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Ricky D

Trad climber
Under the Webmasters Thumb
Apr 16, 2019 - 09:21pm PT
DMT was the Huell Houwser of the Central Valley. How this site let that talent go is beyond me. Seems like someone in charge had a bad day and decided to piss in our cereal and tell us it's our fault.

Time to open the IV of morphine on this dying corpse.


Monterey, Ca
Apr 16, 2019 - 09:25pm PT
sorry but why is ST doing a blanket deletion of all photos??? is every trip report ever going to suffer this fate?
Delhi Dog

Good Question...
Apr 16, 2019 - 09:29pm PT
Lastly, regarding DMT, you should know that he was not nuked. Dingus Milktoast has been a long time and deeply respected contributor to the site. He asked to have his posts removed in a brief but very kind email to Chris. In his request to remove his posts he said:
Its been a wonderful run and I've no regrets nor criticisms. Thank you for the opportunity to post to and read your wonderful forum. Its time for me to move on. Cheers and see you at the crags.

Dingus Milktoast's contributions were appreciated by Chris and millions of people who have visited the SuperTopo Climber's forum. But, his request to remove his posts was respected. On behalf of all of us, I'd like to thank Dingus, ask you all to join Chris in respecting DMT's personal choice. It will be a pleasure to see him at the crags.


From the politicalKnott thread
Ricky D

Trad climber
Under the Webmasters Thumb
Apr 16, 2019 - 09:52pm PT

This is playing out like some B-Movie Biblical Movie. The Great Creator CMac starts a world and invites talking monkeys to play in it. The Great Creator then mostly ignores the place for years until one day he looks and says "WTF?".

The talking monkeys, smoking ducks, drooling ungulates, perverts, pornos, proselytizers and sutpid morans have turned his perfect digital world into a zoo.

CMac then sends down his Two Commandments of Thall Shalt Nots followed by his faithful servant Noah of Spurrier who politely blames us for our own sins while the Great Creator smites us with exile and abolishment.

Sh#t like this was why I quit going to Church as a kid.

Trad climber
space-man from outer space
Apr 16, 2019 - 10:13pm PT
Super Twerp
Don Paul

Social climber
Washington DC
Apr 17, 2019 - 06:26am PT
Rj thanks for addressing the rumors and I hope people will reconsider their super- dramatic exits. For the people who want to publish old Alpinist etc articles, I think you need an offsite solution with links here, like mark Hudson did with his trip reports, which are only linked here. You need to contact the publishers and get their permission or in some way that's fair use, such as only posting excerpts and commenting on it or comparing it to how the route is climbed today etc. I haven't researched the legal issues but would be surprised if the laws on photos and YouTube videos arent the same.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 17, 2019 - 07:00am PT
Rj thanks for addressing the rumors and I hope people will reconsider their super- dramatic exits.

Q. What's the worst part about leaving?

A. People knott knowing that you're leaving!

Apr 17, 2019 - 07:49am PT
What bums me out is that they didnít give me more help writing that book that I never wrote. Iíd be happy to give yíall a copy of my book free if Iíd actually written it. I guess on the plus side though, they did actually give me a place for me to complain about them not helping me more to write that book I never actually wrote.

Facebook can handle that easily

Yea they can. Just ask Cambridge Analytica and Putin and Donnie boy. You can trust that Zuckerberg fellow, with his $66.8 billion net worth, to treat you right! What really gets my goat is when other people work to their own advantage on a smaller level.

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Apr 17, 2019 - 08:59am PT
My guess...

SuperTopo is being sold to a corporate giant that will mine your data but they need clear providence.

This promotional image will serve as my first post after the Great Purge of 2019.

YES... I own this image. In fact, I own this film as I am the Executiv...
YES... I own this image. In fact, I own this film as I am the Executive Producer. You will discover this to be true when you watch telly on February 9, 2020.
Credit: Ihateplastic

Apr 17, 2019 - 10:09am PT
O boy, I better buy a tv so I can tell my friends I know who the owner of a movie is. And the insightful ST predictions? Obtuse as ever.

Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
Apr 17, 2019 - 10:32am PT
Itís a continued pattern that people are sick of and that has degraded the worth of this forum. Maybe you donít care about climbing anymore but these guys have an especial talent for gutting valuable content in thread after thread, rendering them worthless. You could have written many books off the information they have erased with a few key strokes. Itís a shameful bias against the users and their contributions.

I agree whole heartedly. I'm assuming Chris has his back to a wall on some level, or is completely indifferent and truly doesn't care about the ST climbing community. I'm hoping its the prior.

I have written over 40 TR labors of love, full of photos and creative effort. I'm strongly thinking of deleting all of them and copying and saving them elsewhere before they can be injured on any level with what's going on here. It would be sad to stop visiting this site that has brought me much joy over the years, not to mention created real friendships that have grown outside the forum.


Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 17, 2019 - 02:37pm PT
The Wiki article regarding DMCA and the "safe harbor" aspect of it is actually a very good summary, including a good list of relevant case law.

From what I gather, SuperTopo has fully complied with the requirements necessary for it to avoid copyright suits, and it is therefore only required to remove images about which it has received a take-down demand from the copyright holder. At that point, it has no liability.

I believe that the deeper any of you care to go into the provisions of the DMCA and the safe harbor provisions, the more you will agree that it sure appears that an unnecessarily heavy hand is being used here regarding posted images.

I'm not a copyright attorney, but the DMCA (particularly the safe harbor provisions) were not written for attorneys. The goal was to bring an understandable set of rules to the Internet and enable "providers" to create "venues" in which some participants might violate copyright, but without liability to the "providers" themselves (as long as they follow a simple set of rules). And the safe harbor provisions do not apply strictly to ISPs. Multiple court cases have found that bloggers and other content venues, including forums, are also contemplated by safe harbor.

There's no rocket science in interpreting the case law, and I sincerely don't see what the paranoia is about. Correct me if I'm wrong, and I mean that. But the take-downs seem far more sweeping than the law calls for. It's both a shame and seemingly unnecessary for the community to lose all of this content, MOST of which the posters own.
another nickname

Social climber
Tristan da Cunha
Apr 17, 2019 - 02:42pm PT
Perhaps its an inferior lawyer giving cheap or free advice?

Social climber
The internet
Apr 17, 2019 - 02:43pm PT
it is therefore only required to remove images about which it has received a take-down demand from the copyright holder. At that point, it has no liability.
YES. That is my understanding as well.

Let the accuser do the work.

I've been a plaintiff as well - not copyright, but breach of contract - I won - I always do - but have been surprised by how much legal protection a typical business or citizen has from being harassed by lawsuits - contrary to what one may come to believe through popular media.

The distance between getting a threat letter and actually having to pay damages on something is basically to the moon and back - all on the accusers dime for legal fees - so there better be a giant pile of cash there to justify it - and in this case there isn't.

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 17, 2019 - 02:57pm PT
so there better be a giant pile of cash there to justify it - and in this case there isn't

In my own experience as plaintiff, and from everything I read, in the vast majority of cases, a cease and desist is the sole goal. And for SuperTopo, that means nothing more than complying with the take-down demand.

"To the moon and back" is a good summation, I believe, of the odds that SuperTopo actually gets sued by a copyright holder. And the law only requires that material be taken down in response to a particular demand. So, the sweeping purge that is going on seems way over the top to me.

Again, sincerely, correct me if I'm wrong.

Apr 17, 2019 - 03:59pm PT
This is a test to compare an uploaded image to ST vs a linked uploaded image to my website:

Math Image
Math Image
Credit: jogill

[Click to View Linked Image]

The first is OK, but lacks fine detail. The second is more what I want.

Just curious.

Edit: should work now, L. I made an error in typing.
Mike, do you have a high definition screen? I see finer detail on my linked image.


Just livin' the dream
Apr 17, 2019 - 04:03pm PT
"This site canít be reached
www128.pair%20.comís server IP address could not be found.
Search Google for 128 pair r3d4k7 LBEXP380b2

This is what I got when I clicked the link. And that little square with the upside down smiley face.
Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
Apr 17, 2019 - 04:05pm PT
howdy L!

I get the same image looking at the direct upload or clicking the link.

EDIT: looks like John fixed a link between the L and Bolte tests

John - if I click in the image you uploaded to ST, the resolution looks the same as the linked image. Without enlarging the uploaded image, it does have degraded resolution


Social climber
Apr 17, 2019 - 04:06pm PT
hey there, say, L... i could not get it to work, either...
but, i thought my computer was stalled...

i just now got it to work, so-- it must be fixed?
(i think he added more words, now, since the few seconds ago,
when i clicked) ...

hope this helped?

ahhh, thanks so much, jogill...
hee hee, good-- NOT my computer... :)

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Apr 17, 2019 - 04:06pm PT
I also posted this response to all my hosted on ST photos being deleted by management today on RJ's Don't post Politics thread. It seems more appropriate here.

Since around 2010 I had used ST as host for all the photos I posted here. When the schist started coming down, I was somewhat concerned that the climbing history thread photos of old climbing magazine ads & catalog pages would be destroyed.

As of this morning, everything was intact. I now discover every last photo I had saved to ST is gone. There are no hot-links in the threads.

So, history fans. This history is not illustrated any longer.

Why would management want to destroy something like these historical threads?


Chouinard carabiner timeline 12/11/2010

Royal Robbins/Mountain Paraphernalia timeline & history.

Gauloises, Don Whillians, the Frogs & Climbing history.

Here's what happened to every one of my photos stored on st.

Credit: Fritz

Apr 17, 2019 - 12:44pm PT
My photos for these trip reports & threads of interest are all gone too.

The Post up a Rock on Tuesday Thread

The five stages of backing off climbs.

Donini at The City of Rocks: Climbing as a Lifetime Sport! 2010

Skyladder & North Face Athabasca Columbia Icefields 1974

2011 Sawtooth Mtns. Choss Adventure----The Grand Aiguille

2012 August A Short Visit to an Island! In NV. with a mtn. & history!

4 mtns, 10 Cuts, & 100 miles of ridgetop dirt road in Idaho! Sept 2012

Training for, then climbing a 28,999í Tropical Volcano

A Ridge So Far &/or Am I getting too-old for this? Idaho 2018


The Delights of Delano on the 1st day of Summer. 2018

International Travel Adventures

Bariloche Argentina Treking becomes an adventure. 4/1/2010

Mustang story on Nepal appreciation thread. Dec 2011

Spring fun in Spain, with some climbing too!

A visit to Doniniís Bivy cabin in Patagonia & ensuing adventures March 2013

Brenta Dolomites hiking & climbing 2014

A Search for Cave art, Prehistoric women, Wine & Adventures in France 2015

A visit to Dubrovnik, some sailing in Croatia, & an Octoberfest Party on the way home 2017[/quote]


Idaho climbing adventure classics

A SLICK ROCK Adventure in Idaho with a single Blue Camalot Belay aug.2015

Pursuit of BlueBonnet tower and the Lost Crystal Cave. Dec 2009

Elephantís Perch New route 1/15/2010

I saw a possible end of ST coming back about a year & started saving threads from here to my computer.

Also, Tom Lopez, the author of Idaho A Climbing Guide, has hosted these three stories on his website. Pursuit of BlueBonnet tower and the Lost Crystal Cave, Elephantís Perch New route
A SLICK ROCK Adventure in Idaho with a single Blue Camalot Belay aug.2015

Here's the link.

Thanks fellow STians. It's been gud to know you!

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