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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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CNN is controlled by Hanoi Jane Fonda, cuz she is in Ted's head, big time, lives there rent free. Minor detail that Ted no longer has anything to do with CNN, but why the hell let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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CNN is the dirty slandering news media to brainwash stOOpid Americans....
Good thing we have Fox to counter that....
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Always amusing when someone claims you are stupid and gullible for NOT believing in a conspiracy theory.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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When is that?
Lol
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Donald J. Trump
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
9h Looking forward to being with the Bush Family to pay my respects to President George H.W. Bush.
Seriously - how can his children just LET him Tweet such inane things. If anyone could say "You know, you really have no grasp on what is appropriate, and we'd like to HELP you reduce the number of social errors.", it would be his grown children.
Seiously, I would like to see a report ask them how that can just ignore it. Do THEY not realize how bad it is?
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couchmaster
climber
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Who's screaming? The Korean photographer for Reuters who took that picture didn't speak spanish. Sure, it's a great shot and he can sell it to lots of other news organizations, none of whom witnessed it in person but they ran with the "story" anyway cause they had a great photo - but whats the real story? We all interpret what we think it is based on our beliefs and prejudices but we get false impression that way. I can give lots of examples of that very thing occurring we learn the truth later, but here's a real recent one to ponder. There was an award winning picture you must know of a little girl crying as a U.S. Border Patrol agent patted down her mother which became a symbol of the families pulled apart by the Trump administration enforcing the Obama era border laws. That famous shot even got the kid on the cover of Time. But what everyone thought was happening wasn't. All the major media picked it up and drilled how horrible Trump was to this little girl. It was a lie. The girl was not separated from her mother except for a brief moment when the mom put her down as agents patted her down.
"“I personally went up to the mother and asked her, ‘Are you doing okay? Is the kid okay?’ and she said, ‘Yes. She’s tired and thirsty. It’s 11 o’clock at night,” Ruiz told CBS News......The heart-wrenching image, captured by award-winning Getty Images photographer John Moore, was spread across the front pages of international newspapers. It was used to promote a Facebook fundraiser that has collected more than $18 million to help reunite separated families."
..and it was a lie. Here's the Washington Post telling that whole story if you have any interest in what the truth was after the fact:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/06/22/the-crying-honduran-girl-on-the-cover-of-time-was-not-separated-from-her-mother-father-says/?utm_term=.3e6af6f14e28
Not justifying the separation thing, but that wasn't what happened in this instance. I'm not even saying that everything didn't occur to someone else at someplace other to somebody and there was no photo of it. Likely. I'm saying that all of the story's using that photo were incorrect and as consumers of info, we need to keep our guard up. If you think the media doesn't have an agenda, I have a bridge to sell you. In fact, most media would sell you that bridge themselves and pocket the money. Don't think I believe the government is any better. The reverse is true, google Operation Mockingbird if you want to start down that road.
"“Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!”"
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Who's screaming?
Your meme screams conspiracy.
Sure, deflect from your 3rd grade meme by talking about another pic.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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At a book talk in Missoula, Montana, Monday night, former Vice President Joe Biden said he thinks he is the “most qualified person in the country to be president.”
The Pennsylvania native said his decision about a bid for the White House is coming in the next six weeks to two months. Biden’s aides confirmed to ABC News that he thinks the most pressing issues the nation faces now -- foreign policy and helping the middle class -- are “in his wheelhouse.”
Can't wait.
Stop posting 3rd grade memes, couch.
It's an accurate reflection of the MSM's 3rd grade mentality.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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There must be a good media bashing explanation for the tear gas.
Perhaps Soros was training them how to riot.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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@Norton say - there is another elephant in the room
... the contempt that a certain demographic has for education
"book learning" it used to be called, but it has always been "You think you are better than me"
"you think just because you went to college that you know everything and you look down on people like me"
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You are not supposed to reply back in self defense of your education and the student loans that you will be making payments on for decades
instead, be ashamed that you are making five times their income and actually have a job that you like
Behold the Arrogance! Trust me, Norton, your degree isn't as important as you think it is. And neither are you. An undergrad finance? Out of the UC system? That was paid for, in large part, by the same ordinary hard-working taxpayers you now seem compelled to look down your nose at? Well done. You know, many of us actually worked our way through school without racking up unforgivable debt. (One of the best caveats Congress ever slipped into a bill, BTW.)
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Well said Lituya....!!!
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monolith
climber
state of being
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You are clueless as usual, Lit.
Norton paid for his college education by working at a gas station, and it wasn't in California.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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I saw this today and immediately thought of Cosmic :)
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2018 - 08:51pm PT
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There was no love today between President Trump at President George H.W. Bush’s funeral service & the other four living ex-presidents attending.
Wednesday's funeral service for former President George H.W. Bush served as a rare reunion of the remaining members of the presidents club, but the front-row banter among Barack Obama, Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter and their spouses came to an uneasy end when President Donald Trump and wife Melania arrived.
The encounter was a real-time illustration of the uneasy ties between the current occupant of the White House and his predecessors, suggesting Trump as a member-in-name-only of the Oval Office fraternity. While the funeral ceremony itself was a warm celebration of the late president, the relationships between the surviving presidents are considerably cooler.
The ceremony's tributes at times stood as an unspoken counterpoint to Trump's leadership, as historian Jon Meacham eulogized Bush by recounting his life's credo: "Tell the truth, don't blame people, be strong, do your best, try hard, forgive, stay the course." George W. Bush added of his father: "He could tease and needle, but not out of malice."
The late Bush was the de facto chair of the modern incarnation of the president's club, transcending contentious campaigns and party lines to bring together fractious personalities who share that rarified experience.
Trump has sought to meet the elder Bush's passing with grace, a contrast to the rhythms of much of his tumultuous presidency. He came to office after a campaign in which he harshly criticized his Democratic predecessors and co-opted a Republican Party once dominated by the Bush family.
Despite the traditional kinship among presidents, Trump's predecessors have all made their discomfort known in different ways.
"It's unusual that a cabal of ex-presidents from both parties dislike a sitting president and that's what you've got happening right now," said Douglas Brinkley, a history professor at Rice University.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-odd-man-out-as-presidents-assemble-for-bush-funeral/ar-BBQvsWg?li=BBnb7Kz&pfr=1
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Quote Here Gary,
As former poor white trash* I'm sorry that you have come on hard times. Did you lose your job? Out of curiosity what did you do? Did you lose your house? How big was it and where?
*Raised in a single parent household of 4 with annual income below $10,000 in the late 80's (plus $5,000 in child support), neither parent had more than a high school diploma and we collected cans to fund our weekly pizza night. I assume that qualifies.
We took baths on Saturday and Wednesday. Used the hand pump in the kitchen to fill a big zinc tub. Heated water on the stove. Mom got first dibs, then sister, then dad, then older brother, then me. You can imagine what the water looked like at that point! The outhouse was tough in the winter, but at least it killed the smell.
Anyhoo, I've been trying to articulate, poorly apparently, why folks left behind in the midwest voted for Trump. Sure, nothing has changed, but nothing was going to change anyway. So at least they got to flip off the Establishment.
You have forgotten your roots?
Fortunately, I got onto the last days of working unions. I had decent paying jobs with benefits and pensions. The jobs that no longer exist thanks to the GOP and Dems selling out to the big money boys.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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You have forgotten your roots?
It seems to me, the roots you describe are not the roots of "the disenfranchised Trump Voter(in general)."
It sounds to me like you were born into a family that had yet to live what is termed the American Dream. You may have been the first in the line to do so, or come near, with your union job.
Side Note: FWIW, union jobs were still going strong in WI until the mid '70's, and my younger brother still holds a good union job at Kohler in Sheboygan. He started there in the mid to late '80s, and stood on strike as Kohler wanted to reduce compensations, and then again when the time came for Kohler to fulfill it's promise of raising wages of the resultant 2nd Tier employees when "times got better." Union stood by their siblings and prevailed.
Back on: The disenfranchised "Trump Voter" - IMO - is a figment of the botnet imagination. They are young to middle age men and their women(yes, I did go there), and men who could have gone to school on scholarships and grants - could have done very well if they'd wanted to parlay their interest in video games into web development/coding and other tech venues. Could have had fulfilling work if they'd taken their family knowledge of agriculture and began working the fields in a craft style.
They are the sort of folk who strongly believe that people of color should pull themselves up from their bootstraps instead of pointing out how the system puts them in disadvantage. The type who decry "entitlements" while seemingly unable to accept that they use these same programs.
But above and beyond that - for every one real and living person who espoused those ideas, there are - I can't even imagine HOW many - bots spitting out the "Are ya with me, man?" content so those humans feel emboldened. It's a war, when the few send the many off to be killed. For what?
So - for those here on Supertopo who are pointing out the disenfranchised voter population - I have to wonder just where they fit in, today, with the population they describe?
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Cold War is coming back.
I beg to differ. We've been in a cold war for years; maybe never really left it. Now, we're tramping through the foothills on the way to things getting hot. God help us if they do.
This was why I was SO strongly for Hilary. She was THE candidate that understood what was going on; the only one capable of dancing the dance. But for f*#kityfux sake, people couldn't imagine a woman leading that dance. And, the other side knew it and used that fact to their advantage.
Pray hard that the derailing of the Trump Train doesn't leave us in a (more)vulnerable state, because that's about all that is going to save us.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Is that what they thought they were doing? Seems more like they dropped trou, turned around, and bent deep at the waste.
Oh, sure, they screwed up, but we need to understand their motivation.
Let's face it, anybody who votes GOP or Democrat dropped trou, turned around, and bent deep at the waste.
Back on: The disenfranchised "Trump Voter" - IMO - is a figment of the botnet imagination.
IMO, you are wrong. Our leadership destroyed our industrial heartland in search of short term profit for themselves.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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^ That is true, and I agree, but people were HAPPY to buy at Walmart(and still area!) all along. The time to say NO to corporate commercialism passed a loooong time ago. It's almost laughable that people "got woke" during the Trump campaign.
People still cherish their stock portfolios, refusing to ponder the fact that those papers FORCE companies to eat their own for quarterly gains.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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When it comes to bitterness and resentment, Trump voters can't hold a candle to Hillary voters. And the Bernie voters who didn't support Hillary... they're on a whole different level of butthurt.
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