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hossjulia
Trad climber
Eastside
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Nov 19, 2007 - 10:38pm PT
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Gotcha. And in many ways, in agreement.
(I have a horse too!)
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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Nov 19, 2007 - 10:47pm PT
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OK HEREZTHE DEEL IF I C UR DOG NOT PULL FORWARD ATTHE GAS PUMP OR IN A ELEVATER IF HE FARTS N I CNA SMELL IT OR IF HE SPILLS HIS COCACOLA AT A MOVIE THEATR AND I STEP IN IT AND IT STICKS MY FOOT TO THA FLOOR AND MAKES THAT TACKY NOISE THAN I AM GOING TO HAVE WESLEY SNIPES USE A THREE WOOD ON HIS KNEECAPS AND SING HIM AN ACAPELLA VERSION OF 'MESSAGE IN A BOTTLE' MADE FAMOUS BY THE POLICE!
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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Nov 19, 2007 - 10:48pm PT
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I think I made this thread make just a bit MORE sense.
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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Nov 19, 2007 - 10:51pm PT
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My name is Greg.
I have a Mangina.
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Darren D.
Social climber
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Nov 19, 2007 - 11:04pm PT
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Dogs v. Dog Haters is quickly becoming a controversial hot topic in American culture with the likes of Roe v. Wade (1973), Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka (1954), Bush v. Gore (2000) smelt it v. dealt it (2003). This can only be resolved in the supreme court where I am sure it will rapidly achieve precedent status.
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Nov 19, 2007 - 11:04pm PT
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Lame Bonehead,
"My dog hangs out in my climbing gym everyday, all day. Everybody loves her. If they don't too freakin bad. "
This is a mature and very intelligent response to this thread. It shows that you have considered the feeling of other climbers. Do You speak for all dog owners? Are they as smart as you? I hope so. It shows your priority and your ability to speak for everyone in your gym. It also shows why the southern Oregon crags are empty. Commas are a good thing to use when you write. If you use them incorrectly, or correctly, they can change the meaning of your sentences.
Cheers, (you must be an Anglophile) Jeff
P.S. If everybody loves her, how can some one not?
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beebuh
Big Wall climber
boulder
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Nov 19, 2007 - 11:06pm PT
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wes wrote above:
"You do realize you would be breaking the law by taking someone's personal property, right? At that point I would gladly bust your knee caps and call Jody to haul your ass away."
hey, wes. dogs are property. abandoned (loose) dogs are abandoned property. In the NPS, we patrons have a responsibility to clean up litter and abandoned property. That person would not be breaking a law.
"Threats against one's property and/or family are ill advised. You aren't always as anonymous as you think you are."
yep, so why did you threaten that person in your 2nd sentence?
LEB, if all dog owners were responsible like you, the world would be a better place! THANKS!
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 19, 2007 - 11:15pm PT
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Watusi: Having seen families of Bighorn many times in the monument I can see a lot in wanting to protect them...does this mean that climbers will stay away? I think not.
I don't think peoples the issue. Back in the good old days, a buddy and me used to fly fish up at the Narrows of the East Fork of the San Gabriel. Many a time I'd look up from a cast to see a herd of ewes crossing the river a 100 feet upstream of me. They'd always go about their business, and we'd do the same.
If it was shown that the presence of people harmed them, I'd be happy to climb elsewhere.
Lois, word is that the scent of dog, and/or dog urine will keep bighorns from water sources, even if the dog is long gone.
They are magnificent animals. Can't we afford to give them a break by keeping our dogs at the camground in Josh? Is that such a horrible thing?
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crøtch
climber
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Nov 19, 2007 - 11:18pm PT
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I used to think LEB was a real person until I read this:
Nobody is talking about letting the dogs run loose chasing after the bighorns. If the dog is on a leash how is it going to menace bighorns, anyway. Plus, to tell you the truth, Gary, a bighorn sheep is a bit much for your average-sized dog. Most of them could not handle anything like that.
Nice one, Dingus.
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The Alpine
Big Wall climber
Tampa, FL
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Nov 19, 2007 - 11:21pm PT
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I absolutely LOVE dogs! Have had a dog or two all my life. I NEVER take my dog to any frequented crag.
It has been my observations that most all dog owners at the crags are selfish and take the "not myyyyyy dog. My dog is perfect. My dog NEVER does anything wrong." attitude 99% of the time.
Whats that you say? Oh, you leave your dog leashed up. Thats swell. I can still hear your dog's god damn barking.
Sure there are dogs who behave beautifully at the crags(my dog), but not your dog.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Nov 19, 2007 - 11:38pm PT
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hey mark - at least we will know everyone, right ?
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the Fet
Knackered climber
A bivy sack in the secret campground
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Nov 20, 2007 - 01:19am PT
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Maybe if you had some drugs or hugs you wouldn't want to take an innocent dog and bring it to an undisclosed location to have it destroyed.
But the idea of taking a dog that is not being controlled and leaving at the local pound so the irresponsible owner can pay a fine has some merit.
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Anastasia
Trad climber
California
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Nov 20, 2007 - 03:02am PT
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Calm down...
Dog owners, be responsible. People who share sites with dog owners, please be fair.
Neither of you own the place, you need to be nice to each other and share it.
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Now if the dog owner deserves it, just report the law breaker to the rangers. Trust me, they love busting asses so you won't have to.
Now remember just one thing, you might be a bigger problem than the dog. You know who you are, drunk and yelling your head off at the wrong hours. Smoking pot, having an open canister while driving, etc. If you go reporting about broken laws, you better be following those same laws. You can't demand people to be better than you...
(Never be a hypercritical for doing that will always get your ass kicked.)
As for dog owners,if you care about rufus, then please keep your mutts on a leash. Dogs roaming in national parks are coyote food. I don't care how big your dog is, it doesn't have a chance against a pack.
Yes! Coyote packs hunt both at day and night, they also love to eat dogs... Plus there are thousands of other hazards; rattle snakes, poisonous plants, old mining shafts, getting taken by a climber, etc.
If you care about your pet you would never let it roam, ever.
AF
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Pennsylenvy
Gym climber
Fannie's Crack
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Nov 20, 2007 - 03:16am PT
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Wow hugs, are you trolling us? Or do you have that pathetic a life like for real and all. I'm no fan of inappropriate/disrespectful dog owners but you and the other dog haters on this thread take it a bit too far. Glad I'm not you. Relax, chill out, take your meds, maybe stay home so the world won't pi$$ you off.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 20, 2007 - 03:38am PT
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What would really solve the particular problem would be to have the feds relocate a community of just-off-the-boat Koreans to Jtree.
Remember, "Eat a dog, save a crag, and a sheep!"
And it's not dog haters vs dogs.
How typical of the Frequently Idiotic Dog Owners (FIDO) to make such an obvious straw man argument.
It's STUPID, ARROGANT, SELFISH DOG OWNERS vs EVERYBODY ELSE.
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beebuh
Big Wall climber
boulder
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Nov 20, 2007 - 08:23am PT
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Rokjox, if you harm someone over "property", you will be charged with battery / assault, and liable for civil damages such as medical bills. SO, be careful and choose your battles wisely. Within the NPS system, these would be federal charges, and you'd go to federal PMITA* prison.
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ecs3n2fqq4
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 20, 2007 - 10:33am PT
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Hugs not drugs is a big meanie who probably doesn't shave her armpits.
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goatboy smellz
climber
colorado
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Nov 20, 2007 - 10:48am PT
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Anastasia for the win.
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hugs-not-drugs
climber
hugs not drugs
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2007 - 10:56am PT
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Got some good news this morning! Clark County has two pounds that don't have hand-held microchip scanners. Lost dogs can be found in Clark County.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Nov 20, 2007 - 11:05am PT
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Teddy Sez: "Kiss My Butt, HND!"
And: You Wanna Play Dirty? I'm Game...."
And: "Oh Jeez....Someone Woke Up On The Wrong Side of the Bed. Again. HND - Chill Out! You'll Give Yourself an Ulcer."
"Does This Look Like the Face of a Criminal, I Ask?"
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