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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 26, 2018 - 01:53pm PT
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I build homes for the people in the first photo with the help of the people in the second photo.
It's become more and more pervasive for some of the people in the first photo to decry the mere existence of the people in the second photo. Oddly, the people in the first photo that often, tacitly embrace nativism, tend to be the most likely to exploit the benefits of having the people in the second photo around. Often this coincides with efforts to break every safety and environmental rule that applies to our industry while incessantly complaining about wages.
The people in the second photo will be coming to a town or Crag near you. Their grandchildren will marry your grandchildren in spite of all the efforts taking place right now. It's the second Great American Migration.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Apr 26, 2018 - 02:16pm PT
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It's become more and more pervasive for some of the people in the first photo to decry the mere existence of the people in the second photo. Oddly, the people in the first photo that often, tacitly embrace nativism, tend to be the most likely to exploit the benefits of having the people in the second photo around. Often this coincides with efforts to break every safety and environmental rule that applies to our industry while incessantly complaining about wages. The majority(now) will rue the day that the minority(now)become the majority.
2050?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 26, 2018 - 03:51pm PT
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Right on Contractor. The extreme nativisim today is the last gasp of people who believe they should be privileged by birth not by merit.
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Climberdude
Trad climber
Clovis, CA
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Apr 26, 2018 - 04:01pm PT
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Spot on, Contractor!
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Apr 26, 2018 - 05:48pm PT
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It has been that way before I helped build Mission Viejo in the 70's and 80's.
Same over here without minorities.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Apr 26, 2018 - 05:53pm PT
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Take cover...Another PC grenade has been tossed....
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2018 - 06:08pm PT
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You accusing me of being PC?
I'll March right into that lawn bowling center wearing khaki mother fuker! Haha...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Apr 26, 2018 - 06:19pm PT
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Why don't you hire the lawn bowler guys to dig your ditches? They'll do it if you pay them enough. I'm sure they have a price. Everybody does.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Apr 26, 2018 - 06:27pm PT
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You accusing me of being PC?
You're a libtard with some kind of guilt-ridden class warfare hair up your a*#.
Here's your new workforce:
A fell host indeed.
Build them all a free shack in a social justice subdivision.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2018 - 06:48pm PT
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Ward, you're right about that guilt. In fact the guilt harbored by some of my friends and family is so profound, a few have married and had children with persons of Mexican heritage- clearly to alleviate the pain their race has created.
Thank you for giving me a slap of reality! And to think, I was foolish enough to believe they did it out of love...
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Apr 26, 2018 - 07:08pm PT
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Contractor, hope your not paying your workers under the table!
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2018 - 07:56pm PT
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I knew that was coming. You'd have to like Russian Roulette as a pastime to hire workers under the table these days.
Yes, I audit all my subcontractors once a year for workers comp and liability, which I carry as well. We're all visited by the Department of Labor and OSHA on a regular basis.
A fair number of the guys that I know in the industry that cheat the system are good ole boys that hate the taxman, love their toys and voted a particular way.
Look, this is no commentary, it's more of an observation.
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Apr 26, 2018 - 08:05pm PT
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Your legit Contractor, that's all we could ask of anyone!
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Odyssues
Trad climber
California
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Apr 26, 2018 - 08:12pm PT
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WOw!!!!
Contractor is such an American hero....
Yer either hiring illegals or your not. Nobody here knows.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Apr 26, 2018 - 08:13pm PT
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This is a subject very close to my heart. But, unfortunately, one about which I believe any sort of rational discussion was torpedoed years ago.
First things first: I live and work in the US, but am not a US citizen. I am here legally, and am seriously happy for the opportunity. But to achieve this status took a lot of work and was far from free.
Your country has benefited enormously from the decision to let me in fifteen years ago, and the decisions, repeated every three years since, to allow me to continue working here. I have expanded the international footprint of the company I work for, increasing US exports. And I've hired and trained half a dozen US citizens who now have jobs they wouldn't have had if I had not been allowed in.
And it works the other way, as well. Plenty of US citizens have benefited from the chance to work _legally_ in other countries.
But what does any of that say about illegal immigration? Should I be pissed that millions of people sneaked in to the US without going through the legal/financial hassle that I did? Or should I be pissed that the US has a visa system that allows white men like me to get in relatively easily, while keeping brown people out?
Are my abilities as an editor more important to your economy than the physical labor of the brown guys in the second photo of the OP?
The US, along with most other first-world countries, needs to have a serious discussion of these questions, but, sadly, I don't see much chance of that happening.
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Odyssues
Trad climber
California
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Apr 26, 2018 - 08:33pm PT
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But what does any of that say about illegal immigration? Should I be pissed that millions of people sneaked in to the US without going through the legal/financial hassle that I did? Or should I be pissed that the US has a visa system that allows white men like me to get in relatively easily, while keeping brown people out?
It actually is racial, but not for the reasons closet-bigots like to claim. Most "white", "Western" people tend to fit our job market. Also with Asians.
"low-skilled" labor is where the sh#t hits the fan. That's our SA brothers and sisters. There needs to be a queue. Plain/simple. And a wall.
Are my abilities as an editor more important to your economy than the physical labor of the brown guys in the second photo of the OP?
Depends, see above.
The US, along with most other first-world countries, needs to have a serious discussion of these questions, but, sadly, I don't see much chance of that happening.
Quite the opposite. You will not like the outcome, I know you, but there will be a decisive resolution of this f-ing conflict. It will be settled, probably in 2 weeks.
For both sides, this has to happen. The law is being twisted. Somebody needs to put their foot down. #SupremeCourt
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2018 - 09:06pm PT
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Yer either hiring illegals or your not. Nobody here knows.
My bookkeeper (wife) knows. My tile contractor let his workers comp lapse for a month and I was on the hook to pay his comp bills for that month. She'll take my balls if someone isn't legit.
Any ways, you're pretty much full of sh!t. Brownifest Destiny is heading your way, like it or not.
BTW, you ever had a good carne asada burrito?
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Apr 26, 2018 - 09:48pm PT
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Solid observation Contractor.
Disregard Ward. Notice he didn't try to distinguish your point. Just an ad hominem to attack on you personally. That's all people like Ward have left. No facts; just bias.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 26, 2018 - 10:11pm PT
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So, do we let ‘em all in? Who wants to play god?
Even the righteous Scandihoovians are cutting back, so to speak.
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