Does "Soul" exist?

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madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
May 16, 2018 - 06:04pm PT
The little engine that philosophized: "I think I am, I think I am."
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
May 16, 2018 - 06:52pm PT
It was Rene's cousin Ronnie Descartes who said " I stink, therefore I am".
WBraun

climber
May 16, 2018 - 07:24pm PT
The soul has nothing to do with philosophy, religion or science.

The living entity is eternally the individual soul a part parcel of the Supreme soul.

The gross materialists and their defective western materialistic brainwashed knowledge are always in poor fund of knowledge ......
moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
May 16, 2018 - 07:28pm PT
We've been pondering this for quite some time in the "Mind" thread.

Unless you are saying that mind and soul are two different things. If so, how?

Moose
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
May 16, 2018 - 08:09pm PT
^^^ I would say that "mind" is self-consciousness and the contents of consciousness. "Soul," a la Kant, is something underneath all that.

The word "soul," though is so ambiguous or vague that it's a problem. What most people mean by "soul" is akin to "mind."

For Kant, the "mind" does not survive the death of the body, because it is the body that provides the empirical data that the "I think" synthesizes into "mind." Without the flow of empirical data, the "I think" has nothing to work with and goes "dormant."
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
May 16, 2018 - 08:11pm PT
The soul has nothing to do with philosophy, religion or science.

Then you must be saying, as do all of the Eastern thinkers I've read, that what "it" is is ineffable. So, it's impossible to talk about it or express what "it" is.

The living entity is eternally the individual soul a part parcel of the Supreme soul.

Wait, but now you're going on to make positive claims about it. Now you're squarely in the realm of at least philosophy, if not the other two fields you mentioned.
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
May 16, 2018 - 08:24pm PT
the soul is how god sees you.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
May 16, 2018 - 08:31pm PT
What you perceive of as a soul is a vague awareness of the multitudes of bacterium that cooperatively animate your body. The voices you sense are but the mutterings of trillions of those microorganisms.

Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
May 16, 2018 - 08:39pm PT
Yes.
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
May 16, 2018 - 08:57pm PT
madbolter1: The word "soul," though is so ambiguous or vague that it's a problem.†. . . what "it" is is ineffable. So, it's impossible to talk about it or express what "it" is.

A conundrum.

Weíre liable to end up on this road whatever the entity weíre trying to talk about. Pick out any thing, and weíre going to have arguments or differences of opinions. Definitions appear to be dead-ends. it might be better to avoid them in our conversations.

Werner makes strong distinctions. Iím not sure heís wrong, but Iím hardly sure heís right.

Is there a way we could talk about feelings instead? :-D

Be well.
WBraun

climber
May 16, 2018 - 08:58pm PT
Since you're all academics you'll never find yourselves .....
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
May 16, 2018 - 09:25pm PT
Havenít seen one yet.
WBraun

climber
May 16, 2018 - 09:27pm PT
Then you would NOT exist at all ......
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
May 16, 2018 - 09:38pm PT
Is there a way we could talk about feelings instead? :-D

Well played, sir. You made me snort root beer.

It hurts.

There, some feelings for you.
Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
May 16, 2018 - 09:43pm PT
Ives was Channeling Me Again
(3 pounds of meat, and 80% water)

I was out there
Working the south line
On tower sixty four
In the upper canyon
When the rains came
And the lightning
And I asked myself
Is this a wise thing?
Hanging it all out there

The smell of burnt hair
And the ozone
Still it wasnít clear
When my heart had stopped
Arriving at the ER
I didnít recognize my face
Or the voice that came
Out of my throat

Ives had made it clear
I didnít belong here
Said it was not my choice
Using his name
Taking his place in the world
Who was I to think
It was ever going to be OK

As if my sanity in this world
Shamed and visceral
Would let me off the hook
So with a Vulcan nerve pinch
I checked out of the hospital room
Back to Tower 64

I swear I donít remember
Ives says I stood out in the rain
Crying that his name
Was not my own
Waiting for the thunder

My family doesnít know me
Iíve no memories or passwords
Pretending I belong here
As someone I donít know

If you see me up there
On tower 64
I was only never lonely

Itís been way too long
Now these arteries and iron grip

Remind me I was Ives the master

-bushman
canyoncat

Social climber
SoCal
May 17, 2018 - 01:24am PT
My Soul exists. It seats 5 and gets fairly decent mileage.
RURP_Belay

Big Wall climber
Bitter end of a bad anchor
May 17, 2018 - 05:08am PT
We are all stardust.

Mind has zero to do with it.
Don Paul

Social climber
Denver CO
May 17, 2018 - 06:20am PT
Maybe it does exist .... for now. Some people can never accept their mortality, though, and prefer the false promises of religions and cults. Believe whatever you want, but I think you'll be happier if your core beliefs are true.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
May 17, 2018 - 06:25am PT
We are the most evolved ďape likeĒ mammal...donít read too much into that.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
May 17, 2018 - 06:45am PT
"Most" is a dubious claim when it comes to evolution. That claim is only validated in the rear view of history.

DMT

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