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WBraun
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Dec 16, 2018 - 08:19am PT
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Happiness and fun are the original eternal defacto constitutional positions of every living entity.
If you are trying to make it a goal then you are already living on the wrong planet because you are doing it artificially here .....
The poor fund of knowledge gross materialists are ultimately clueless why they are even here to begin with.
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larryhorton
Trad climber
NM
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Dec 16, 2018 - 08:43am PT
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What if it’s a traverse?
Ha! That’s pretty funny, Reilly.
‘Traversing’, in the limited sense of climbing vernacular, is precisely what people do all their lives!
Same thing Werner hints at.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Dec 16, 2018 - 08:43am PT
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larryhorton fun was coming down off of Higher Cathedral Spire with myself and Jeff Mathis after dark with no headlamp, flashlight, or even matches.
It was nearly as fun an experience as that time I passed out in Larry's cat litter box, come to think of it.
HCS was memorable because it was my first 5.8 lead in spankin' new Robbins god boots.
Thanks for those boots, Larry.
And thanks for the memory.
I'm smilin' as I type this.
Larry Jones is heading for hip surgery on the 14th of Feb., thought you'd like to know.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 16, 2018 - 08:52am PT
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I'll put emphases in OP title:
When it was just fun
that is, fun and nothing else...
...not the byproduct, not the after thought;
in the moment.
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larryhorton
Trad climber
NM
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Dec 16, 2018 - 09:06am PT
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Happiness and fun are the original eternal defacto constitutional positions of every living entity.
Key elements of this statement don’t hold water, Werner. Might it be more accurate to express the truth that happiness is an unwavering, inherent quality of soul? But that soul—in this moment, which is the only ‘place’ it resides—is merely a latent, unawakened spark, snoring loudly in all these living entities?
Yes, that spark exists in each of us. But no one here is in the ‘position’ of soul. Unless it’s in blind subservience to the mind/ego.
I can’t help but recall having this conversation with you, years ago, that if soul is a happy entity (and it is), why are you so grumpy? Everyone is doing exactly what they need to do, to get where they are going. Each one doing so perfectly—for their own journey..
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larryhorton
Trad climber
NM
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Dec 16, 2018 - 09:10am PT
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Because, Ed, ‘fun’ is equally as illusive as ‘pain’.
But go for it! Masters throughout time have teased us with the notion that we can laugh our way to heaven. It is the preferred way to go!
And thanks again for this contemplation.
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larryhorton
Trad climber
NM
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Dec 16, 2018 - 09:16am PT
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Dead image, Mouse. The Live Image is our only reality. And, in it, I’m smiling, too.
Give my love to Jeff, would you?
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Dec 16, 2018 - 09:38am PT
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Straight from a show, those are tour clothes, worn like a Tuxedo & not in climbing shoes
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bombolini
Boulder climber
San Pedro
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Dec 16, 2018 - 09:51am PT
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Thanks for posting that Ed. It helps me remember why we go to the mountains. Because Ed, the word fun is my new "four letter" word for me these days. As strange as that sounds. Keep up the good word bud.
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larryhorton
Trad climber
NM
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Dec 17, 2018 - 02:46am PT
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I'll put emphases in OP title:
When it was just fun
that is, fun and nothing else...
...not the byproduct, not the after thought;
in the moment.
Ed, my attention keeps being drawn to these words. And here, in the hours of the elixir, they led me back to your original post, as you intended.
What draws me back to look more closely is the yearning evident in your voice. It’s sincere, it’s deep, it’s profound. The image between your lines stirs the memory of what that yearning is like. The frustration that one feels from not being understood for one’s true desire. The pain of having once tasted something that felt so much like home, and came so effortlessly, so spontaneously, before the full weight of our karma descended upon us, making the separation from that memory so much more impenetrable.
I remember that feeling of separation, and how subtly agonizing it was. Before I recognized its purpose. It’s the yearning of the oppressed soul for the supremacy which is rightfully its own, but which has become so distant as to become nearly imperceptible. That’s not something I thought of or conjured up as pretty words. It’s something that smacked me in the face like a thunderbolt over twenty years ago, took my precious attention, and irretrievably turned it around, and placed it on the objective of human existence.
All I can tell you is how priceless that yearning will prove to be. When your time comes, in this or another lifetime, the entire universe will shift, and, from that moment on, the trajectory of the weight of that yearning will be slowly, but surely, redirected to its unspeakable fulfillment.
I know that’s a lot for mind to swallow. But if you can allow that image a place to roost, it will manifest.
Bon voyage, my friend.
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Pennsylenvy
Gym climber
A dingy corner in your refrigerator
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Dec 17, 2018 - 04:18am PT
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Thanks for posting this up ED. This is ON topic.
A few years back was at the base of Clean and Jerk with a largish group from a Todd Gordon event which included some super climbers. The subject of who the best climber ever was being tossed around. We were all having fun taking turns on the luxury of a TR on it. When it was my turn I looked my belayer and said with emphasis GOT ME???!!!! Then I proceeded to dyno for the opening jug. I let out a hardman/woman war cry grunt as I splatted into the wall feet flailing in every which direction.
A little later the best climber conversation popped up again to which none other than THE Bird Jim Bridwell announced that obviously I Tim was the best climber because I was having the most FUN :) So when I look back at that I am reminded of Bill Murray saying that the Dali Lama told him ' when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.” So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.'
I have said before, Jim had a way of making people feel good about themselves, even if you are not the 'best' climber ;)
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Dec 17, 2018 - 04:28am PT
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Y so serious, larryhorton?
Please quit taking the joy out of my existence, such as it is. I cannot possibly live up to the model you have made. I am not wired the same as you or some bhodisattva.
Now, Edward Abbey, he's the real funster, if you ask.
edit: :0)
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 17, 2018 - 06:03pm PT
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its only grade 3 baby but is sure was fun :)
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Trump
climber
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Dec 17, 2018 - 07:31pm PT
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Fun involves more comfort than it used to.
I like that! Most of the stuff that I used to consider fun would be considered suffering by most people.
I remember dayhiking Mt Whitney a while back with a friend. I don’t do well with altitude, but I was in good shape, and we spent a few days beforehand in Tuolumne, so all good.
The 4 am start was divine, hiking up the canyon in flashlight, daylight eventually lighting the eastern skies. Up to the frozen lake, where the fun begins. Slogging, suffering, nauseous, up that beautiful slope, the sublime ridge, the stunning summit. Have I ever felt worse? Maybe not. Suffering down the trail, until finally I got low enough to start to feel the slightest bit better.
OMFG! I am never f*#king doing that again! My friend felt the same way.
Until a few days later. Wow, that frozen lake was sooo cool! And the ridge, awesome! Still, the nausea, feeling like crap, no way.
Until a few days later. Remember that hike? Man that was cool wasn’t it?
Until a few days later. Man that was fun! Just fun. Let’s do it again!
So sure, I remember when it was just fun.
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Aeriq
Sport climber
100-year Visitor
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Dec 17, 2018 - 08:59pm PT
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A few years back was at the base of Clean and Jerk with a largish group from a Todd Gordon event which included some super climbers. The subject of who the best climber ever was being tossed around. We were all having fun taking turns on the luxury of a TR on it. When it was my turn I looked my belayer and said with emphasis GOT ME???!!!! Then I proceeded to dyno for the opening jug. I let out a hardman/woman war cry grunt as I splatted into the wall feet flailing in every which direction.
A little later the best climber conversation popped up again to which none other than THE Bird Jim Bridwell announced that obviously I Tim was the best climber because I was having the most FUN :) So when I look back at that I am reminded of Bill Murray saying that the Dali Lama told him ' when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.” So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.'
That is such a great story, Tim - I had forgotten that one.
Pennsylenvy is ALWAYS the climber having the most fun!
That's why he gets the airplane rides.
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ground_up
Trad climber
mt. hood /baja
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Dec 17, 2018 - 09:27pm PT
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keeping a sense of wonder and adventure is key
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stone free
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Dec 20, 2018 - 05:07pm PT
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I always remember a simple statement from a Yosemite climbing partner, Paul, in 1978, "We climb because it's fun and we like it!"
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oldguy
climber
Bronx, NY
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Jan 22, 2019 - 09:28am PT
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The philosophy of fun here for all to see. Doubtless a lot more could be written, especially if it doesn't have to prove enlightening. But my brief obit wasn't about fun; it was about Royal. It was about a few other things, too, but mainly Royal was later portrayed as a serious guy, an oracle, a purveyor of standards, and he was. You had to be in order to do the things he did. But, as is often the case, there was another side to the man.
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