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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 15, 2007 - 09:45am PT
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At least 10 years ago, the Guides at YMS were required to carry a pack on all climbs, to carry their first aid kit among other things.
I don't like things rattling around my harness so I always carry a pack except on one or two pitchs climbs.
Includes
very small first aid kit
4 oz Patagonia Dragonfly cause it gets windy a few pitches up
water, cause I hate being thirsty and Yosemite is hot
Small point and shoot camera because I'm a photographer dammit'
a few bars or goo
micro led headlamp cause it never leaves the pack or you'll forget it when you need it. Even some some climb when I know I could always pull it off, you dont know if you could need to hang out to help somebody else out in a rescue situation or have stuck ropes
If it's a walkoff, I bring light water shoes cause I can't walk in climbing shoes
If getting dark and/or cold is an option, I have a very light fleece layer and a hat
I use this stuff all the time. It's called taking responsibility for your team rather than hoping everything goes perfect everytime without fail
Peace
Karl
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Sep 15, 2007 - 10:11am PT
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If it's a walkoff, I bring light water shoes cause I can't walk in climbing shoes
Karl, you got a photo and/or recommendation, regarding those "light water shoes"?
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Maysho
climber
Truckee, CA
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Sep 15, 2007 - 10:20am PT
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Hey Raydog,
Greetings! What do you think of the Mt. Hardwear Exodus frame series? Not for climbing, and it has some impracticalities, but it sure feels amazing to walk on rough terrain or ski with a load. The designer, Charles Mosely, is a good friend of mine. I watched him tinker with these ideas for almost a decade, trying to get his own patent before he got "bought" by the big boys.
Peter
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golsen
Social climber
kennewick, wa
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Sep 15, 2007 - 10:39am PT
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Sometimes a little pack beats having all that stuff hanging off you
Descent shoes
Fleece Pullover
Water
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Sep 15, 2007 - 12:38pm PT
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Hi Peter -
RE:
" Hey Raydog,
Greetings! What do you think of the Mt. Hardwear Exodus frame series?"
In summer 2000 I tested a frame pack against 3 popular full-size internals and, no doubt, for carrying loads 16 miles on a trail in the high country, the frame kicked-A - a JanSport $150 dollar frame pack proved WAY better than Dana Arc-flex, Gregory Denali, ArcTeryx Bora (demo packs courtesy Neptune Mounianeering) , much lighter, better at what it was designed for and way cheaper to boot so - yeah, an external type frame can be a good thing - frames neglected for a long time - I'm betting the Mtn Hardware packs perform really well.
A mobile load carrying tool - for max weight, has a frame.
For mid-size to light loads, the structure is optimized as the "frame" or shell to be more exact. The degree to which the structure can be engineered for the best all-around attributes determines which tool works best for the widest range of loads/activities.
The holy grail of mid/full pack design, is to support the load completely while allowing complete freedom of movement by the user.
I would say, if we accept the above as valid, modern internals constitute an evolutionary step backwards.
Look at how load carrying tools have been made for the vast majority of human history - baskets, conical shaped exo-skeletal designs requiring minimal harnesses - you can see them being used in Egyptian hieroglyphics - these are the real benchmarks, they show us that the current thinking, while necessary for sure, is the exact opposite of what it should be in terms of an engineering approach.
What you are looking at when you view a big Gregory, Dana, ArcTeryx type pack - is an anomaly.
cheers Peter -
Ray
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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Sep 15, 2007 - 05:10pm PT
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External packs are cool, because they are old.
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Anastasia
Trad climber
California
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Sep 15, 2007 - 06:57pm PT
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Fish,
Are you thinking of making a speciality pack for day climbers? I would love a small, sturdy pack with multiple division panels to divide food, water/ clothing/ left over gear, walk off shoes etc. I will like an inside security pocket for car keys and wallets. Plus a small top pocket for headlamps and first aid kit.
It will be nice also if it can have a hydration system and a few daisy chains on the side of it.
If you can have a side zipper, bottom and top zipper to access the pack from multiple angels. Plus if you can have a daisy chain inside the pack to tie everything in so nothing can truly fall out.
God, I am dreaming...
AF
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 15, 2007 - 07:01pm PT
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Anna, you lead a rich fantasy life......
edit: you too n00b
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 15, 2007 - 07:21pm PT
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The Ron Paul pack... maybe you should pick one up?
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 15, 2007 - 07:25pm PT
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ooooh... I know you are but what am I.....
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 15, 2007 - 07:30pm PT
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Sorry, school is closed today. Go look up link or something. Or have a smoke?
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 15, 2007 - 07:31pm PT
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I'll just do the next post for you:
fukking republicunt brownshirt!!!!! LMFAO!!!!!!
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Sep 15, 2007 - 07:39pm PT
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When the pack is loaded and I am heading off to do a back country alpine climb with a cool partner, that is a magnificent feeling of joy. Adventure adventure adventure, that's what we do.
Second best feeling: Returning to the car after a successful climb for cold Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 15, 2007 - 07:46pm PT
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For the record, AC wanted to toss his "foil" into the ring. He has a Russ boner and just can't resist rubbing it on me. Too bad for all the other readers that you have to witness his continuous leg humping. He's sick. He needs help.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Sep 15, 2007 - 07:49pm PT
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Crawley leg humping, now there is a visual. Crowley makes a living keeping an eye on us sh#t stirrers. He is homeland security.
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golsen
Social climber
kennewick, wa
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Sep 15, 2007 - 08:00pm PT
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Who carries a pack?
Note: this is not intended to be political..
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golsen
Social climber
kennewick, wa
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Sep 15, 2007 - 08:02pm PT
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One for the other party
That cigarette in the butt is especially cute....
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 15, 2007 - 08:03pm PT
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Really Crowley... get some help.
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Ouch!
climber
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Sep 15, 2007 - 09:35pm PT
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Sep 16, 2007 - 02:19am PT
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water - ok maybe not shorty pie routes, unless hanging out all day FA'ing.
but criter chew prevention is key, specially in well travelled areas.
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