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Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Oct 22, 2014 - 08:21pm PT
Base104, I already challenged you earlier,
to find an El Cap route besides the Muir that was freed ground up.
So you go first. :-)

Then maybe you can explain to me how your suggestion to rap bolt
slabs which you think do not have stances is related to how free routes
were done on El Cap which is not much of a slab.

The conflict of where and how bolts should be placed is ongoing.
Within ourselves, often.
This conflict did not disappear when rap bolting became accepted in
some areas in the US.

Social climber
An Oil Field
Oct 23, 2014 - 09:31am PT

You are the de facto historian of the valley, or at least you seem like it. I assume that you, if anyone, would know the particulars of El Cap free routes. You would know which free wall routes were worked, even to a small degree, from the top down.

I really don't want to get into a pissing match with you, but since you seem to hold opinions as well as history, when exactly is it OK to add a bolt either on aid or top down swinging around piecing together a route?

Social climber
Oct 23, 2014 - 09:34am PT
I really don't want to get into a pissing match with you...

... but I will anyway because we need rules, dammit! HOW CAN WE CLIMB WITHOUT RULES?

Trad climber
Upland, CA
May 12, 2016 - 11:23am PT
Hall of Mirrors
Hall of Mirrors
Credit: phylp

Since I was in it last month, I though it would be worth posting this photo of the original Hall of Mirrors to this thread.
It's located in the Palazzo Reale in Genova.
Quite a nice palace, actually.

Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
May 12, 2016 - 11:53am PT
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
May 12, 2016 - 02:20pm PT
I thought the Hall of Mirrors led up to Louis XIV's throne in the palace of the Sun King at Versailles?

Social climber
Oakland, CA
May 12, 2016 - 03:48pm PT
Bruce is correct. The famous hall of mirrors is in Versailles.

Trad climber
Upland, CA
May 12, 2016 - 03:49pm PT
You are right, Bruce, but since I don't have a picture of myself there, I posted that one.

Versailles was mostly built between 1638-1715, the Palazzo Reale between 1643-1655. Apparently, mirrored rooms were popular as a demonstration of wealth:

"In the 17th century, mirrors were among the most expensive items to possess at the time; the Venetian Republic held the monopoly on the manufacture of mirrors. In order to maintain the integrity of his philosophy of mercantilism, which required that all items used in the decoration of Versailles be made in France, Jean-Baptiste Colbert enticed several workers from Venice to make mirrors at the Manufacture royale de glaces de miroirs. According to legend, in order to keep its monopoly, the government of the Venetian Republic sent agents to France to poison the workers whom Colbert had brought to France.[7]"

But bringing the topic back to climbing - People who have never climbed on Yosemite glacial polish probably cannot imagine how insanely slippery it can be. That sickening squeaking sound the rubber makes if you stray onto the glass. I haven't climbed on the Apron in a while, but I don't remember the polish there as being as bad as on some of the walls in the Meadows. What do you think?
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