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Gorgeous George
Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
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Aug 29, 2018 - 05:39pm PT
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Oh I can think of buku reasons for not liking McCain. His choice of running mates in 2008 is legend for boners.
But, he certainly realized late in life that the extreme right was trying to monopolize the Republican party, and he did not like it one bit. That was when his true colors began to fly.
He defended Obama when they accused him of being a foreign Muslim, and worked to find a reasonable resolution to the legal limbo in which 11 million (mostly Mexican) immigrants live every day, knowing the vast majority live and work honorably to the benefit of this country.
I looked up the word "integrity" in Websters, and found John McCain under definition. Enough said.
jg
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Aug 29, 2018 - 08:12pm PT
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McCain was exceptionally stellar as a Navy fighter pilot and as a POW showed uncommon character and bravery.
As a politician he displayed none of those qualities.
RIP
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Aug 29, 2018 - 08:15pm PT
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I recall reading McCain wasn't that skilled as a pilot and was wreckless...and that wasn't from a veterans today article...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 29, 2018 - 08:16pm PT
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Well, Ward, I'd say your view is argued strongly on every aspect you mention.
As someone mentioned upthread, god help the poor soul who chooses to get into politics, especially if they operate from a good moral compass. Every one of your constituents will tear apart your actions through their own lens and judge you accordingly.
Though I had clear disagreements with McCain at many points in his career, the overall fabric of the man rises above most public servants, especially in this vitriolic partisan political day and age.
RIP, indeed.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 29, 2018 - 09:04pm PT
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McCain was reckless
But probably not wreckless
I've read all this thread and I still don't feel comfortable rendering judgment on the man
I can say the same about Malcom X
And what about Harry Truman
If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible although I don't want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances.[89]
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Aug 29, 2018 - 09:09pm PT
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What about Random Coolzip...?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 29, 2018 - 09:16pm PT
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Him too
Papa John
Elon Musk
John Denver
Jesse James
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O'Reilly, Cosby & Trump
Guilty as charged
And Sandusky
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Don Paul
Social climber
Washington DC
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Aug 30, 2018 - 06:47am PT
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He must have had that brain cancer for decades. It's the only explanation.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Aug 30, 2018 - 08:39am PT
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Zbrown....If you got em , grab em...
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)
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Aug 30, 2018 - 09:34am PT
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So tired of folks thinking that McCain was somehow responsible for the USS Forestal fire! Having served for 20 years in the military as an avionic technician on both F-4's and F-18's, I can tell you that he had nothing to do with the accidental firing of a Zuni rocket from an F-4, on the aft starboard side of the ship. McCain's aircraft was near the waist catapults and he was starting up his aircraft to prep for a weapons strike. Folks claim that he "wet started" his jet. This is caused when scheduling excessive fuel before windmilling the engine, which then ignites a large fireball out the tailpipe when ignition is started. F-4's were capable of this too. Having had a taxi/engine turn-up license myself, I played a few "wake up calls" as a prank to fellow techs and mechs. The fire ball only lasts for a second or two but is not continuous. My point in all this is that even if McCain did wet start his jet, it was no where near the F-4 that launched the Zuni rocket. Even if he was right in front of the F-4, it would take sustained high tempuratures to cook off a rocket. The Zuni was launched due to a voltage power surge when the ground power cart was used to power up the F-4. Back then, when weapons systems were less redundant and didn't require conditional electrical discretes, it only took 28vdc to launch this simple unguided rocket. Even an ungrounded aircraft can build electrostatic discharge, which might have been a factor (my added opinion, not a founded fact if the jet was grounded or not).
Rest in peace, John McCain!
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Aug 30, 2018 - 02:14pm PT
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mooch, thank you for your informative post. You always hear lots of opinion on that subject, but never from someone who actually appears to know what they're talking about.
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nafod
Boulder climber
State college
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Aug 30, 2018 - 02:23pm PT
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I can't believe anyone ever thought it was possible he could have caused it.
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)
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Aug 30, 2018 - 05:30pm PT
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I can't believe anyone ever thought it was possible he could have caused it.
This vomit spewing zygote reject thought so! Hoss The Turd Burglar felched all of his "facts" from one of his Broke Sack Mtn boys, that wasn't even there or knew anything about conditions that would cause this terrible accident. Making up shite like this pisses me off!
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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nafod
Boulder climber
State college
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Aug 30, 2018 - 06:21pm PT
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The fact that the first two bombs that cooked off had to sit right there in pools of burning jet fuel for over a minute each tells you all you need to know about whether a zuni could cook off with a momentary exposure to a cloud of burning fuel. Which never happened in the first place.
Mouth breathing morons...
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Aug 30, 2018 - 08:19pm PT
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The fact that the first two bombs that cooked off...
It helps that the bombs have a coating on them.
We had a big fire on the Shitty Kitty in '87, under the starboard catwalk next to the island. That's where they staged all of the rockets and bombs on deck. The fire filled the entire ship with smoke.
There was a giant wall of flames coming up through the steel mesh of the catwalk, cooking all the 500-pounders, Phoenix missiles, etc. The flames were 20 feet over our heads.
We manned fire hoses and sprayed the ordnance, while the red shirts ran into the flames to haul the carts of bombs and missles out of the flames.
I was really surprised that nothing cooked off, despite that giant wall of fire. Military life would really suck if missles and bombs cooked off right away with just a bit of flame.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 31, 2018 - 07:59am PT
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Hires paid mercenaries to slaughter civilians.
Causes undo deaths and suffering to millions.
Uses people and then throws them away like a used banana peel into the garbage.
Your puppet so-called American hero by you st00pid brainwashed fools.
Do not respond, don't want to hear your st00pid lame excuses .....
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 31, 2018 - 08:18am PT
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St00pid American WBraun makes a good point. Listening to NPR I expect the Pope to declare him a saint any day now.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 31, 2018 - 09:40am PT
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Seeing all the establishment types brought
together who've had epic battles , aside from a humble observance, may well have been designed with alternate intentions. Let's hope those intentions bear fruit.
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right turns made knowing that the harm was greater not lesser -
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