What is the fascination of climbing with a pack on???????

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Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Sep 14, 2007 - 04:44pm PT

Don't you know it Bob.

On a technical note, no kidding around now, my biggest problem with the Camelback is you can't monitor, or ration the water so effectively, of course you can get the bladder out and take a look, but that just neutralizes the convenience. I like to be able to look at the bottle and see what I've got; then I put it back in the pack or on my harness, where it is safe.

Lisa and I tried using Camelbacks for long days in the mountains and I'd be surprised by just running out. Also, maybe they fixed this, but the mouth tips were always dripping water, which was annoying.

So I just went back to the bottle.

Raydog

Trad climber

Boulder Colorado

Sep 14, 2007 - 04:47pm PT

Messner at 24000 feet

phillip mike revis

climber

snowbird, ut

Sep 14, 2007 - 04:52pm PT

at the gunks they boulder wearing backpacks

jstan

climber

Sep 14, 2007 - 04:53pm PT

For hiking you put a one or two quart platypus in the flap pocket of a pack. Stores have plastic tubes with mouth tips ready made for use with the platypus. The tips have not leaked on us.

Paulina

Trad climber

Sep 14, 2007 - 05:25pm PT

The backpack is for the 32 essentials, of course! Or was it 132 essentials? Damn, I'll put MFotH in that backpack next time.

golsen

Social climber

kennewick, wa

Sep 14, 2007 - 05:34pm PT

The BEST method for hauling water is to have someone else do it for ya!

Salathe in a day and some nice climber types left a relatively fresh 5 gallon jug a pitch below El Cap Spire. Now that was nice of them.

Russ Walling

Social climber

Out on the sand.... man.....

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 14, 2007 - 05:35pm PT

Did you have a hot stove accident before your ascent?

Raydog

Trad climber

Boulder Colorado

Sep 14, 2007 - 05:37pm PT

RE:
"So I just went back to the bottle."

Camelbaks success given all their quality and design issues is kinda surprising, a lot of us thought the idea was just too geeky however, when all the indicators showed the thing was going to go big, potential competitors still payed little attention.

Of course the idea is still in a kind of developmental limbo but, don't look for advancements too soon, the outdoor industry still thinks RF welding can only be done on a one dimensional plane.

Q - why does the Camelbak hose exit from the BOTTOM of the bladder?
wouldn't it be cleaner and easier if it exited from near the top and fed from the bottom?

but I digress...

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Sep 14, 2007 - 05:51pm PT

Climbing with a pack on builds character. Doh!!

I assume Russ is referring to short to medium length rock climbs. Alpine climbs are another ball of string.

When you look at the stuff some people take for the dreaded "multi-pitch" climbs, it's a wonder they don't need a camel, not just a camel back. Prussiks. Grigri. Slings. Doohickeys. Several water/hydration bottles or bags. Lunch. Sun screen. Sun glasses. Spare rope. Thingies. More prussiks. Camera. Wind/rain jacket. Sweater. Shoes. Surprising they remember they're there to climb.

Part of it is the way climbing is now taught and marketed - a "multi-pitch" isn't just another climb, it's a big hairy deal. Carrying a lot of marginally necessary stuff confirms that it's a BHD, is what they're told to do, and ensures they feel secure. Eventually they learn.

I haven't yet found a hydration bladder that seems reliable, and so won't use them for climbing. If I'm carrying the water, it's because I'll need it. And if I need it, I want the carry system to be reliable. Though, as someone pointed out upthread, hydration needs are often overestimated, and can often be dealt with by pre-hydration.

golsen

Social climber

kennewick, wa

Sep 14, 2007 - 05:58pm PT

haha Russ, no hot stove accident.

just goin lighter than normal for a day climb...

davidji

Social climber

Sep 14, 2007 - 06:01pm PT

"Q - why does the Camelbak hose exit from the BOTTOM of the bladder?
wouldn't it be cleaner and easier if it exited from near the top and fed from the bottom? "

Cleaner and easier? Well, cleaning might be easier.

I like bladders with a detachable hose, and that seems like a good way to do it. One of my platypus bladders has a hose that screws in the bottom. Much easier to dry than bladders with a fixed hose.

G_Gnome

Sport climber

Everywhere, man...

Sep 14, 2007 - 06:03pm PT

I have found that women in particular have leaky bladder issues when I am around. I don't understand it, but there it is. Ask any of them.

Maysho

climber

Truckee, CA

Sep 14, 2007 - 06:31pm PT

Tarbousier,

As a retired sometime modern dancer from SF, I have to say I really admire a man secure enough to post pics of climbing in a sleeveless top with suave hat, AND reveal his penchant for italian designer bags in the same thread!

lol - the platonic brotherly kind, not that there is anything wrong with the other.

Peter

ps. this is KNOTT an invitation to post the pic of our brief experimentation with cross dressing long ago, they have all seen it, and we didn't wear packs, the purses were fine for the rack and beer.

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Sep 14, 2007 - 06:41pm PT

I know, I know Maysho,
Altogether quite, so, so...fetching, dah-ling.

davidji

Social climber

Sep 14, 2007 - 06:44pm PT

khanom wrote:
"If I do not eat constantly I hit the wall very fast. Even just 5-6 pitches. It's not that I can't keep going, just that my body starts to complain in the form of a really bad stomach ache, coupled with, well, gas."

Sounds like intestinal parasites to this layman. Like Russ said, you might want to get checked.

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Sep 14, 2007 - 07:15pm PT

But truly, when it comes to the all-time suavest, sexiest, most come hither of the sleek pack designs for the alpinist, Karrimor ruled:

But then, as Ray Dog said:
“Yah, and a lot of guys died with those strapped to their backs!”

I lso like Lafuma, Millet, & Berghaus.

murcy

climber

San Fran Cisco

Sep 14, 2007 - 07:26pm PT

water, rain jacket, first aid crap, food, headlamp, batteries, sun block, guidebook, camera, cell or satellite phone, compass, space blanket, identification tag, wallet, vitamins, rosary beads, flare gun, last will and testament, inspirational quotes, jumbles book for belay.