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'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber

like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?

Jan 21, 2005 - 01:42pm PT

Donny, what you read above may or may not be true. It is probably partly true, but it is still only one side of the story, and there are two sides to every story like this.

To me, it is incredibly unsportsmanlike to diss your partner in a public forum. These are things that might often better be discussed privately.

Gunkie

climber

I don't get mad, I get stabby -- Fat Tony

Jan 21, 2005 - 01:47pm PT

museman-

I guess the question is: Did you climb with John Butler after Watkins?

I had one partner that I really like as a person, but do not trust him enough to climb with after a few 'sketchy' events during our climbing history. And he has a pretty good Yosemite wall CV. Personally, I think he's lucky to be alive and to not have killed someone else. I'm saying this not as a perfectionist, but as someone who has made a considerable number of mistakes and has learned from all of them... I think.

museman

Big Wall climber

Poway, Ca

Jan 21, 2005 - 01:59pm PT

PTPP- I feel bad writing about John that way,man! But his TR wasn't as rosey as it sounds. BTW everybody disses you!

Gunkie- I did do one more route with him just to make sure it wasn't me. Moonlight Buttress,Zion. It wasn't me! He's a good person...Eric Beck was his room mate and he seemed to talk the talk, but didn't really walk the walk.

clustiere

Trad climber

running springs, ca

Apr 5, 2005 - 07:27am PT

I hate Butler! ERRRRRRGGHHH

Nkane

Trad climber

San Francisco, USA

Feb 26, 2016 - 04:02pm PT

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