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Jon Beck
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Oceanside
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Dec 14, 2018 - 03:51pm PT
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200 billion times 12 months comes to 2.4 trillion debt per year. Twice the prior experience.
and that is in a booming economy that may be at its peak. A global recession is going to be tough.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Dec 14, 2018 - 03:54pm PT
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Day 852 of America's war on Trump.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Dec 14, 2018 - 04:14pm PT
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A war where no one wins.
Maybe 1 %.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Dec 14, 2018 - 04:28pm PT
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"Those who have not learned from history are doomed to repeat it"
"I am not a crook"
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Dec 14, 2018 - 05:09pm PT
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Anthony Scaramucci went out and made the various Fox, CNN, NBC, CBS media rounds to promote his new book, Trump, the Blue-Collar President.
Scaramucci is pro-Trump, but is, refreshingly, not deranged like some other Trump apologists, such as Sean Hannity, Kellyanne Conway, and Orrin Hatch. Scaramucci is capable of engaging in conversation, and acknowledging facts and reality, while still rallying for Trump.
One of Scaramucci's sagacious insights is that it is pointless for Democrats to continue demonstrating, with proof, that Trump doesn't tell the truth. Trump, obviously, is a shameless liar, and whatever is convenient to him, at that time, is what he presents as being the truth.
Specifically, Scaramucci says that proving Trump is a liar to Trump supporters is 100% pointless. They KNOW he is a liar. And, they LIKE the fact that he lies, disrupts the nation, is a wild-child outlier, and generally behaves in a manner completely unlike any other president. Trump's fans call that "doing a great job".
The situation is similar to classroom students cheering for a disruptive hellion who is "shaking up" the normal process of education. The class clown's fans goad him on, and tell him he is "doing a great job" of hijacking the classroom.
Regarding the "roaring economy":
The Trump+GOP massive tax cut is analogous to a person taking out a mortgage on their house in order to obtain a "cash windfall". That person can spend the false windfall freely (as on cars, boats, hookers and blow) but at the end of the day, there has been no economic miracle, or boost to their disposable income. The person has simply cashed out an asset, at a high cost, for an immediate and temporary money fix.
Trump's "economic miracle" is based on the same flawed logic he used for his Atlantic City casinos: borrow heavily at a high interest rate, then take the money and run. Let the hapless bond holders get what they deserve, for believing what Trump told them.
Trump, apparently, believes that the Treasury can simply default on the bonds it has issued. Or, that the Federal Reserve can just turn their money-printing machines all the way up to 11, and churn out more and more filigreed pieces of paper at a faster rate.
These go to eleven
 Nigel Tufnel, This is Spinal Tap
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Dec 14, 2018 - 05:20pm PT
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Come on, Lithuania... the three previous presidents lied about a few things. Trump lies constantly.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Dec 14, 2018 - 05:23pm PT
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***Trump’s Inauguration Paid Trump’s Company — With Ivanka In The Middle
A top inaugural planner emailed Ivanka and others at the company to “express my concern” that the hotel was overcharging for its event spaces, worrying of what would happen “when this is audited.”**
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Trump
climber
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Dec 14, 2018 - 05:29pm PT
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The idea that false logic didn’t help Donnie get himself elected POTUS is false logic.
So sure, go for it, be as attached to your criticisms of false logic as you like. But Donnie boy prefers to use false logic to his advantage, rather than to use logic to admire himself for how logical his analysis of false logic is.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Dec 14, 2018 - 05:31pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It is well known that if anything is negotiable, it is hotel room rates. That is the basis for online lodging websites such as Travelocity. And, it is also well-known that hotel room rates are commonly adjusted dynamically in response to demand (i.e., off-season rates are lower than during busy holidays).
It is not at all surprising that the Trump Organization used that logic to boost their D.C. room rates astronomically, with the expectation that Trump's inauguration committee would gleefully pay the higher prices without complaint.
The Federal investigation into Trump's inauguration committee's finances is based on Trump's unprecedented refusal to separate his personal financial interests from his presidential powers.
A similar investigation should be undertaken: what does Mar-A-Lago, or the New Jersey golf resort, charge taxpayers to house and feed the Secret Service staff that accompanies Trump on his frequent trips there? Again, the issue is a president who abusively uses his office for self-enrichment at taxpayer expense.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Dec 14, 2018 - 05:42pm PT
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All those POTUS ‘s pictured above let the American people see their tax returns.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Dec 14, 2018 - 05:53pm PT
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Honey badger don't give a f*#k..
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Dec 14, 2018 - 06:02pm PT
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You are right,people do not want an honest person to lead them.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Dec 14, 2018 - 06:03pm PT
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PREMISE: A criminal who does not want to be discovered, captured and imprisoned conceals their criminal activity.
PREMISE: A criminal with a concealed history of criminal activity does not want to be scrutinized by authorities.
PREMISE: A president of the United States is the most scrutinized person on the planet.
CONCLUSION: A criminal with a vast criminal past, who intentionally becomes president, wants to be scrutinized, caught and imprisoned.
THE FLAW IN THE LOGIC: A missing premise is that criminal in question behaves in a rational manner, and he is not insane. Alternatively, the criminal in question is delusional regarding the ability of authorities to discover factual evidence of his criminal past.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Dec 14, 2018 - 06:04pm PT
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Except,like,the majority.lol
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Dec 14, 2018 - 06:05pm PT
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"One of Scaramucci's sagacious insights is that it is pointless for Democrats to continue demonstrating, with proof, that Trump doesn't tell the truth. Trump, obviously, is a shameless liar, and whatever is convenient to him, at that time, is what he presents as being the truth."
The sooner Democrats come to grips with this, the better. The rational part of the country (this includes lots of Republicans, too) knows he is a lying windbag most of the time, but Dems calling it out all the time in a shrill, panty-twisting tone only turns people off. A better approach would be to call out his lies calmly and rationally, then go on to offer real, working solutions that will benefit most of America. Dems aren't particularly good at either part of this approach.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Dec 14, 2018 - 06:07pm PT
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Yes,my view is flawed,they have all lied.
Such a winning basis for your forthcoming logic.
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Climberdude
Trad climber
Clovis, CA
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Dec 14, 2018 - 06:22pm PT
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Spot on, Tom.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Dec 14, 2018 - 06:23pm PT
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ORRIN HATCH: ""All I can say is this: President Trump before he became President, that's another world."
Spiro Agnew's tax evasion was "another world" because it occurred before he became Vice-President. That did not stop Federal prosecutors from seeking to indict him, leading Agnew to plead guilty to one count of tax evasion, for 1967, and for Agnew to resign.
Bill Clinton's interactions with Paula Jones was "another world" because it occurred before he became President. That did not stop Clinton from being impeached for lying under oath during Jones' civil lawsuit against him.
Trump's criminal behavior during the 2016 presidential election, before he was elected, may have been "another world", but that is not going to stop prosecutors from enforcing the law.
This Trump situation is a comedic exercise in absurd and ludicrous claims that serious and felonious criminal activity is acceptable, as long as a select minority of the country has benefited monetarily from that criminal activity.
Even worse, the absurdity extends to claims that criminal activity to defraud the nation, in furtherance of fraudulently obtaining the presidency, is acceptable if the fraudulent president subsequently engages in activity that benefits a select minority of the nation.
I get a very valuable salvation cracker - my ticket to Heaven - every Sunday morning from the priest. Who cares what the priest does to little boys during the rest of the week?
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