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johntp
Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
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Humor is the best antidote.
Kinda like
Thanks deuce. Got a few chuckles from that.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Your welcome, Winemaker.
I think our Ruskie troll has moved on to greener pastures.
Hoist a Stoli in his honor!
BAdstayaslovovichski
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Here's a photo essay of abandoned sites in Russia. I suspect a similar collection could be generated for the good ol' US of A, but I found this interesting. Some of the shots are actually beautiful, although it was pretty shocking to see the abandoned hospital outside Moscow. What a huge project to just drop!
https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2018/08/photos-of-abandoned-russia/566984/
BAd
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Wonderous decay....
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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Healthcare in the US will get much worse before it gets any better.
Healthcare is a privilege and not a right.
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Bargainhunter
climber
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The OP brings up an interesting question, similar to what many of us have contemplated. Werner, as usual, cuts through the BS and nails it. Troll or not, and perhaps he's in the throws of a manic crisis hence he's no longer responding (being charged up the wazoo in a U$A psych ward), or currently being strong armed by the Russian mafia to give up his retirement account passwords, but political corruption and risk of crime would make many of the advantages in moving to Russia simply unappealing. That being said, I have a friend who's traveling globally and works from his laptop and chooses to live there, though lately he's been spending more time in Kiev than Moscow.
Sounds like the OP wants a simpler life under his own terms. The USA is a great country in which to pursue that, just ignore the common trappings of mainstream Americana...thoughtless incessant consumerism, keeping up with the Jonses, blind commitment to living in increasingly unaffordable cities, towns, etc. US Healthcare costs are out of control, and are my largest annual expense after taxes, so I empathize there. There are many alternatives. A relative who never saved for retirement moved to Portugal and is loving it, especially the specialty healthcare consultations that cost a mere few dollars per visit.
While many scoff at these off-topic posts on the taco, I enjoy them. It's a discussion of life, just like post climb chats around the picnic table with beer in hand in Camp 4...all sorts of topics come up. In the 1980's I was staying at the AAC climber's ranch in the Tetons and climber from Poland gave a slide show on "Political Dissent Art prior to Glasnost" or something like that. It had nothing to do with climbing, and I thought it was cool.
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pell
climber
Moscow
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A bit of seriousness to the thread.
As a person who have moved back and forth and have finally found a peace let me throw a couple words. It is not an environment to make your life better it is you to make a better environment to your life. As we say in Russia «Где родился, там и пригодился» which could be translated as "One can make the most use of theirs life at the place they were born." Moving somewhere to make a shift is not a real option. The real option is to make a shift. It is all about your spirit, it is all about your will. There is no paradise on the Earth. The only way to make one's life better is to work harder. Moving somewhere for better life is kinda looser's attitude. Stay where you belong to and work hard to make your life (and life of your descendants) better.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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There is no paradise on the Earth
You haven’t been to Norway apparently. OK, maybe it isn’t paradise but it is Valhalla.
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pell
climber
Moscow
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You haven’t been to Norway apparently.
I've been to Kazakhstan. Almaty is kinda the best place to live. Although it is not Siberia where I am originated from. Thus Siberia is the best place in the known Universe.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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From The Guardian:
Donald Trump’s environmental policies may have caused controversy in the US but the president’s stance has managed to get him a literal stamp of approval from a Russian mining company.
Uralasbest, one of the world’s largest producers and sellers of asbestos, has taken to adorning pallets of its product with a seal of Trump’s face, along with the words “Approved by Donald Trump, 45th president of the United States”.
The move follows the US Environmental Protection Agency’s recent decision not to ban new asbestos products outright. The EPA said it would evaluate new uses of asbestos but environmental groups have criticized the agency for not going further by barring them on public health grounds. An article in Rolling Stone (hence climbing related because of the 'stone' mention. Maybe the 'rolling' counts too):
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-asbestos-707642/
And finally, an actual not photo shopped picture. MAGA!!!
Better one.
What can you say? Damn.
Edited to add: I suspect that Trump may not be 'science driven'.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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JB, you need to get yer homies onto the rock to stave off the dreaded Canuckian ennui.
Or introduce them to some bored housewives in W Van.
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Jim Clipper
climber
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That pallet may be the most subversive work of art, and maybe the most Soviet thing I've seen in some time.
Edit: Can I afford to get one shipped to Russ's compound?
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Karkoekstan, Former USSR
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Do they accept applications for American Refugees?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 11, 2018 - 03:34pm PT
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pell sounds like the world our immigrant forbears deliberately left behind.
We are an existentialist nation that can do anything (except make Mexico pay for the wall).
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 11, 2018 - 03:41pm PT
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I’m boning up on my Roossian for a trip there. One thing I’m willing to bet on is that the Roosky Border officers will be more welcoming than the Kanadians’ my last three trips there, but knott nearly as welcoming as that HAWT Swedish Immigration officer in June! OMG!
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