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Robb
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Aloft on the wings of grace
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Feb 26, 2018 - 11:14pm PT
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Not many know of the Bath School. Read it.
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jogill
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Colorado
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Feb 26, 2018 - 11:48pm PT
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When I was a kid in 1949 I would climb the tower on the U of Texas campus every day on my way home from school. I would stand where Whitman did years later, sailing paper airplanes into the plaza below and watching the college students.
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JSJS
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Feb 27, 2018 - 01:59am PT
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Jody:
Curious why you think restricting guns would have no effect. I'm British, married to an American and it's interesting to see the different approaches to, well, pretty much everything, in the two countries. FWIW I think we get guns and health right, while the US gets free-speech and service right.
On guns, since the only school shooting in the UK at Dunblane almost 25 years ago, gun ownership has been heavily restricted and it seems to work. Gun deaths are fantastically rare here, and mostly criminals shooting each other when they occur. Why do you think this wouldn't work in the US?
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EdwardT
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Retired
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Feb 27, 2018 - 05:45am PT
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I'm not sure we should be looking at the violent crime and murder rates, for countries that banned guns. Those rates have steadily gone down since passing gun "bans", but so have violent crime and murder rates in the US during the same period.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Feb 27, 2018 - 06:17am PT
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But the rest of the entire developed world has all the same movies and games....they just don't sell AR-15s to anyone with money.
This is unjustly not fair. Poor people can't constitutionally protect themselves. Food stamps should be allowed for purchasing defense assault rifles for poor Americans and not have them just scrape by, completely vulnerable, with their Xboxes and PS4s.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 27, 2018 - 08:05am PT
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The UK is not without its share of violent crime, including gun-crime (how is that POSSIBLE in a nation with virtually no guns, so we're told???). It has not achieved anything CLOSE to "getting it right on guns," sorry to say.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/19/rising-at-increasing-rate-in-england-and-wales-police-figures-show
Of special note: "The increasingly violent nature of England and Wales is underlined by double-digit increases in types of violent crime that, although low in volume, cause significant harm and alarm. They include a 27% rise in gun crime to 6,696 offences, a 26% increase in knife crime to 36,998 offences, robberies up 25% to 64,499, sexual offences up 19% to 129,700, and stalking and harassment up 36% to 243,086 reported incidents."
And, "Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns. Knife crime has also jumped by 20% to 34,703 incidents – the highest level for seven years. The largest increase in knife crime came in London, which accounted for 40% of the rise."
In a nation with 1/6 the number of people in the US and consisting almost entirely of an island with extremely closed borders, the UK actually has worse perceived safety!
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime
These stats show that the UK isn't much better than the USA, and several stats are dramatically worse, such as "total crimes per 1000," which is three times higher than in the USA.
The USA has many more murders than the UK, but the UK has many more violent crimes that don't result in murder than the USA. By many metrics, the UK is a more violent place to live, right up to the moment that the mugger doesn't pull the trigger. By contrast, most of the murders in the USA are gang/drug related, and most of those are black-on-black murder, which is a problem that the UK doesn't have.
In short, the murder (mostly by gun) rate in just five major US cities so utterly skews our murder (by gun) stats that we APPEAR to be much more a nation of gun-murder than we really are in general. The UK doesn't have any such cities skewing their stats, yet they STILL have three times the violent crime as the USA, which indicates the fact that violent criminals don't have any fear of the unarmed population.
Take five USA cities out of the stats, and our murder rate is right in there with other developed nations, such as the UK.
In other words, the stats don't bear out the claim that the UK is a panacea thanks to its stripping the people of their right to bear arms.
If you really want to get serious about the murder rate, and END school shootings, sweeping gun control is NOT the answer. Instead, first you have to solve the murder problem in five major US cities (that's non-trivial and has nothing to do with gun-control!). Second, you have to have armed/trained cops/guards roaming the schools at all times, WITH a national ad campaign touting that fact.
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thebravecowboy
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The Good Places
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Feb 27, 2018 - 08:14am PT
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Not too sure that the kids shot down in their schoolroom [would have] care[d] too much about whether Chicago/St. Louis/Wherever "skew" us to seem like a more violent nation than we actually are. They were not in Chicago or St. Louie and they are not big numbers, you're totally right about that. But I doubt you tell me with a straight face that you place equal weight on the "gang-related" murder of a 19 y.o. dropout selling crack on the corner as you do on the in-classroom .223 perforations of some pimply cute suburban ingenue just about to deflower their first love.
Armed guards at the schools is a bad idea IMO. The kids that shoot up those places often attend them, can study how to slip through and disarm or get the jump on the School cops. The larger point is that I would not be sending my child into a world where blanket trust and need for helicopter-parent style armed lawmen is inculcated from pre-K.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 27, 2018 - 08:15am PT
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Citation, Locker? Otherwise it's just a random quote you pulled out with your butt plug.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 27, 2018 - 08:17am PT
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Do you know how to use Google, MB1?
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 27, 2018 - 08:22am PT
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Really, they need to?
Use google. It's quite simple. Just select the text, right click, search and done.
Even you can do it.
Locker, they want you to hold their hands.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Feb 27, 2018 - 08:23am PT
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locker
The "Daily wire"...
LOL!!!...
What a great source of unbiased info...
You regularly post leftwing blather.
Pot.... kettle.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Feb 27, 2018 - 08:25am PT
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geography and state gun law is now left-wing blather. got it.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 27, 2018 - 08:28am PT
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Do you know how to use Google, MB1?
As you libs are constantly telling us whenever we fail to cite a quote or stat: "Not my job."
If you're going to post a quote, then cite it.
In this case, the quote is an OPINION not about what states border what states but what EFFECT that bordering has.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 27, 2018 - 08:29am PT
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Locker, they want you to hold their hands.
I don't want Locker holding ANY part of me, now with where HIS hands have been!
Bwahahaha
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 27, 2018 - 08:31am PT
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You DOUBT it???...
Really???...
Why???...
Because, for example, Chicago's claim that the guns are all coming in illegally from neighboring states is entirely unsubstantiated.
Who's doing the "tracing" and under what circumstances?
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 27, 2018 - 08:33am PT
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^^^ ROFL
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Feb 27, 2018 - 08:40am PT
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The Washington D.C. Field Division of the A.T.F is the only agency in the country with the authority to run traces on weapons. According to senior special agent, Tom Faison, the guns found in D.C. streets come from the source states of Virginia, Maryland and North Carolina. He explained the weapons get there either through gun trafficking, thefts from homes and businesses, or "straw purchases," that's typically when someone prohibited from a buying a gun convinces someone to buy the gun for them.
but that's just like, your, ahh, opinion ATF man.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Feb 27, 2018 - 08:45am PT
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last i seen, ain't no Uzis made in D.C.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
I think that the problem is that we don't have ENOUGH guns...yeah, that's it.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Feb 27, 2018 - 08:52am PT
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If there is "no problem" with guns, why the persistence of the Dickey Amendment?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickey_Amendment_(1996);
and the Tiahrt Amendemnet?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiahrt_Amendment
"However, in delivering the majority opinion, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia wrote on the Second Amendment not being an unlimited right:
Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.[4][5]"
from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_United_States
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