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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 18, 2018 - 08:41am PT
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Actually, Degaine, my siblings and I were high achievers and our parents were anything but Ward and June.
I would like nothing more than to be optimistic about young people, but I make my living by investing in the future and if I was bad at it I wouldn't.
Even if they WERE a highly promising generation they are inheriting a damaged biosphere that may have already passed a tipping point. If that is the case then people arguing about immigration, or assault weapons, or requirements in our schools are just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Sep 18, 2018 - 12:17pm PT
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Next phase: No more tests. No more grades.
Sounds like the decades-long, taxpayer-funded, failed experiment at The Evergreen State College here in Washington State.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 18, 2018 - 02:19pm PT
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Regardless of their public speaking skills the young today better like living in their Sprinter vans in their dotage cause studies show they’re not investing for their retirement.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Sep 18, 2018 - 08:43pm PT
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Two well known climbers were on the faculty of Evergreen: Pete Sinclair (Prof of English) and Willi Unsoeld (Dean of Faculty). Both gone.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Sep 18, 2018 - 09:55pm PT
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Like teaching that young girl to stand in front of an Israeli bulldozer?
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Sep 19, 2018 - 10:02am PT
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I'm pretty disappointed with our young people; poorly educated, they hasten the decline of our mess of a country.
And who gave them that poor education? Did eight year olds wake up one day and decide, "I want to be poorly educated?"
Did eight year olds decide, I want helicopter parents?
Did eight year olds decide, I want to be the most narcissistic generation since researchers started measuring that?
Me, I'm really pretty disappointed with the parents.
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wbw
Trad climber
'cross the great divide
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Sep 19, 2018 - 11:31am PT
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It's the parents.
Part of the problem is that so many kids are getting raised in divorced situations where the parents carry a strong sense of guilt, or what they could have done better for their kids.
Then they coddle their kids out of a sense of guilt, and a desire to not have them go through more unpleasant experiences, and then the ultimate expression of that are the kids are freak out when they are forced out of their comfort level.
And it's not just legal minors. I see plenty of youngish folks who are overly sensitive, overly ready to be offended, overly entitled up to about the age of 30ish.
This is not a new phenonena, nor does it exist in poor countries where the harsh realities of life are so in your face, that the desire to never be out of one's comfort level is simply not realistic.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Sep 19, 2018 - 11:35am PT
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The role of public education is to provide opportunity, not force it.
Strong students want a challenge and will find it regardless. They sign up for harder classes, do the extra credit then enroll in the best college they can get in to.
IMO, who really cares what the weak ones are complaining about, they'll eventually settle into a job wiping butt either way. We need butt wipers too. Why make it harder on them?
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ec
climber
ca
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Sep 19, 2018 - 11:39am PT
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I find this strange, as most of these kids would not hesitate to make a fool out of themselves on social media in front of the WORLD, but skeeert and intimidated by a presentation amongst their peers. In the article, there was the complaint about time for sports, etc. I think these fools should get their priorities straight; in the long-run will their kid be in the NFL draft, or more likely to be pushing new ideas to the boss or whatever.
There is this one coworker that was terrified about doing a presentation. Having done many, I just told her to look around the room, right above their heads, and they may never know if you goof, only YOU will. They have NO idea what your going to say, so don’t obsess about it; own it.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 19, 2018 - 11:55am PT
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I told my nephew that I would contribute to the 529 plan for his kids if they got a good STEM education.
I said they don't HAVE to pursue careers in science, technology, engineering or math, but it had to be in their toolbox, because the only way that humans are going to escape their own destruction is by inventing their way out of it
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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Sep 19, 2018 - 12:40pm PT
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The torch has already been passed to Asia. China and India alone represent over half the world's population. Europe and the U.S. together only represent 8-10%. The wonder is that so few were able to dominate so many for so long. The era that began with Christopher Columbus is over.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 19, 2018 - 12:49pm PT
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And, Jan, I’m sure you will agree, that other 92% aren’t sending their kids to college to get degrees in gender studies or, in the case of a niece, a masters in how to run a dorm? Are you kidding me? All you need to run a good dorm is a high school grad E-6!
“Welcome, new students! This is your new dorm.
Any questions or problems you can take to Mr R. Lee Ermey.”
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ec
climber
ca
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Sep 19, 2018 - 01:08pm PT
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Most people can't present for sh#t.
LoL, I got ‘passed-up’ for a position where I work...they hired the guy from the ‘outside’ mainly because he was an ‘aquaintence’ of a senior manager. The guy couldn’t even adequately set-up a presentation on ‘Slide Show for Dummies’ (PowerPoint), then he did not know how to run it as a ‘slide show’ and had to present it off of the screen with the Menu Bar, etc., in full view. Then, he could never stay on topic. He was one of those who’d rather tell others how great he was in his ‘past life’.
ec
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Sep 19, 2018 - 04:12pm PT
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It seems this site is mostly populated by fiction readers but nonetheless a couple here might find these pertinent to the thread topic...
Trigger warning: They are non-fiction...
1. The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure, Jonathan Haidt (Sept, 2018)
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE5qXeb2U5c
[Click to View YouTube Video]
"When heaven is about to confer a great responsibility on any man it will exercise his mind with suffering, subject his sinews and bones to hard work, expose his body to hunger, put him to poverty, place obstacles in the path of his deeds so as to stimulate his mind, harden his nature, and improve wherever he is incompetent." Mencius
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ec
climber
ca
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Sep 19, 2018 - 06:33pm PT
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Students who support abolishing in-class presentations argue that forcing students with anxiety to present in front of their peers is not only unfair because they are bound to underperform and receive a lower grade, but it can also cause long-term stress and harm.
A person is certainly gonna underperform something at some point...that’s part of life, but not the end of the world.
Stating outright that one is bound to underperform is a defeatist attitude. Presentations take practice to perfect, so maybe the school should approach it differently where possibly it could be more ‘fun’ (interactive, require some audience participation), or team in pairs and make it less daunting.
ec
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Sep 19, 2018 - 08:11pm PT
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The torch has already been passed to Asia. China and India alone represent over half the world's population. Europe and the U.S. together only represent 8-10%. The wonder is that so few were able to dominate so many for so long. The era that began with Christopher Columbus is over.
Rome didn't fall in a day.
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ec
climber
ca
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Sep 19, 2018 - 08:37pm PT
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‘got the wrong thread, man
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Trump
climber
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Sep 19, 2018 - 09:27pm PT
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Me, I'm really pretty disappointed with the parents.
Me, I’m really pretty disappointed with the parents’ parents.
And if you care to work it back far enough, I think you’re gonna find that what you are is just disappointed about all that sh#t that’s happened in the last 4 billion years, and here we and those damn kids and their damn parents are to show for it.
And if that’s what ya wanna be, cool.
But if not .. maybe we could learn something from the kids, and try thinking a little differently, if we can.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Sep 19, 2018 - 09:47pm PT
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Forgive me not reading all of this thread, but having watched my retired wife mentor teens in Accounting, I am not surprised of their lack of interest in speaking aloud.
Which is not to say they no longer communicate.
Every week, I watch kids converse with one another through texts, Snaps, Tweets and Instagrams - all while sitting at the same table with one another. No verbal sound is uttered, but there is no denying a conversation occurred.
These are digital babies, born into a world of handhelds and smartphones. My 4 year old Grandson was holding a iPad at six months. I actually had one 12 year old tell me that talking was "soooo analog".
Strange new world a'coming.
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Trump
climber
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Sep 19, 2018 - 10:04pm PT
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Too true. I blame rock n roll. I’m tired of blaming Obama, and thought I’d try something new.
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