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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Totally get your point, Jim. Isn't there a one-a-day limit on white tail in several states? I hear they are really good eating.
BAd
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say... oh my, i did not know this ,as to the kelp die-off, either...
also, as to this
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This has been a long time coming. Overharvesting over the years and pollution have been reducing the allowable areas for taking abs over the years. It gives the abs a break to re-populate, if that is possible.
oh my, i sure hope than CAN re-populate... :(
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Dec 10, 2017 - 03:17am PT
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We need to be doing, right now, what Trump has been doing for decades: defrauding people with "truthful hyperbole" (his term for lying his ass off).
Purple sea urchins are displacing the abalone's food, kelp. This is not just a problem for abalone, but for all sea creatures that depend on the kelp forests. The purple urchins' normal predators, like otters, starfish and sheepshead, are scarce these days. Divers, all along the coast, are being urged to smash the purple urchins with a hammer to get rid of them.
There is a better way to deal with them, though. All we have to do is follow the example of Fearless Leader.
To Wit:
Some people, especially foreigners, like to eat certain types of sea urchins. But, apparently, not the purple kind.
So, the trick is to, well, trick those people into purchasing tons and tons of "top quality urchins, the best urchins in the world; they're Trump quality urchins because they're stamped TRUMP URCHINS". By the time they open the box and find out what they've got, it's too late.
Problem solved.
Either that, or let the abalone come back on their own. They reach reproductive age at about seven years, so they will be slow to recover, no matter what.
There is a local abalone farm that grows them in tanks. After several years their shells are almost as big as a playing card, and they get harvested. Abalone are sea snails, and snails are SLOW to grow. A legal wild red abalone is probably a dozen years old, maybe more.
So Cal divers are urged to kill purple urchins to restore kelp forests
Abalone Starving Due To Kelp Forest Depletion and Purple Urchin Population Explosion
I remember being able to find them in tide pools at low tide. That was a long time ago.
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Dec 10, 2017 - 09:21am PT
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BAd. They are delicious. I grew up eating quite a bit of whitetail. Pretty sure VA has a six tag limit, which includes some doe days.
xCon. Hilarious.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Dec 10, 2017 - 04:05pm PT
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We go to an annual Ab Feed north of Jenner every August. The last two were grim, especially the 2016. The shells were large, the abalone inside was not. They were not even trying to hide, not enough energy I guess. Quite sad.
Giving them a break to try and replenish is probably well warranted.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Dec 10, 2017 - 10:28pm PT
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^^^^^^^
There was some sort of disease that was affecting the abalone a few years ago. I think it was related to sea star wasting disease, which might explain that the abalone were, in effect, shrinking inside their shells, instead of filling them out.
Bottom line: adverse pressure on abalone populations has drastically reduced their numbers off the California coast. Shutting down the abalone sport fishery for a year seems like a reasonable thing to do.
What about harvesting and selling those purple sea urchins? If there is an overgrowth problem, that is adversely affecting the kelp and the abalone, why not sell them as gourmet food? Why are the red sea urchins expensive delicacies, and the purple sea urchins considered worthless trash?
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Dec 11, 2017 - 08:58am PT
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Is this a purple sea urchin? Found it in Baja, no idea what it is. Other than squishy.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Dec 11, 2017 - 09:03am PT
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^^^ sea cucumber
^^^ couch potato
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Chris Cunningham
Trad climber
San Francisco
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Dec 12, 2017 - 12:41am PT
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The sport abalone harvest ban has been in process for years; how do you drag Trump into this?
As a regular ab diver, I can assure you that there are abalone all over the north coast of Cali. Legal size abalone have been widely reduced in several heavily harvested areas; which is where the Cal DFW/marine scientists do their population surveys. But abalone, like people, experience their greatest fecundity at the early part of their lives. Abalone over 8" contribute little to total abalone reproduction.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Dec 28, 2017 - 07:33pm PT
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A Chula Vista man who owns a seafood company was fined $15,000 Dec. 18 and ordered to forfeit $500,000 in proceeds stemming from his illegally importing abalone from Mexico without specifying from where it came.
“The U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, along with our agency partners, will work tirelessly to dismantle wildlife trafficking schemes, and ensure that those engaged in the illegal black market are held accountable,” said Dan Crum, the Assistant Special Agent, who added that the agency investigates unlawful commercial trafficking and smuggling of protected animals and plants.
His invoices had a phony company in Mexico with a fictitious address. The value of the abalone was estimated at $3 million and it was imported through the Otay Mesa Port of Entry.
Abalone is a highly regulated species in Mexico as two of the four species of abalone are listed as endangered under the Endangered Species Act. Without a proper commercial invoice listing a Mexican vendor, it is impossible to know if the abalone was lawfully caught.
There are six specific zones where abalone can be caught on the west coast of Mexico, and each zone has a specific fishing season. There is also a catch and size limit
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surfstar
climber
Santa Barbara, CA
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Dec 28, 2017 - 08:19pm PT
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Hooray for the ban!
Seriously.
Overfishing is devastating and widespread.
I got my g/f (now wife) into climbing, she insisted I get SCUBA certified. We take photos and memories, don't really like [eating] fish, but enjoy exploring their world.
Diving Anacapa island, the contrast is stark between the MPAs and fishing zones.
I'm still hoping for a lab-grown protein that can be made to taste like whatever animal we want, that is cheaply produced. That will do so much for easing the worldwide pressure on our natural resources.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Dec 28, 2017 - 08:54pm PT
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There ya go: to-food.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 28, 2017 - 09:02pm PT
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I'm still hoping for a lab-grown protein that can be made to taste like whatever animal we want,
That's st00pid, you don't want to eat any dead sterile sh!t like that.
It will fuk you up;
All grains with milk provide perfect protein without any violence and are so agreeable to humanity and are already there.
Except to those who have too much bad karmic backgrounds.
They are lactose intolerant and suffer and will not get to eat nice healthy foodstuffs .....
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Dec 28, 2017 - 09:33pm PT
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That's why I am lactose intolerant? Wtf?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Dec 28, 2017 - 09:34pm PT
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Sliced bananas on top, too.
Thank you, thank you, Salathé sadhu.
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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Dec 29, 2017 - 08:53am PT
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Won't stop the poaching which is a big problem thanks to high prices in the black market. :(
I do not know why the prices are so high. It is easy and cheap to by them online since there are over a dozen large farms on the Ca coast. You can even get them shipped next day delivery. They are fresh and still kicken. You can even get the small ones which are more tender. The illegal market for abalone makes no sense to me. I know it is there and I have seen and know people that poach, but I always ask why. The risk is high. Online prices are fairly cheap.
In the few years that I dived it seemed like they were coming back but if the waters are warming it will be very hard on them.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Dec 29, 2017 - 01:16pm PT
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I'll add my source:
http://catalinaop.com
These guys also sell uni (and it's some of the best I've ever had). So they are helping with the kelp forest issues a little bit.
Farmed abs are great. I usually get some for SushiFest.
Good thread
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 29, 2017 - 09:29pm PT
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I'm amazed at the very sustainable and economic farming of abalone.
It's a great model.
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JerryA
Mountain climber
Sacramento,CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2018 - 06:58am PT
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California Fish & Game Commission has decided to continue the state recreational abalone fishery closure through April 2021 .
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