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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2008 - 05:24pm PT
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Bump to Theron and moof.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Sep 10, 2008 - 11:06pm PT
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Are they ever gonna be sold again????
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Moof
Big Wall climber
A cube at my soul sucking job in Oregon
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Sep 11, 2008 - 12:38am PT
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If Theron doesn't come through, I'll fire up for another batch of my Ghetto cuffs this winter. But if he's got some cool sh#t coming, I can't wait to buy a pair for myself! Cool beans!
Anyone want to buy a used industrial sewing machine?
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Moof
Big Wall climber
A cube at my soul sucking job in Oregon
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Sep 11, 2008 - 12:58am PT
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Here is what I'm using for aid trees these days. Rings are SMC aluminum rap rings, so they are rigid and light (and don't ovalized like Russ's did on me):
Cost is prohibitive to make these, as the rings along run me about $60 (18 rings). These are ala the "pro russian aiders" that Pete drones on about. I added the extra bit of tacking below the ring to encourage the rings to stick straight out, which indeed makes hooking a lot easier in cramped spaces. There are rubber inserts similar to some quickdraws to keep the rings from simply spinning and drooping. If I had them to do again I'd orient all the rings on the same side, so that they'd stick out from the wall, and not stick out to either side. YMMV.
Just a reminder, there are instructions with pictures to make your own Ghetto aid cuffs written up over at bigwalls.com. The aid trees really should not necessitate plans. Frankly, for the price, get Russ's aid trees. They work plenty well, and at $25 a pieces they are a steal.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 14, 2009 - 01:51pm PT
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Hey y'all,
Just got down off the wall, and wanted to tell you about Theron's awesome Russian Aider cuffs - Holy Moses, are they fantastic!
I will take some pictures of them, to show you what a superb design they are, and how well they work. A couple small fine tunings, and they will be the best ever made.
Truly superb craftsmanship from Theron Moses - just like everything he makes!
Cheers,
Pete
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Moof
Big Wall climber
A cube at my soul sucking job in Oregon
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Jun 14, 2009 - 08:04pm PT
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So what's the ETA on these bad boys? Inquiring minds want to know!
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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
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Jun 14, 2009 - 08:40pm PT
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As an aside to the RA story here... the rings for the Aid Trees are in limited supply. These are the titanium rings from Trango. When they are gone, FISH will be making no more trees. I don't really know how many sets are left... but it is not a whole heck of a lot. So, if you want trees, order up sooner rather than later.
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Paulina
Trad climber
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Jun 14, 2009 - 11:58pm PT
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Russ, why did you decide to not make the trees anymore, and to never make the (Russian) aiders?
Btw, I use the trees I bought from you a while ago and love them.
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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
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Jun 15, 2009 - 12:08am PT
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Russ, why did you decide to not make the trees anymore, and to never make the (Russian) aiders?
Not making the trees because I'm going to run out of rings and there is too little interest to try and source new rings or reinvent the wheel.
Never made the cuffs because the Russian guys wanted way too much for the hooks, and the market was too small for me have hooks made. I've always contended that there was about a dozen guys in the US interested in these.... the market is just too small even for a small market guy like me.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 15, 2009 - 09:51pm PT
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Russ' trees and Moses' cuffs are the bomb! Theron - Leo was quite impressed and wants to get a pair off you, eh?
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 18, 2009 - 02:04am PT
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The logarithmic design of the aid trees is interesting. I can't tell if there are pairs of rings or single rings. The Better Way is to hang two trees from each aider, each having only a single ring. This will be the way of the future.
Unfortunately, this design is very poor:
If you refer to my comments regarding Moof's first design, the problem with this design is that it is constructed of circles and lines, instead of a triangle. You don't get the stability you get with a proper triangular design, and more significantly, the circle will squish the snot out of your foot.
Moof has since amended his design to something that should work OK, although I have yet to try it for the simple reason that Theron's Holy Moses Russian Aider cuffs are so good! But it might not be a bad idea to grab some of those Russian aid trees, as Russ has already indicated his supply is finite. I found that the stitching and rings on the Trango aid trees started to blow out after two or three hundred pitches, so if you plan to use them a lot, a backup set might be in order.
Cheers for the beta, Adnix!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jun 18, 2009 - 04:45am PT
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Love that Russkie aid vest.
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mkporwit
Mountain climber
Bellevue, WA
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Jun 30, 2009 - 01:31am PT
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So if Theron's russian aider cuffs are so awesome, where can someone get a set? I seem to only be able to find his hangers and pitons when I go looking...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Jun 30, 2009 - 02:00am PT
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Got yur Russkie funk right here, start yur bidding!
The ever popular Mini Jug
The whole pirogi set...
And straight from the Gulag...
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jun 30, 2009 - 02:52am PT
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Note the ladders with logarithmic rings! Superb design!
Indeed, the variable ring spacing looks very ergonomic, and superior. The only thing better would be to have adjustable rings on mini-jumars, or something, to provide a continuous range of ring placement.
As an inane aside, there is a deep groove in my brain (etched by too many math classes) that leads me to ask:
Isn't that discrete ring spacing more like a Fibonacci series? Which, in the limit, does conform to a continuous logarithmic function?
And straight from the Gulag...
I've always wondered how those Gulag big wall climbers got over their big walls . . . nice rig.
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jfailing
Trad climber
Lone Pine
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Aug 12, 2009 - 08:59am PT
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Sooo...after reading this thread I know have a raging curious to try this out even though I am beyond a total big wall n00b...more than likely I will get regular aid ladders as well...but hey if the price is right I'd be more than willing to pick up a pair of these...
Point me in the right direction!
Thanks
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powderrush
Mountain climber
Back of My Truck, CA
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Aug 12, 2009 - 09:01am PT
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whoops...was logged in as my buddy/coworker...it was I not jfailing...who was asking!
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 12, 2009 - 09:18am PT
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"Point me in the right direction!"
Russ = Fish for aid trees, and Theron Moses for cuffs. You might have to use a pointy stick on Moses, but his design is superb.
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