy beta, i couldn't get my legs up i there. The route looks cool in pics, and from the road, but in reality it's a bit of a nightmare. the first pitch is a mellow 5.6 solo to a ledge with no anchor, then super runout grainy 5.9, then a 10d traverse under the roof that is always soaking wet. I think it would have more ascents, but most people go up once, and do not generally return. it's hard, but not in a fun way i guess. above the crux is pretty nice climbing though.

hope someone finds this info interesting. I'm off to the beach.
Russ Walling

Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
Jul 11, 2008 - 05:32pm PT
Did Piggot ever go up there or was that some other wide thing? Jaybro, do you recall?
Jaybro

Social climber
wuz real!
Jul 11, 2008 - 05:40pm PT
Piggot did the Owl, and at least got on Elephant's E. I thought Cilley told the he (Rick)did EE. I asked him about it and we ended up swapping Owl stories and never back to EE.
-never even spoke about Boa.
marty(r)

climber
beneath the valley of ultravegans
Jul 11, 2008 - 08:08pm PT
Chad,
Thanks for that write-up. Ever try Piroette? That one seems to get just as little traffic.
Nice job on Broken Arrow!
bachar

Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2008 - 09:15pm PT
I tried it with Dale a long time ago. We couldn't make a move on it. He became obsessed with it and got it.

Dale could straight arm bar anything - no stacking needed. The best pure off width climber I've ever seen.

I was looking at it the other day and it brought back memories.

It's wicked man....
James

climber
Leavenworthless
Jul 14, 2008 - 02:16am PT
Chad,
Good to hear you're not a poser. Hope the meadows are sick.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Arid-zona
Jul 14, 2008 - 04:56am PT
Pretty sure that Chad Shepard pic is from 2001. I'm not sure if he ever sent it but it sounds like he kept trying.

*edit* oops he posted in this thread already
P.Kingsbury

Trad climber
the jeep
Jun 29, 2009 - 12:30am PT
Bump for sickness!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jun 29, 2009 - 12:54am PT
John, What's it like getting to the biddness? ie the face below the roof.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jul 26, 2009 - 03:10am PT
ho man... looks so sweet

from the Alpinist web site...
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jul 26, 2009 - 03:42am PT
Dang!
Eric McAuliffe

Trad climber
Alpine County, CA
Jul 26, 2009 - 10:45am PT
isn't that somewhere near aqua nobby? Lama looks SOLID; thats a scary looking flare!


E
Steve L

Gym climber
SUR
Aug 20, 2010 - 05:02pm PT
Bump because its rad. Anyone get on it this year?
Fuzzywuzzy

climber
suspendedhappynation
Aug 20, 2010 - 10:29pm PT
Dale. Focus. Done...eventually.

Hey, that is a superb pic of Boa and the Forked Tongue Rt.

Reminds me of why we went up there. What beautiful rock.

TC
WBraun

climber
Aug 20, 2010 - 10:34pm PT
If you can/have done Boa roof you're an instant rock climbing demigod ......
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jun 9, 2012 - 12:15am PT
the start of another TM season...
Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
Jun 9, 2012 - 12:32am PT
this thread is really about how strong Dale was and how intense and focussed he could be.

EDIT: although looking through it again I'm thinking about how odd it is that John has moved on
Sierra Ledge Rat

Social climber
Retired in Appalachia
Jun 9, 2012 - 01:37am PT
that looks easy


(:
spenchur

climber
Flagstaff/Thousand Oaks
Jun 9, 2012 - 12:45pm PT
bump for meadows radness...

the polish on that part of the wall in the Alpinist picture is truly stunning.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 6, 2012 - 12:08am PT
bump
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 6, 2012 - 12:58am PT
Send thSt Noa before the road closes! Serious afternoon sun.
Loomis

climber
Peklo
Dec 29, 2012 - 02:35am PT
Rumor has it, Adam Ondra did this onsight.

Any stories about this claim?
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Dec 29, 2012 - 02:56am PT
He travelled all the way to Tuolumne to secretly climb a 12D offwidth?

lol. :)
Loomis

climber
Peklo
Dec 29, 2012 - 03:14am PT
A Black Diamond™ photo is supposed to support this claim.

GDavis: There may be things we are not allowed to know about, for the sake of photo ops.
Willoughby

Social climber
Truckee, CA
Nov 20, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
Boa bump.

Hey Jaybro, with all the wide action going down these days, I seem to recall that you had a plan to tackle this sucker a couple of summers ago. Did that ever happen? 2014??

Archives EDIT:

Looks like you had sleeping arrangements worked out, a topo to guide your way, everything.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 20, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
I don't think that way'd go...
...we sort of looked at it.

somehow, people are scared off by the 5.9 pitch that Robbins did free to get to the roof (I think he has the FA, aiding through the roof), the 10c/d traversing pitch looked protectable... the roof, ooolala...

all sorts of shenanigans to inspect possibilities didn't pan out (no inspection) but were great adventures none-the-less
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Nov 20, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
Actually Eddie, that was a Vandiver pitch. And yeah, Vandiver loved running stuff out. Perhaps more than anyone else. He continued to 3rd class stuff even past the year 2000 around the age of fifty.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 20, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
It's cool, we're going back, en Masse! Dr Ed is leading the sissy face climbing! I've got a pair of Robbins boots that are his side in.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 21, 2013 - 01:18am PT
skip the Robbins boots Jaybro, I'll lead in my Legends...

and we've got to get Marty(r) in on this too...
Daphne

Trad climber
Northern California
Nov 21, 2013 - 01:23am PT
I, as before, offer to provide the beverages should this blessed event take place. Kombucha all around! Place your orders :)
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 21, 2013 - 01:31am PT
Ginger chia over here!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 21, 2013 - 01:47am PT
The approach pitch is pretty run out and a bolt may have fallen out.


Now this is the type of beta I like to see in the guide!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jun 14, 2015 - 09:51am PT
awesome news Walleye!
and big props to Chase.

Looking forward to reading the story, some place, some time, and seeing your images.
batguano

climber
Jun 14, 2015 - 10:59am PT
Strong work!
WBraun

climber
Jun 14, 2015 - 11:05am PT
My error for the photo uploading reads http error1:0:
Anybody know what that means?


Means you're a stoopid American just like me .. :-)

Try and converting your image to .jpg?
WBraun

climber
Jun 14, 2015 - 11:30am PT
Hahaha LOL .....

yeah send them to me and I'll see if I can upload them.
WBraun

climber
Jun 14, 2015 - 12:30pm PT




hobo_dan

Social climber
Minnesota
Jun 14, 2015 - 12:36pm PT
proud
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Jun 14, 2015 - 12:45pm PT
Yeah
marty(r)

climber
beneath the valley of ultravegans
Jun 14, 2015 - 01:08pm PT
Like Public Enemy said, "Goddamn, that is the dope jam!"
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jun 14, 2015 - 01:33pm PT
Oh, it's a bandana route! I knew we forgot something, Ed & Marty!

Nice work men, looks killer!
Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Jun 14, 2015 - 02:09pm PT
Evans would have a field day with the clothing color choice for this ascent.
Daphne

Trad climber
Northern California
Jun 14, 2015 - 02:17pm PT
Woohoo! Great job! Wish I'd been there to see it.
fosburg

climber
Jun 14, 2015 - 09:44pm PT
Bump for climbing
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Jun 14, 2015 - 10:06pm PT
Nice shots Russ! Looks like old school.

Bachar/Bard bump.
Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Jun 15, 2015 - 05:14am PT
Burly!
Looks like he styled it . . .
Thanks for posting those photos, wbraun!
dhayan

climber
los angeles, ca
Jun 15, 2015 - 08:06am PT
Wow, what an awesome sequence! masterful technique... thanks for sharing!
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jun 15, 2015 - 08:39am PT
Thanks for posting that up! Very cool sequence. Balls to the wall route.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jun 15, 2015 - 09:17am PT
Sweet!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jun 15, 2015 - 03:01pm PT
Ho, that first pic where he's in the roof! Can you say "insecure". Then, suddenly, facing the other way. Very sweet.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Jun 15, 2015 - 03:41pm PT
Now that's how the cool kids operate.
phylp

Trad climber
Upland, CA
Jun 15, 2015 - 06:38pm PT
Very cool climbing content!!!
Thanks for the excellent photos and congrats to the climbers.
fosburg

climber
Jun 15, 2015 - 07:44pm PT
Bump for Werner's great photos, truly inspiring!
Rollover

climber
Gross Vegas
Jun 15, 2015 - 08:18pm PT
Thank you for sharing your wonderful photos Walter!!
WBraun

climber
Jun 15, 2015 - 08:27pm PT
Werner's great photos

They're NOT mine.

They're Walleye's photos.

Read the credits please.

Walleye couldn't upload them so he sent them to me and I uploaded them for him.
WBraun

climber
Jun 15, 2015 - 08:48pm PT
They're mine NOW!!!

muahahahahaha

:-)

mastadon

Trad climber
crack addict
Jun 16, 2015 - 07:04am PT
You two guys just slay me!! Ha!

Dale was never my favorite person but I'll give him credit for being a bad-ass climber and VERY focused at everything he did.

Those pictures are impressive. It just shows you how really good the younger generation of climbers are.
matchez

climber
Salt Lake City, UT
Jun 16, 2015 - 12:12pm PT
yeeaaaah chase! yeeeaaaah cruz!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jun 16, 2015 - 01:34pm PT
... Chase and Cruise also swung leads on, and did, a no-falls ascent of The Bachar Yerian, last summer (2014).

Honestly, a no-falls ascents of the B-Y isn't that noteworthy. Well, not as noteworthy as the ascents with falls!

(And no, I'm not saying that it ain't proud!!! ;-)
Alexey

climber
San Jose, CA
Jun 16, 2015 - 04:05pm PT
thank you for posting your photos Werner. What camera did you use from so afar and having such a good resolution?
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Jun 17, 2015 - 05:36am PT
from the front page of this thread so that it is an easier read as to whats in the campfire


bachar

Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA

Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 10, 2008 - 01:19pm PT
Dale Bard freed this beast in 1982 in EB's at 5.12d with Harrington.

Does anybody know who's done this thing?

Thanks, JB


marty(r)

climber
beneath the valley of ultravegans

Jul 10, 2008 - 01:41pm PT
I'll see if I can dig up an old Epperson photo of it (Chad Shephard climbing?) He's using some pretty unorthodox wide technique. Walt Shipley may have done it (mention of it showed up in another thread.) Schneider? Not many, that's for sure


Jaybro

Social climber
wuz real!

Jul 10, 2008 - 01:45pm PT
Double face out armbars ( in the photo, I've never been up there, yet)


Mungeclimber

Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.

Jul 10, 2008 - 01:47pm PT
Jay, what in the heck is that?!?


mongrel

Trad climber
Truckee, CA

Jul 10, 2008 - 01:52pm PT
Regarding the brilliantly framed image by Epperson - the cramped frame conveying the climber's predicament perfectly - I understand that what followed immediately was a fall, so the fancy double arm bar is presumably not the way to go.


marty(r)

climber
beneath the valley of ultravegans

Jul 10, 2008 - 01:53pm PT
Here goes boys. Have at it!

It was buried deep in the "Homage to Roof Climbing" thread:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=197687&msg=198522#msg198522


darshahlu

Trad climber
Irvine, CA

Jul 10, 2008 - 02:02pm PT
that looks easy


Jaybro

Social climber
wuz real!

Jul 10, 2008 - 02:03pm PT
Okay, so it was a face in, attempt. Oh well.

As Schneider set to Walt (who had just suggested that very beta (guy never forgot anything he heard, I swear)) one memorable night, on the lodge slide show benches.

"Doubtful!"


Matt

Trad climber
primordial soup

Jul 10, 2008 - 02:10pm PT
is that up on the pywiak(sp?) headwall?

if so, i heard that was just a pose for a shoot as opposed to an effective technique for an ascent (let's be honest, lots of the climbing photos out there are either posed or re-enactment poses for photos).


Russ Walling

Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....

Jul 10, 2008 - 02:11pm PT
looks casual.


lemon_boy

climber

Jul 10, 2008 - 02:13pm PT
i have actually used the 'double chickenwing' technique on several overhanging (and quite a few not-overhanging) routes, and it actually works pretty good. you set one wing, and then shuffle the other a small bit, slowly working them back and forth. in particular, it is pretty good in flares as they can conform to your arm dimensions a bit better than parallel cracks.


The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jul 10, 2008 - 02:14pm PT
That double armlock sh#t is the same way the crux of The Lizard King is done, only that's 11c. Only time I've ever had to do it...


Jaybro

Social climber
wuz real!

Jul 10, 2008 - 02:27pm PT
I'll send Shanti.

I did no dble armbars on Lizard King, but maybe I should have-Mebbe on New Maps of Hell, too!


Walleye

climber
Under the dwarf maples near The Same Mansion

Jul 10, 2008 - 02:37pm PT
Oh yeah, that looks extra fun....


Bovine

Trad climber
USA

Jul 10, 2008 - 04:41pm PT
If Chad did not get it clean on that go in the photo, What about his partner that day, Sean Kriletich‎? I can't remember if either one of them sent...


The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jul 10, 2008 - 05:12pm PT
Jaybro -

Only twisted f#ks do that route- dble arm locks or whatever.


tr4

climber
Jah Meadows,ynp,ca

Jul 10, 2008 - 05:34pm PT
Yeah I do remember in 2002 or 03 those guys going up there, Chad and Sean. I think Oliver the beast from Canada went up a few years ago too.


Raydog

Trad climber
Boulder Colorado

Jul 10, 2008 - 08:05pm PT
yeah, that thing looks light - uh huh...

(holy sh*t)


bob

climber

Jul 11, 2008 - 10:38am PT
Nope, no send for the boys in 2003. Looked hard as I stared up at them from below nursing my monstrous hangover. Bad enough that I still remember it. Looks quite engaging for sure. Definitely no problem for folks to take the whippers thats for sure. Sounds like a fixed nut was the lucky piece. Never got up there and tried it myself. Did the approach pitch when doing Soft White Underbelly. No pro! You thinking of getting up there John?
Bob J.


CF

climber

Jul 11, 2008 - 11:42am PT
I worked on this with Vern Clevenger back in the 70's and the crossed arm bars are pretty much the only thing that works as there is no crack in the back. Vern almost got it one day as he had the fist jam but then fell. The approach pitch is pretty run out and a bolt may have fallen out.
Messages 1 - 20 of total 99 in this topic
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jun 17, 2015 - 09:00pm PT
That Chase guy comes from good genetics...What did you expect...?
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 17, 2015 - 12:36pm PT
very cool!
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Oct 17, 2015 - 12:59pm PT
That looks WILD!
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 17, 2015 - 01:04pm PT
Great sequence Walleye
overwatch

climber
Oct 17, 2015 - 01:07pm PT
Great shots! That looks strenuous. How hard is that traverse before the roof?
I would like to see the shot between the chicken wings and the hand jam.
overwatch

climber
Oct 17, 2015 - 01:26pm PT
Way cool, thanks for adding those shots!
martygarrison

Trad climber
Washington DC
Oct 17, 2015 - 02:31pm PT
Every once and a while Supertopo has some worth while content. This is one of those times. Outstanding!
Willoughby

Social climber
Truckee, CA
Oct 18, 2015 - 10:19am PT
Sweet!!
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
May 29, 2016 - 06:49pm PT
This is excellent!!! Great thread! Great shots!!!!!!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 29, 2016 - 07:31pm PT
Nice pics, Walleye. Props to those studs that sent that too. Brutal looking.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Sep 5, 2017 - 06:58pm PT
I doubt it...
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Sep 5, 2017 - 07:09pm PT
I haven't heard anything, but I'm not that connected...

ionlyski

Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
Sep 5, 2017 - 10:01pm PT
Such a cool looking line. Which traverse is 10d the first or second? How hard is the rest of the climbing except for the crux?
WBraun

climber
Sep 5, 2017 - 10:04pm PT
Insects do it all the time without ropes or any gear.

Gross materialists will all become insects in their next lives after trying this .....
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jul 21, 2018 - 06:46pm PT
more badassness bump

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