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hugs-not-drugs
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hugs not drugs
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 19, 2007 - 08:49pm PT
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The majority of the posts made in the “Joshua Tree Dogs” thread, the posts that were written by dog owners were in support of this skewed, narcissistic belief:
I own a dog. If I choose to bring MY dog into a prohibited area, that’s MY business. If you have a problem with that, approach me, politely, and tell me what my dog is doing that bothers you, and I may comply. If my dog has disturbed your peace or destroyed your property, well you should have just focused on climbing and protecting your things. If you have a problem with my dog, you can always leave. Chances are, I won’t get caught, so it’s worth risking the violation.
Well guess what?
I will simply entice or coerce your dog into my truck and drive it to an undisclosed pound…I'll tell them I found it wandering around in the Mojave desert…Think I’m kidding?
Peace and Love in Joshua Tree,
Hugs not Drugs
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Nov 19, 2007 - 09:08pm PT
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If a dog is struck by a vehicle and the driver leaves, the driver if/when caught will receive a hit and run citation--as dogs are considered "personal property" in the eyes of the law.
An unleashed dog in a National Park struck by a vehicle will get the owner of the pet a citation for having a dog unleashed in a NP--keep on bringing those "road targets" into the park, so that your ass can be fined AND your pet is dead, thanks to YOUR irresponsibility.
Have a nice day.
Cats are considered "free roaming" animals and do not fall under this law.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Nov 19, 2007 - 09:21pm PT
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ya know, as long as your dog doesn't eat my food out of my pack while i'm two pitches up (yeah...) or sh#t and you not bag and pack it out, i got no problem with the dog being there...
besides, one knee to the throat usually drops em pretty quick if they get in your face...
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Nov 19, 2007 - 09:28pm PT
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I always wanted to have Teddy get service-dog certified, as one of those dogs who goes to hospitals, old folks homes, etc., to help people out. When he was a pup, I knew I had to wait for him to mellow out a bit, but now he's at the age that he would be able to do the job well. I do need to get him to Stay/Come on command though(he will do them when he understands it's necessary, but not just because I ask him to.....smartypants).
He already does the "love dog" job informally, but it would be nice to have him get certified.
Then.... not only could he stroll around in any National Park he/I wanted, but I could take him to the movies with me.
You think I'm kidding?
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hugs-not-drugs
climber
hugs not drugs
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2007 - 09:29pm PT
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Thanks for the tip, I'll revise my plan of action...
I will relocate your dog to an undisclosed area of the Greater Mojave Desert. Think I'm kidding?
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Lost Arrow
Trad climber
The North Ridge of the San Fernando
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Nov 19, 2007 - 09:37pm PT
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Why take the dog to the pound, you probally could get some good money for it selling it to a University.
Lost
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beebuh
Big Wall climber
boulder
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Nov 19, 2007 - 09:41pm PT
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happie
nps and businesses consider service dogs to be seeing eye and hearing dogs, and they need certification. =[
in fact, it gets abused so much now, they are thinking of making service dogs be nationally registered.
keep your mutt at home, he does not belong at the movies. or in national parks.
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Nov 19, 2007 - 09:42pm PT
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I had free reign of the monument for decades and always had my dogs with me! No one ever saw me as I was in places that no one knew about. Now with all the nOObs, I'm gone and will take my pups elsewhere...Good luck coercing this one however!
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hugs-not-drugs
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hugs not drugs
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2007 - 09:44pm PT
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Well, calling me a pussy, being that I'm female, is very confusing...does it mean that I'm not man enough to give my name on a post? I don't want to give my name, when I intend to relocate dogs...I think I will "put them to sleep" in a very humane way too...that way they won't repeat offend, or disturb nature. The buzzards can benefit, and so the circle of life continues...
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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Nov 19, 2007 - 09:45pm PT
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My dog hangs out in my climbing gym everyday, all day. Everybody loves her. If they don't too freakin bad.
And yes she comes to the crags too, but here in So Oregon there is never anyone at the crags anyway, and if there is they already know my dog.
Cheers
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Lost Arrow
Trad climber
The North Ridge of the San Fernando
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Nov 19, 2007 - 09:49pm PT
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Anyone else ever use a Dog for Offwidth pro? They work way better than cats.
Lost
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hugs-not-drugs
climber
hugs not drugs
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2007 - 09:53pm PT
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Why, I feel like my wonderful life is just about to get richer...for I've come to the conclusion that when dog owners willingly violate the rules...all bets of fairness and justice are off, narcissists need strong feedback to get the message.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 19, 2007 - 09:56pm PT
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LEB: There is something wrong with a system which seeks to protect people by banning all dogs...
Lois, dogs are barred from trails and backcountry in Joshua Tree National Park because they stress the bighorns. Those bighorns are hanging on by the skin of their teeth. Can't we give them a break in their own home?
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Handjam Belay
Gym climber
expat from the truth
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Nov 19, 2007 - 09:56pm PT
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I rescued a 150lb dog out of a chimney 300 feet down from the rim of the Black Canyon. Dog wedged in chimney lock a stopper
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Risk
Mountain climber
Minkler, CA
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Nov 19, 2007 - 10:06pm PT
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So, you are a Vigilante? Really impressive. I have a dog but never bring him to a prohibited area, and I too despise it when dogs are there, particularly national parks. I didn’t go there to pet or see any dogs. So, I understand your frustration, but you should stay out of the business of the police unless your are signed up as such. Otherwise, you may find yourself in the pound too (or worse). Your arrogant stance threatening outright kidnapping does zero to these violators but humor them or enrage them more against “dog haters.” Get a real job away from the park if this angers you so much. It is really not that big of a deal.
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rwedgee
Ice climber
canyon country,CA
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Nov 19, 2007 - 10:06pm PT
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If you're going to relocate them then take the dog to Korea Town. Heck, they'll even pay you for it! The place is called "Wok-in The Dog"
Even at JTree Sushifest someone brought what looked like a pitbull(dark brown/black) that immediately peed on the bands amp, then attacked Natures dog. I'm sure he was just playing. "He never does that". Dogs will be dogs.
PS Drugs lead to hugs. I am not kidding!!
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Nov 19, 2007 - 10:09pm PT
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Dawgs are a huge part of my family. I'm pretty mellow now that I'm older, I used to mess up 2 to 5 people a week. Don't mess with a mans family, I could really use some stress relief.... Hey Hide behind some phucking Huggy thread name and threaten good folks dawgs, I'll see you in hell, I've already got a condo reserved.
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hossjulia
Trad climber
Eastside
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Nov 19, 2007 - 10:22pm PT
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Here's the deal, anti-dog people. Dogs have been with man from the beginning of time! That's right, archaeologists have found dog remains just about everywhere they find human remains. Dogs are not descendant from wolves or anything else, they are their own line, seemingly always with man. (Controversial view, I know)
That being said, there are instances, like today, that I would consider doing what the OP said they would do, take dog to pound as a stray. Young German Shepard, always in a kennel, making me sick and sad that he would be treated that way. Well this morning, he somehow escaped, I saw him running the neighborhood, and cheered him on with a smile on my face. 2 hours later, he was back in his kennel. If this keeps up, I may just "disappear" him to a more loving place.
The creatures on this planet are our relations people.
I maintain that the biggest thing going wrong with society is this moving away from our relations. We are not alone! There are many other sentient beings on this planet besides us! HELLO!
If we treated our dogs like citizens instead of fluffy play things to stroke our egos, things would be so much different. Most people do not give their animals the credit they deserve. Just because they can't talk or don't have opposable thumbs does not mean they are brainless.
My dog goes almost everywhere with me. When I go climbing in a NP, he stays in the truck. It boils my blood to do so sometimes, but in the sake of not giving climbers any more of a bad rap with the NPS, I comply. Consequently, I have done very little hiking in YNP, 2 miles up the road.
I keep him out of the Sierra Nevada bighorn areas, he's big and dark, easy for them to spot from a distance. And living at TPR, that was no small feat! No Warren Canyon, no Dana Plateau, no Tioga Crest.
I have also raised him to be a citizen.He does not pee on tires, or anything man made. (Seriously!)He usually poops off trail. I can have him poop on command at the car if need be before setting out too. He does not step on gear, or ropes, and stays out from underfoot. Shoot, he gets up and moves when someone yells "Rope!" And I did not teach him that, and he has not had a rope dropped on him either.
He hates to fight, leaves people alone unless they call him to them and is a great bear dog.
In fact, I don't know what I am going to do without him when he is gone.
He's also my personal bodyguard and best friend. When I traveled to Spain without him, it was a shock to be traveling ALONE.
If you want to mentally ill, don't care for animals.
It's only been in past 100 years or so that people have stopped living side by side with and working with animals.
I have a plan for allowing dogs in national parks. I ran it by someone from Tuolumne, can't remember her name, and she thought it might fly. Problem is, I don't have enough faith in People to be honest enough not to screw the system, so I have not written it up and submitted it to the NPS.
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Nov 19, 2007 - 10:23pm PT
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Gary: Lois, dogs are barred from trails and backcountry in Joshua Tree National Park because they stress the bighorns. Those bighorns are hanging on by the skin of their teeth. Can't we give them a break in their own home?
Having seen families of Bighorn many times in the monument I can see a lot in wanting to protect them...does this mean that climbers will stay away? I think not.
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hugs-not-drugs
climber
hugs not drugs
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2007 - 10:36pm PT
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I have a horse, 3 dogs and a cat. This is about dog owners who choose to break the rules, and expect others to adjust to that...well I'm adjusting. Don't like it, then don't do it.
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hossjulia
Trad climber
Eastside
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Nov 19, 2007 - 10:38pm PT
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Gotcha. And in many ways, in agreement.
(I have a horse too!)
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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Nov 19, 2007 - 10:47pm PT
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OK HEREZTHE DEEL IF I C UR DOG NOT PULL FORWARD ATTHE GAS PUMP OR IN A ELEVATER IF HE FARTS N I CNA SMELL IT OR IF HE SPILLS HIS COCACOLA AT A MOVIE THEATR AND I STEP IN IT AND IT STICKS MY FOOT TO THA FLOOR AND MAKES THAT TACKY NOISE THAN I AM GOING TO HAVE WESLEY SNIPES USE A THREE WOOD ON HIS KNEECAPS AND SING HIM AN ACAPELLA VERSION OF 'MESSAGE IN A BOTTLE' MADE FAMOUS BY THE POLICE!
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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Nov 19, 2007 - 10:48pm PT
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I think I made this thread make just a bit MORE sense.
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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Nov 19, 2007 - 10:51pm PT
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My name is Greg.
I have a Mangina.
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Darren D.
Social climber
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Nov 19, 2007 - 11:04pm PT
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Dogs v. Dog Haters is quickly becoming a controversial hot topic in American culture with the likes of Roe v. Wade (1973), Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka (1954), Bush v. Gore (2000) smelt it v. dealt it (2003). This can only be resolved in the supreme court where I am sure it will rapidly achieve precedent status.
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Nov 19, 2007 - 11:04pm PT
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Lame Bonehead,
"My dog hangs out in my climbing gym everyday, all day. Everybody loves her. If they don't too freakin bad. "
This is a mature and very intelligent response to this thread. It shows that you have considered the feeling of other climbers. Do You speak for all dog owners? Are they as smart as you? I hope so. It shows your priority and your ability to speak for everyone in your gym. It also shows why the southern Oregon crags are empty. Commas are a good thing to use when you write. If you use them incorrectly, or correctly, they can change the meaning of your sentences.
Cheers, (you must be an Anglophile) Jeff
P.S. If everybody loves her, how can some one not?
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beebuh
Big Wall climber
boulder
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Nov 19, 2007 - 11:06pm PT
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wes wrote above:
"You do realize you would be breaking the law by taking someone's personal property, right? At that point I would gladly bust your knee caps and call Jody to haul your ass away."
hey, wes. dogs are property. abandoned (loose) dogs are abandoned property. In the NPS, we patrons have a responsibility to clean up litter and abandoned property. That person would not be breaking a law.
"Threats against one's property and/or family are ill advised. You aren't always as anonymous as you think you are."
yep, so why did you threaten that person in your 2nd sentence?
LEB, if all dog owners were responsible like you, the world would be a better place! THANKS!
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 19, 2007 - 11:15pm PT
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Watusi: Having seen families of Bighorn many times in the monument I can see a lot in wanting to protect them...does this mean that climbers will stay away? I think not.
I don't think peoples the issue. Back in the good old days, a buddy and me used to fly fish up at the Narrows of the East Fork of the San Gabriel. Many a time I'd look up from a cast to see a herd of ewes crossing the river a 100 feet upstream of me. They'd always go about their business, and we'd do the same.
If it was shown that the presence of people harmed them, I'd be happy to climb elsewhere.
Lois, word is that the scent of dog, and/or dog urine will keep bighorns from water sources, even if the dog is long gone.
They are magnificent animals. Can't we afford to give them a break by keeping our dogs at the camground in Josh? Is that such a horrible thing?
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crøtch
climber
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Nov 19, 2007 - 11:18pm PT
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I used to think LEB was a real person until I read this:
Nobody is talking about letting the dogs run loose chasing after the bighorns. If the dog is on a leash how is it going to menace bighorns, anyway. Plus, to tell you the truth, Gary, a bighorn sheep is a bit much for your average-sized dog. Most of them could not handle anything like that.
Nice one, Dingus.
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The Alpine
Big Wall climber
Tampa, FL
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Nov 19, 2007 - 11:21pm PT
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I absolutely LOVE dogs! Have had a dog or two all my life. I NEVER take my dog to any frequented crag.
It has been my observations that most all dog owners at the crags are selfish and take the "not myyyyyy dog. My dog is perfect. My dog NEVER does anything wrong." attitude 99% of the time.
Whats that you say? Oh, you leave your dog leashed up. Thats swell. I can still hear your dog's god damn barking.
Sure there are dogs who behave beautifully at the crags(my dog), but not your dog.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Nov 19, 2007 - 11:38pm PT
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hey mark - at least we will know everyone, right ?
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the Fet
Knackered climber
A bivy sack in the secret campground
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Nov 20, 2007 - 01:19am PT
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Maybe if you had some drugs or hugs you wouldn't want to take an innocent dog and bring it to an undisclosed location to have it destroyed.
But the idea of taking a dog that is not being controlled and leaving at the local pound so the irresponsible owner can pay a fine has some merit.
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Anastasia
Trad climber
California
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Nov 20, 2007 - 03:02am PT
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Calm down...
Dog owners, be responsible. People who share sites with dog owners, please be fair.
Neither of you own the place, you need to be nice to each other and share it.
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Now if the dog owner deserves it, just report the law breaker to the rangers. Trust me, they love busting asses so you won't have to.
Now remember just one thing, you might be a bigger problem than the dog. You know who you are, drunk and yelling your head off at the wrong hours. Smoking pot, having an open canister while driving, etc. If you go reporting about broken laws, you better be following those same laws. You can't demand people to be better than you...
(Never be a hypercritical for doing that will always get your ass kicked.)
As for dog owners,if you care about rufus, then please keep your mutts on a leash. Dogs roaming in national parks are coyote food. I don't care how big your dog is, it doesn't have a chance against a pack.
Yes! Coyote packs hunt both at day and night, they also love to eat dogs... Plus there are thousands of other hazards; rattle snakes, poisonous plants, old mining shafts, getting taken by a climber, etc.
If you care about your pet you would never let it roam, ever.
AF
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Pennsylenvy
Gym climber
Fannie's Crack
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Nov 20, 2007 - 03:16am PT
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Wow hugs, are you trolling us? Or do you have that pathetic a life like for real and all. I'm no fan of inappropriate/disrespectful dog owners but you and the other dog haters on this thread take it a bit too far. Glad I'm not you. Relax, chill out, take your meds, maybe stay home so the world won't pi$$ you off.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 20, 2007 - 03:38am PT
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What would really solve the particular problem would be to have the feds relocate a community of just-off-the-boat Koreans to Jtree.
Remember, "Eat a dog, save a crag, and a sheep!"
And it's not dog haters vs dogs.
How typical of the Frequently Idiotic Dog Owners (FIDO) to make such an obvious straw man argument.
It's STUPID, ARROGANT, SELFISH DOG OWNERS vs EVERYBODY ELSE.
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beebuh
Big Wall climber
boulder
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Nov 20, 2007 - 08:23am PT
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Rokjox, if you harm someone over "property", you will be charged with battery / assault, and liable for civil damages such as medical bills. SO, be careful and choose your battles wisely. Within the NPS system, these would be federal charges, and you'd go to federal PMITA* prison.
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ecs3n2fqq4
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 20, 2007 - 10:33am PT
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Hugs not drugs is a big meanie who probably doesn't shave her armpits.
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goatboy smellz
climber
colorado
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Nov 20, 2007 - 10:48am PT
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Anastasia for the win.
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hugs-not-drugs
climber
hugs not drugs
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2007 - 10:56am PT
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Got some good news this morning! Clark County has two pounds that don't have hand-held microchip scanners. Lost dogs can be found in Clark County.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Nov 20, 2007 - 11:05am PT
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Teddy Sez: "Kiss My Butt, HND!"
And: You Wanna Play Dirty? I'm Game...."
And: "Oh Jeez....Someone Woke Up On The Wrong Side of the Bed. Again. HND - Chill Out! You'll Give Yourself an Ulcer."
"Does This Look Like the Face of a Criminal, I Ask?"
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the kid
Trad climber
fayetteville, wv
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Nov 20, 2007 - 11:29am PT
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wow there is a lot of anger here..
why can't we all just get along? Dog owners need to be responsible
but climbers need to do the same..
yelling when they blow the red point is no better than a dog barking..
taking a sh#t in the back country or crag no better than your dog doing the same..
pissing at the crag- you get my point...
maybe we should all be on leashes and never leave the trails and then we can just look out the window at the crags...
i have two dogs, and do my best to respect others when we are at the crag...i pick up their poo and make sure they stay on the leash when others are around.
Now the point here is we all need to share the crag. if Jtree does not allow dogs out, then i leave them in the car. if a place allows dogs i will bring mine and do my best to maintain low profile..
but when i hear talk about violence and anger when a dog is around then that must be code for "you have issues dude, chill out!"
if a dog ruins your day climbing then you need to not take climbing or your self so seriously....
Funny how our national parks allow/encourage 100' motor homes, commercialize every aspect of nature, pave our parks into oblivion and then worry about some dogs off trail...
jtree, yosemite are not very pure any more and we all make impacts. when was the last time you picked up your poo or piss @ the crag?
ks
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kev
climber
CA
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Nov 20, 2007 - 12:07pm PT
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So what if I get a gri-gri and teach my dog to belay. Then it wouldn't really be unattended (in the spirit of the law) would it? Certainly no one would screw with a belayer would they?
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beebuh
Big Wall climber
boulder
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Nov 20, 2007 - 12:39pm PT
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the kid said: " when was the last time you picked up your poo or piss @ the crag?"
pee: well, we all are guilty of peeing there.
poo: Wag bags are my/ your friend!
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Hard Rock
Trad climber
Montana
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Nov 20, 2007 - 03:09pm PT
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Enough of the anti dog stuff.
You think there is no cost.
There now is.
My dogs have found a lost hiker calling out for help in the Humbugs. My dogs have worn in the good biking and climbing trails people follow. My dogs have carried the ropes, gear, bolts, and water used to put up the new routes (especially after my partner broke a knee resulting in 5 operations).
Therefore, if you are going to do one of my routes or DB's in the Butte, Montana area - you have to have a dog along with you(see R Robbin's first ascent principle).
-KK
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Quaken
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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Nov 20, 2007 - 04:48pm PT
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If dogs are that much of a problem, wait till you see my kids out there. They will get in your way, get in your lunch, whine and fight and raise all kinds of hell.
Should we have climbing areas where kids are off limits?
What's it going to take to help you keep your consentration, your mojo flowing.
Should we stop the wind, maybe the direct sun on your route?
How about everybody just whisper while you are on the lead like in golf
Buck Up
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 20, 2007 - 06:33pm PT
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" So what if I get a gri-gri and teach my dog to belay. Then it wouldn't really be unattended (in the spirit of the law) would it? Certainly no one would screw with a belayer would they?"
All I can say is, you don't eat a dog like that all at once!
Eat a dog at the crag, save a sheep!
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beebuh
Big Wall climber
boulder
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Nov 20, 2007 - 07:11pm PT
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Quaken, i am surprised at the pride you exude regarding your bad parenting.
I bet you own/love dogs too. All the same, really.
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Nov 20, 2007 - 07:19pm PT
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You really think that this god awful influx of climbers haven't affected the Bighorn? Get real.
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Tahoe climber
Trad climber
a dark-green forester out west
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Nov 20, 2007 - 07:35pm PT
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Why is everyone tripping?
Just follow the rules.
To do otherwise endangers our access.
I love dogs, but they can hang out at home when I visit areas where they're not allowed.
And, I'm cool with going to crags where dogs are allowed and taking them.
I've been growled at. I've had my pack pissed on by a dog. Both suck, but let's face it people, it wasn't the end of the world.
Behave responsibly by following the rules. React responsibly when someone else doesn't quite live up to the standard you've set. Respect the crag.
-Aaron
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Nov 20, 2007 - 07:40pm PT
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I was at Stoney a while back on a Tue when the typical nancy sand baggers were doing their tricks. One of them had a pit bull and I went up to him and asked if he minded if I randomly killed his dog.
He had no sense of humor, but one has to think of the children these dogs kill.
If I find your pitbull at a crag I will also take it to the nearst pound. You think I AM KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Juan
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cleo
Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
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Nov 20, 2007 - 07:57pm PT
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ho boy, now locker is gonna start defending pitbulls...
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Nov 20, 2007 - 08:00pm PT
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Hard Rock, you know that your dogs are always welcome on any of our adventures--the kids like having them around.
RIP: Biner and Riley--the infamous dogs in the old Butte guide by Dwight.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 20, 2007 - 08:03pm PT
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Watusi: You really think that this god awful influx of climbers haven't affected the Bighorn? Get real.
Sure hope not. The San Gabriel herd doesn't seem bothered by people. Maybe the desert herds react differently.
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bler
Boulder climber
Alamo, CA
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Nov 20, 2007 - 08:13pm PT
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WOW, you missed the biggest nuicance of them all,
PEOPLE should not be allowed at crags !!! they are the biggest nuisance of them all;
shitting all over the place, leaving garbage, destroying the rock, ruining access for others!!!
mother f'ers should all rot in hell, if I see one of them wandering around lost, i'm going to beat their ass into the ground and have them for lunch!! and send their remains to the pound
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 20, 2007 - 08:18pm PT
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Are you kidding?
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Quaken
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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Nov 20, 2007 - 08:36pm PT
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Bzlabub,
It's not pride I'm putting out, it's honesty. It's part of my 'Honesty/Accountability/Transparency' quest to real Integrity. Sometimes the kids go Apeshi^ like when the phone rings or I'm 20' off the ground.
Parenting is a skill hard to master two weekends a month.
My dog (you were right) barks at the base and I don't take her where other people are going to be. She is much better trained than the kids. She will jump into freezing water to get a downed duck too!
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beebuh
Big Wall climber
boulder
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Nov 21, 2007 - 12:02am PT
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quaken,
"Parenting is a skill hard to master two weekends a month. "
excuses are like a**holes......
btw. its Beelzebub you were trying to spell
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beebuh
Big Wall climber
boulder
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Nov 21, 2007 - 12:49am PT
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"I have an issue with hiking trails and campsites that don't allow dogs. "
why?
i have an issue with not being able to smoke in restaurants (pack a day since i was 12), but i do not light up.
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beebuh
Big Wall climber
boulder
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Nov 21, 2007 - 01:10am PT
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leb/ dmt
"Dogs do not have to be a nuisance. If they are on a leash and don't bark they do not violate anyone's rights "
you are wrong. the presence of dogs is a visual and psychological nuisance and violates my right as a human to enjoy areas in which dogs are prohibited. they detract from our national parks and natures beauty. much in the same way as you would not like to see dirt bike races in HVCG or a NASCAR rally in yos valley.
btw: you will have to pry my cigs from my cold dead hands.
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beebuh
Big Wall climber
boulder
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Nov 21, 2007 - 01:23am PT
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humans are not dogs. so.....
i am 67. thats 55 years or 1 pack a day. (double nickels, dontcha know).
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
the only coast
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Nov 21, 2007 - 01:27am PT
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well, i am allergic to cigarrette smoke. and i think i'm allergic to pot smoke too, tho i've never cared to bring pot up with an MD. but if people want to smoke, it's their business, as long as it's in a place where i can step away from the smoke. but with rogue dogs, it's a toughie. however i really don't believe there's any situation that real communication can't help with, except for maybe saddam and george.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Nov 21, 2007 - 01:31am PT
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Lois, YOU don't smoke, and you're not a very pretty picture either, after all these years.
(couldn't help myself on the slow-meatball pitch)
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Nov 21, 2007 - 01:50am PT
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Lowist, you posted a pic on a thread, or was that just you blowing more smoke up our arses ?
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Nov 21, 2007 - 01:58am PT
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"several" you say ?
Links, please.
Perhaps a repost of anything besides your "wedding" photo.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Nov 21, 2007 - 02:03am PT
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SS, I for one, also think that you are fabulous. (don't tell realmojede).
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Nov 21, 2007 - 02:09am PT
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"I don't like posting a lot of photos about me.."--LEB
Yet you say that there are "several".
Nice try. Links, oh anonymous one.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Nov 21, 2007 - 02:14am PT
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Lowist, make it easy and repost/link, or I'm outta this room cause I don't go on "snipe hunts".
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Nov 21, 2007 - 02:21am PT
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My e-mail is valid, a CURRENT (w/in 5 years) photo will suffice--thanks, Lois.
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nita
climber
chica from chico
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Nov 21, 2007 - 02:23am PT
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Leb, I would like to see them. I personally love photos of people at all different stages/ages- of their lives.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Nov 21, 2007 - 02:38am PT
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Lois, sent out. Looking forward to it. Nite.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 21, 2007 - 04:23am PT
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LEB/DMT wrote:
"BTW, the photo was posted on my faculty website so you could have found it yourself if you looked for it."
SHAME on you Lois!! How dare you of all people castigate anyone for not bothering to look for something on their own!!!
OH the HUMANITY!!
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 21, 2007 - 04:30am PT
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SS, not that you would ever listen to good advice, but beware of all men under 40.
And being over 40 is no guarantee that they will act right.
So, effectively, you're screwed til you get older, and then you're probably still out of luck.
Unfortunately from the male side, it's far worse. The only girls worth having are in their mid thirties. Before that they are too young, and after that they are too bitter and weird.
Take a hint from this thread and get a nice dog instead.
Just don't take it to the crag.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
the only coast
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Nov 21, 2007 - 11:09am PT
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o man, what did i write last night? i don't even remember and i can't find it and i'm on a dialup LOL
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nita
climber
chica from chico
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Nov 21, 2007 - 11:17am PT
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Leb, Thanks for the pics. My favorite was the Pink and black outfit...Muy Bonita ;-)
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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Nov 21, 2007 - 01:07pm PT
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Rox,
Bitchin 'stache! Truly a soup strainer of epic proportions!
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 21, 2007 - 07:23pm PT
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see the movie, " Idiocracy", for where this is going.
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slobmonster
Trad climber
berkeley, ca
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Nov 21, 2007 - 07:50pm PT
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In JTNP, right this very moment (well, in a few moments, when I drive back into the Park) I have my dog! Yup, that's right, she came right along. There are enough roadside crags here (i.e. within 100' of pavement) that I can bring her climbing *legally*, which is nice. As for any behavior not in compliance with the rules & regs of JTNP/NPS, I'm not going to add anything here.
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Quaken
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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Nov 21, 2007 - 11:10pm PT
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All you dog haters convinced me, converted me, I am now on your side. Dogs are food. My native roots have taken over and I am serving a Chaweinlabranard for Thanksgiving Dinner.
You stuff a Chiuaauah, ram him up in a Weiner Dog, add into a young Prime salted Lab, a little Rosemary and all into a St. Bernard!
Wrap in Bananna Leaves, spray with rum and sage mix. Wrap in burlap and cook underground for 4 1/2 to 5 hours.
Yum!
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 22, 2007 - 02:19am PT
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Damn that sounds GOOD!
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jiimmy
Boulder climber
san diego
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Nov 24, 2007 - 12:41am PT
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Dogs are definitely part of the family. and its hard to leave them at home. I agree also. But, the standard response by dog owners is hey none of your business what Im doing.
Well, dogs irritate the heck out of me at the crags. Almost as lame as bringing your kid to the crags and leaving em at the base on a 4 by 4 blanket or crib. Especially when you leave em in the rock fall zone.Seriously, what kind of moron would drag their kids out so that themselves fulfill their selfish needs at the expense of their kids safety? But humans are prone to doing what they think is best for themselves. Not too interested in others. Just like those smokers who drop their butts all over the place or smoke in outdoor areas clearly designated no smoking. We all think were better than the rest. Were special, were gonna do what we want.
Dogs are great. I love em. However, if everybody thought they could do what they wanted well wed have a bunch of prisons full of scumbags. Wait, weve got a few of those havent we. You know come to think of it, Id rather have dogs at the crags then rich kids whose mommies and daddies take care of them their whole lives.
so lets start a ban on all the people whove never had to work and act like they are such talented people.
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marinaaxid25
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Nov 24, 2007 - 12:02pm PT
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hugs-not-drugs:
I don't mind crag dogs. Heck, I wish I could bring mine along, but he's too excitable, and I don't want to take the chance of him pissing anyone off.
BUT!
If your dog has destroyed ANYTHING that belonged to me, sorry--I will ask you to replace it.
Every dog owner is responsible for their dog. Pure and simple.
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screelover
Mountain climber
Canuckistan
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Nov 24, 2007 - 01:56pm PT
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There are good dogs.
And then there are, well, not-so-good dogs.
I hate picking up slobbered doggy butts and pouch-puke.
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noshoesnoshirt
climber
hither and yon
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Aug 16, 2008 - 09:03am PT
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Aaagh!
Zombie thread, back from the dead!
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Aug 16, 2008 - 09:19am PT
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We had a dog that ate a whole shopping bag full of Godiva chocolates once.
HE lived.
That dog would eat anything, even raw onion and lettuce.
Bucky even ate a raw halapeno pepper. Once.
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Dick_Lugar
Trad climber
Indiana (the other Mideast)
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Aug 16, 2008 - 09:37am PT
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Here's an easy solution to this issue: Keep dogs and people on leashes at all times in JTNP?
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Aug 16, 2008 - 09:40am PT
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OR eat them.
Dog smells REALLY good when cooking.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Aug 16, 2008 - 11:05am PT
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Burning Human smells pretty good*, too.
Until you figure out what it is.
*kind of like a real sweet pork roast
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Aug 16, 2008 - 12:24pm PT
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The smell of burning humans in NYC a few years ago didn't smell so good, I can tell you that much. But I suppose it was overpowered by the plastics and other chemicals that were burning as well.
And the smell of dead bodies a week after 9/11/01 was something I'll never forget. I remember the media actually trying to tell us we were "imagining" it.
Right.....
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