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Roger Brown

climber
Oceano, California
Jan 3, 2018 - 01:19pm PT
I wonder what kind of hours those dock workers are working? If it is 12 hours with a "Hot turnover" then I can see some big money there. 8 hours at straight time+4 hours at time and a half+at least a half hour at double time. That is just week days, weekends is where it is at! It takes a special kind of person to be willing and qualified to work those jobs but they are out there. Usually just 6 days a week with foremen getting both weekend days and worker ants have to take one of them off.
Those dock workers might be earning that money:-)
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jan 3, 2018 - 02:12pm PT
Go spend a day hanging out at the Port of Long Beach/LA. Those guys and gals are earning their money.

Of course, in America the idea of rewarding hard work is unknown. Only Wall Street hustlers deserve to make big bucks.
Dave

Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
Jan 3, 2018 - 06:43pm PT
You spent a day watching dock workers work? How cute.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Jan 3, 2018 - 07:07pm PT
xCon

Social climber
909
Jan 3, 2018 - 08:06pm PT
scumbags celebrating the sabotage of their economy...

Lituya

Mountain climber
Jan 3, 2018 - 09:23pm PT
Of course, in America the idea of rewarding hard work is unknown. Only Wall Street hustlers deserve to make big bucks.

...and union reps. Of course.
Robert L

climber
Jan 3, 2018 - 10:16pm PT
n 2, 2018 - 07:33pm PT
I would like to remind anti-capitalism people that socialism failed everywhere except North Korea.

Capitalism has failed mother nature. Thus failing on a much greater scale than socialism did.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 3, 2018 - 11:53pm PT

...and union reps. Of course.

You obviously don't know any. They don't make a ton of money.


Now union EXECUTIVES.....
chainsaw

Trad climber
CA
Jan 4, 2018 - 12:40am PT
California Teachers association president was making $229,000 per year in 2009. But that number has gone up from what Ive heard....
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jan 4, 2018 - 05:38am PT
Dave:
You spent a day watching dock workers work? How cute.

I worked at the port of Long Beach. It wasn't cute. It was a very interesting place. You have no idea how the docks work, yet you seem to have made up your mind that the longshoremen aren't worth their pay.

Ken M:
Now union EXECUTIVES.....

I can only speak for the baker's union, but corporate executives make a whole lot more than the international union president.

But people would rather see those that pillage the economy rake in obscene amounts of money than see those that create the economy get their fair share.

It's quite strange. Why do so many Americans, including American workers, despise American workers so much?

chainsaw:
California Teachers association president was making $229,000 per year in 2009. But that number has gone up from what Ive heard....

The typical CEO at the biggest U.S. companies got an 8.5% raise last year, raking in $11.5 million in salary, stock and other compensation last year, according to a study by executive data firm Equilar for The Associated Press. Thatís the biggest raise in three years.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/05/23/ceo-pay-highest-paid-chief-executive-officers-2016/339079001/
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Jan 4, 2018 - 09:47am PT
scumbags celebrating the sabotage of their economy
That was funny. They went there with the story already in mind and it looks to me that they failed to find it.

I clicked through quickly and noted a complete lack of carbon fiber. I would estimate those boats value in the range of $5-20k, hardly what the elite anywhere are riding in - running on 1 cent per liter of gas...

Love the comment about the expense and lack of availability of drinking water - so they're drinking wheat bear instead- with no bathrooms. Sign me up. Bunch of 3rd world savages. Latin America is giant hell hole only a small step ahead of Africa.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Jan 4, 2018 - 10:10am PT
But people would rather see those that pillage the economy rake in obscene amounts of money than see those that create the economy get their fair share.

It's quite strange. Why do so many Americans, including American workers, despise American workers so much?

It's bizarre I agree and is most certainly rooted in jealousy.

Attacking unions these days is the same as attacking the Wheel Wrights Collective.

However, as I previously mentioned, if the trade unions aren't earning their dues by preparing and positioning their members for the coming wave of automation, they will of course cease to exist entirely in the next decade or so.

Keep up or die.

DMT
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jan 4, 2018 - 11:54am PT
Certainly society should be training people for the changes to come, but again, we'd rather finance the money pit called the Pentagon than spend it on education.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jan 4, 2018 - 12:14pm PT
we'd rather finance the money pit called the Pentagon than spend it on education.
That may be, but who spends more on education than the US, and how does that work out for us?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-global-list-study-shows/

Besides, who knows what the jobs will be in 20 years? And the skills necessary in the tech sector may not be what we think.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/12/20/the-surprising-thing-google-learned-about-its-employees-and-what-it-means-for-todays-students/?utm_campaign=buffer&utm_content=bufferde853&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_term=.5
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Jan 4, 2018 - 12:18pm PT
^^^
Don't forget the Prison Pit;

Yearly cost to incarcerate an inmate in California

It costs an average of about $71,000 per year to incarcerate an inmate in prison in California. Over three-quarters of these costs are for security and inmate health care. Since 2010-11, the average annual cost has increased by about $22,000 or about 45 percent.

Yearly cost per student K-12 education in USA;

Total expenditures for public elementary and secondary schools in the United States amounted to $12,296 per public school student enrolled in the fall (in constant 2014 15 dollars, based on the Consumer Price Index).

Stoopid Americans!
Bruce Morris

Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
Jan 4, 2018 - 12:24pm PT
California Teachers association president was making $229,000 per year in 2009

The lowest-paid CEO in the Silicon Valley in the crummiest little low-life start-em-up makes at least $280K per annum. And a PLM (product line manager) at Google, Amazon or HP makes $495K per annum plus perks. Now if you're talking about a VP at a Fortune 500 company, you're moving into a whole other league of robber baron paychecks. I've been on floors of buildings where nobody in the room would even fart for less than a dollar-and-a-quarter per hour.

Union executives are small fry in the rape and pillage salaries industry. I think the outrage is just because the lower level employee is so well insulated from what's going on in the tiers above him/her while he's trying to scrape by on less. That's where political resentments grow on trees.

It's all relative to how high up the feeding chain you're situated.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Jan 4, 2018 - 12:29pm PT
Of concern for students and parents should be the wages for executives in the UC/CSU system. This is getting out of control. Deans at the UC system have a floor salary of $165K and--get this--a ceiling of $580K! Over half a million bucks + massive bennies no doubt for a dean at a UC. And the administrative ranks are growing like cancer. Check out this table re. UC:

Credit: Bad Climber

The chancellor of my old district was pulling in about $300K + bennies. Sorry, it's a tough job, but it ain't THAT tough. The argument is that schools must pay that much to compete with the private sector--as if most of these folks could just throw out a resume and start making that kind of money. I call BS.

BAd
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Jan 4, 2018 - 01:06pm PT
Certainly society should be training people for the changes to come, but again, we'd rather finance the money pit called the Pentagon than spend it on education.

In terms of union usefulness and function, forget about society and our collective obligation to train and the obsession over American War Machine Politics. If our society did train people adequately through public resources we wouldn't have ever needed trade unions to begin with.

We tend to think of collective bargaining as the summation of union purpose and certainly that is important.

But in an ever-increasingly world of automation and change, the union worker must validate her worth, or that collective bargaining agreement isn't worth the paper it wasn't printed on.

A frequent discussion is the value of a college education. Many are choosing to forgo superfluous educational papers in, for example, the humanities, and are instead seeking to monetize their training more directly. Votec, looked down upon for much of my own life, is re-surging. It is here, directly, where unions should be pushing hard to distinguish their members and ADD VALUE. Instead of mafia-induced rip off schemes of old, trade unions should be partnering with municipalities and corporations and serving as the glue to revitalize rust belt and other disadvantaged communities, through specialization.

I think Germany stands head and shoulders above other countries in adopting this approach. And unions in particular, imo, should be actively recruiting these partnerships and then training up the members to fulfill the labor needed to pull it off. Everyone wins this way.

So the gap in education caused by the deficiencies in the public edu resources in America become the stepping stone by which trade unions can re-surge along with heartland business in general.

DMT
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jan 4, 2018 - 01:10pm PT
Can't disagree with anything you wrote. If the nation won't do it, then workers, rather than they are union slugs, management drones or small business men need to do it.

Yet, something has to band all these people together.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Jan 4, 2018 - 01:14pm PT

Yet, something has to band all these people together.

Yep. And I am suggesting the union leaders should be at the forefront of this given this wave of automation and change we all know is coming, instead of sitting back and waiting for the pink slips.

Pick a town, pick an industry and specialization, then go recruit the town and the businesses and build the partnership by providing incentives for both town and business and labor to partner, collectively. Wins all around and union leadership gets to actually lead.

Cheers
DMT
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