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dirtbag
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Jul 13, 2018 - 11:54am PT
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How about this Rosenstein press conference a couple hours ago. He gets up and announces freebie indictments of twelve Russians, indictments he'll never prosecute or have to defend. This at the exact moment when Trump is meeting the Queen of England and three days before his meeting with Putin.
Would there ever be a good time to make such an announcement?
You can almost always find such and such event, or meeting with so and so on his calendar, as a reason not to make such an announcement.
And no it does not compare with the announcement by Comey about hillary days before the election, and against bureau policy.
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dirtbag
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Jul 13, 2018 - 12:17pm PT
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Yep^^^
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Jul 13, 2018 - 12:59pm PT
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dirtbag
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Jul 13, 2018 - 01:06pm PT
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Lock her up!
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Tom
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San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 13, 2018 - 02:04pm PT
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Which charges prove (or even imply) the Trump campaign colluded with Russia?
Again, (YAWN) the investigation is still in progress. Further indictments and charges will be forthcoming in the future, at an appropriate time. The argument that "it has not happened yet, so it will never happen" is absurd, ludicrous, childish, and exactly what Trump wants his supporters to believe.
The only charges so far are for people who have pled guilty to lesser crimes, such as lying to investigators. Michael Flynn, for example, pled guilty to lying, because he (and his son, apparently) were facing much more serious charges. A plea bargain, by definition, allows someone to plead guilty to a lesser crime, and avoid more severe prosecution before a jury. Those guilty pleas have been announced publicly, but not what the guilty are prepared to testify in a court of law against co-conspirators.
Indictments against Russians, which are unlikely to result in any prosecution, will result in their never being able to enter the United States without risking arrest. The same situation exists for the movie director Roman Polanski, who had to stay at home when his film The Pianist won the Academy Award for Best Picture.
Trump said, "I think they like me a lot in the U.K."
Think again, Baby Man. That delusional statement is immediately refuted, and proven to be false, by extensive photographic evidence to the contrary.
Reality - 1
Trump - 0
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divad
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wmass
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Jul 13, 2018 - 02:12pm PT
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Freedom of the Press, 2018..
trump refuses a question from CNN, calling it fake news, then takes one from Fox News.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jul 13, 2018 - 02:16pm PT
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I'd like to know why the gov is wasting time with phony "indictments" against Russians when there are real criminals like Stormy Daniels out there on the loose in flagrant violation of all sorts of laws.
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divad
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wmass
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Jul 13, 2018 - 02:22pm PT
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Yes, Stormy is such a threat to our national security.
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Pennsylenvy
Gym climber
A dingy corner in your refrigerator
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Jul 13, 2018 - 02:48pm PT
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blahblah,
"I'd like to know why the gov is wasting time with phony "indictments" against Russians when there are real criminals like Stormy Daniels out there on the loose in flagrant violation of all sorts of laws. "
You aren't one of those folks whom want to make it illegal for me to bust a nut outside of wedlock are you ?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jul 13, 2018 - 03:01pm PT
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 13, 2018 - 02:04pm PT
Which charges prove (or even imply) the Trump campaign colluded with Russia?
Again, (YAWN) the investigation is still in progress. Further indictments and charges will be forthcoming in the future, at an appropriate time. The argument that "it has not happened yet, so it will never happen" is absurd, ludicrous, childish, and exactly what Trump wants his supporters to believe.
The only charges so far are for people who have pled guilty to lesser crimes, such as lying to investigators. Michael Flynn, for example, pled guilty to lying, because he (and his son, apparently) were facing much more serious charges. A plea bargain, by definition, allows someone to plead guilty to a lesser crime, and avoid more severe prosecution before a jury. Those guilty pleas have been announced publicly, but not what the guilty are prepared to testify in a court of law against co-conspirators.
Indictments against Russians, which are unlikely to result in any prosecution, will result in their never being able to enter the United States without risking arrest. The same situation exists for the movie director Roman Polanski, who had to stay at home when his film The Pianist won the Academy Award for Best Picture.
Translation - NONE
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Jul 13, 2018 - 03:02pm PT
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Which charges prove (or even imply) the Trump campaign colluded with Russia?
sigh, we have been over this so many times already.....do you not read anything?
*Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, is currently in jail awaiting trial on multiple charges relating to his relationships with a Russian oligarch close to Putin and the former leader of Ukraine, widely considered a Putin puppet.
Trump’s deputy campaign chairman, Rick Gates, pled guilty to lying to the FBI and conspiracy to defraud the United States, and is now cooperating with Mueller.
Trump’s first national security adviser, Michael Flynn, pled guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian officials, and is now cooperating with Mueller.
A Trump foreign policy adviser, George Papadopoulos, pled guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with various Kremlin-connected figures and is now cooperating with Mueller.
Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian associate of Manafort, was indicted on obstruction of justice charges.
**Richard Pinedo pled guilty to identity fraud for selling stolen identities to Russians connected to the Mueller probe.((
Alex Van Der Zwaan, a Dutch banker and son-in-law of a Russian oligarch, pled guilty to lying to the FBI about his work with Manafort and Gates, and was jailed briefly and then deported.
Thirteen individuals and three companies were indicted for their participation in a Russian scheme to conduct “information warfare” during the 2016 election in order to push voters away from Clinton and toward Trump, as well as undermining trust in the electoral system more generally.**
And now, eleven Russian military officials have been indicted for hacking into the email systems of the Democratic National Committee and various people connected to Hillary Clinton, including her campaign chairman, then disseminating the materials in carefully timed releases meant to maximize the political damage to Clinton. One of those 11, plus another Russian official, have also been indicted for hacking into the systems of state election agencies
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eeyonkee
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Golden, CO
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Jul 13, 2018 - 03:22pm PT
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Nice synopsis, Norton! I'd been behind. I'll be dag-nabbed why an American would support Trump. I'm not so much outraged as flummoxed.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 13, 2018 - 03:25pm PT
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TEdward is correct.
The total number of indictments and charges alleging that Trump or his staff conspired with Russians to defraud the United States in the 2016 election is NONE.
The total number of manned rocket flights by SpaceX is NONE.
The total number of calendars printed for 2025 is NONE.
The total number of hours that have passed since sunrise on July 15, 2018 is NONE.
The number of posts, in this topic, that are numbered higher than 4250 is NONE.
NONE.
But, not done.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jul 13, 2018 - 03:45pm PT
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Trump with Russian bear fuking him, at a recent parade in Dusseldorf.
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Splater
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Grey Matter
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Jul 13, 2018 - 04:05pm PT
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[supposed Comey quote above]
Nope, Comey had it in for Clinton ever since Comey failed to sink her when he was part of the whitewater investigation. He did say his reason for the fake leak was that he did not want to be seen as not being as aggressive against her as possible. Try to find a source other than fartspews.
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monolith
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state of being
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Jul 13, 2018 - 04:15pm PT
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Indictment says Russians start spearfishing the dnc on or about July 27. Trumps request of the Russians to find Clinton's emails was on July 27.
Coincidence?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jul 13, 2018 - 04:27pm PT
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What if it is all true.
Right down to Russia actually funding Trumps campaign.
IMO ,It won’t matter squat.
His supporters like Russians compared to Liberals.
Nothing is going to stop Trump,unless he is voted out.
The money is way too big.
Let’s just hope we have elections by the end of his term.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 13, 2018 - 06:17pm PT
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^^^me too. Trump seems to be increasingly unnerved these days by the investigation.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 13, 2018 - 06:28pm PT
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And btw, trump’s disregard of actions by Russia to sabotage our elections is borderline treasonous.
Why is that racist crook so passive?
What is he hiding?
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