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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Oct 22, 2018 - 08:55pm PT
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How anyone could come up with $5k
not just brake work, he said they had all sorts of suspension work on it. Those estimates can be mind boggling, it is much more labor intensive than brake work. Shops get away with all sorts of nonsense in wealthy zip codes. I will try to get the estimate from him, but the guy has no reason to BS me about the repair estimate, unless he was lying to me in order to justify to his wife the offing of the vehicle so he could buy a Tesla (he does want one)
If I could get the estimate it would be fun to report them to the BAR.
Trivia - cost of an oil change on a Bugatti Veyron
$21,000, the engine is a dry sump system with 16 drain plugs, most are not easy to get to. Ya think they mark up the oil too? they recommend changing hte oil annually even if the car is not driven.
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/bugatti-veyron-oil-change/
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Oct 22, 2018 - 09:58pm PT
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I would go by the manual.
Because you tow the transmission fluid should be changed every 50,000 miles. Always double check your fluid level the next morning after it's been changed.
Most of my time (40years) in the auto industry was spent in the automatic transmission industry.
I'm a little old fashion, I like to drain fluids I change.
I would only change brake fluid if you are heating up your brakes & or working them hard on hot days.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Oct 23, 2018 - 08:56am PT
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xCon that's just dumb.
I don't like over maintenance.
If you are going to skip on maintenance you had better damn well know what & why you are doing it.
She has a very nice piece of equipment & I would think she would like to keep it that way without being taken advantage of.
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James Wilcox
Trad climber
Goleta/Virginia Lakes
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Oct 23, 2018 - 09:08am PT
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Changing the coolant and servicing the transmission I'd agree with.
I'm not a fan of flushes. I never allowed those services when I ran a Toyota service dept. They're great for generating revenue but offer questionable cost/benefit to the consumer.
The idea behind changing oils and fluids on a set time or mileage schedule is you're replacing the fluid before it has started to deteriorate. When you change engine oil every 5,000 miles ideally the oil you remove hasn't degraded yet. Same with coolant and ATF.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 23, 2018 - 09:41am PT
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xCon hasn’t kept on his cerebrospinal fluid maintenance schedule.
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Urizen
Ice climber
Berkeley, CA
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Oct 23, 2018 - 10:04am PT
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I wouldn't be concerned about the brake fluid. Yes, it's hygroscopic. But you live in a pretty dry climate.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Oct 23, 2018 - 02:15pm PT
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With modern brake fluid, the only real reason it would need changing is if it's exposed to extreme & prolonged heat.
I don't replace power steering fluid.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Oct 23, 2018 - 03:01pm PT
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Oct 22, 2018 - 07:47pm PT
Came out with a 5,000 dollar estimate from Pepboys for a brake job like that.
I don't believe you .......
I am not saying I don't believe you. Isn't this the quote your friend got?
Even if they replaced the master cylinder, replaced the brake pads, and rotors, I can't see it being that much.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 23, 2018 - 04:29pm PT
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I looked everywhere for my manual before I posted this thread, and I couldn't find it anywhere, but it turns out, when I looked online again, Ford has an online service maintenance system. You plug in the year, make, model and how you use it (e.g towing), and the service intervals and recs pop up.
So I took my Ford in today for all those services I described above, plus oil change and air filter, plus smog check, and the estimate was very reasonable. It's my local Ford dealership.
I felt quite smart when I was able to say to the service rep "my mechanic friends told me to ask how you do the transmission fluid and to never let anyone do a flush". And he said, "Oh, no, we would never do a flush, there's all kinds of little particles that you can circulate everywhere and if you don't get them all out it can cause a lot of problems. We drain it, etc." He said the industry in general is moving away from flushes.
So thanks everyone! And Juan, I won't delete the thread.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Oct 23, 2018 - 05:37pm PT
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Good call on the brake fluid, IMO. It never fails - until it does. A ginormous RV towing a car demands a different level of care for the brake system. A boil-off in the mountains is a serious and real risk.
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mastadon
Trad climber
crack addict
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Oct 23, 2018 - 05:51pm PT
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I understand why some people don’t agree with using a machine to flush an automatic transmission but my question is this: by dropping the pan, how does the fluid in the torque converter get changed? A typical converter holds almost as much fluid as you’ll find in the transmission itself. Unless you have an old-school trans with a dedicated drain plug for the converter, that fluid won’t get changed.
A normal tranny flusher will remove all the fluid from both the trans and converter. With the fluid removed, you can drop the pan and change the filter then pump fresh fluid into both.
Just sayin...
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Oct 23, 2018 - 05:58pm PT
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It's my local Ford dealership.
I suppose folks get burned by dealerships. We sure hear enough about that. But I bought a 2009 Tacoma and have only had it taken care of at the dealership from day one, other than tires. Never buy tires from them.
Toyota has been fair, inexpensive, and honest. For example, I took it in recently because the A/C was getting weak. I waited about an hour, sitting at a nice desk with fresh coffee and wi-fi. The service guy came over and said the problem was an intermittent electrical connection, which made sense since sometimes it worked well and other times not. They fixed it no charge.
I was up in Fargo one time when it was due for service. They knew which service it was and exactly what to do. Too easy. My satisfaction with Toyota dealerships is 100%. Apparently Ford is cool too.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 23, 2018 - 06:03pm PT
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Then there was the time the dealer replaced the entire wiring harness.
I drove the car two blocks - same problem
Took it back
After further "analysis" turned out to be a cracked distributor cap
No adjustment
Volvo
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Oct 23, 2018 - 06:15pm PT
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Most torque converters have a drain plug, otherwise the service interval or some other special procedure in the manual accounts for it.
The problem with a flush is mostly in the technician connecting it backwards or to the wrong ports - which is well known to happen a lot. Instead of dirty out, it's dirty in.
Another problem is these days just about every maker's transmission require some voodoo special super expensive fluid - and you'd be best advised to use it. Jiffy lube probably doesn't sell it, and whatever is left from the last car that's still in that flushing machine probably isn't it either.
Most definitely drop the pan. More specifically, I always buy the OEM technician's manual for the vehicle and follow that. None of them are going to tell you to hook up a flushing machine.
Dealers - you're among the lucky if you have one that does good work and charges reasonably. I'm sure they exist, but I have yet to find one. I generally go there for parts and voodoo fluids, if I didn't have time to order off the net. No aftermarket rubbish.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Oct 23, 2018 - 07:57pm PT
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The ford motorhome tranny should not need any service if your towing it with the subaru...
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 23, 2018 - 08:00pm PT
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And rot braindead Johny needs to have his dead brain fluids recycled .....
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Oct 23, 2018 - 08:14pm PT
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They did that already with the alien anal intrusion...got 10% off with the coupon...
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Oct 23, 2018 - 08:41pm PT
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The truth is that flushing does not remove most of the fluid in the converter. I'm not wasting time on a class in why but it does not. Flushing is important during a rebuild because we are worried about metal in the cooler lines & the cooler its self.
Modern Trans Fluid is lifetime except in heavy Duty or commercial duty units. The factories have figured this into a fluid change. If your fluid is burnt there is a reason & you need to deal with that problem.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Oct 24, 2018 - 10:30am PT
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Smell test on t-fluid is good enough. There is a filter that will clog at at 200k miles, requires dropping the pan. A quick trick to check the internal condition of a tranny without dropping the pan is to pull the speed sensor (if it has one) It is magnetic and will show what metal is in your system. Very fine metal is normal, chunks is bad news.
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