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JerryA
Mountain climber
Sacramento,CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 8, 2017 - 08:28am PT
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No 2018 sport abalone diving in Northern California per California Fish & Game decision yesterday . What's Trump done to us now ?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I’m sure the abalone are happy. As a kid I could go down to the cove beach at Corona del Mar and score 8 inchers by just walking around in thigh deep water and feeling under the rocks. Those were the days!
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Climberdude
Trad climber
Clovis, CA
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No Trump involved. This has been a long time coming. Overharvesting over the years and pollution have been reducing the allowable areas for taking abs over the years. It gives the abs a break to re-populate, if that is possible.
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JerryA
Mountain climber
Sacramento,CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 8, 2017 - 09:28am PT
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Everything used to be Obama's fault & now it's Trumps. The Twenty-eighth Amendment says buck stops there .
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Won't stop the poaching which is a big problem thanks to high prices in the black market. :(
I think this is true for a lot of property crimes. I favor much stronger penalties: Confiscation of boat and auto used in commission of crime, for example.
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splitclimber
climber
Sonoma County
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I think it will help stop the poaching because now if anyone is snorkeling in the water with a tube, it will draw the attention of CDFW. Before they had to either do a sting or constantly do surveillance on suspicious divers.
It will definitely hurt the local coastal economies here in Sonoma and Mendocino.
I love me some abalone but boy it sure is sketchy to dive for them.
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Trump wouldn't approve of a ban, he's all for rape and pillage. Abalone have become increasingly scarce and need restriction if they are to survive, or at best to allow a harvest. When I was a kid we used to go over north of Jenner at low tide and, waist deep, pry them off the rocks with a tire iron.
Incidentally, I had a "squid steak", just a slab of Humboldt squid, breaded and fried abalone style and it was very similar. And there was lots of it! And if you live down there, it's cheap.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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I've always said there otter be a law.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Abaloneee Farm Aid
Blue Oyster cult headline ing.
Arellano-Felix used to 'own ' the Baja trade
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Let the otters and the abalone wage their ancient dance. Abalone divers can find something else to do...first world problem if ever there was one.
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gruzzy
Social climber
socal
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Hip hip hooray for Trump if it's true! (Never thought I'd say that). I'm sure I didnt
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Great, now only the criminals will have abalone...
Don't they know regulating something NEVER works? ;)
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Absolutely untrue. In 1900 the whitetail deer population in the US was estimated ro be 500,000. Hunting regulations have allowed the population to rebound to over 15,000,000.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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But most of those are immigrants from Canada, Jim. :0)
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Jim is correct. Antelope numbers have rebounded, too. I understand the white tails are up to "pest" levels in many areas.
Poachers are a huge problem with the abalone. I have a good friend who testified to get some scumbags prosecuted.
BAd
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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BAd...I think the deer would argue that the suburbanites are the pests.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Abalone reproduce through proximity insemination which is why Trump has become a champion of the Abalone.
I remember throwing out Abalone because of freezer burn in the 70's. Regulations would have saved the fisheries in Southern California.
As it is, the future of lone, isolated Abalone is to live out their lives trifling out their semen on their way to extinction- again Trump can empathize...
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Withering foot disease, kelp loss, poaching. Abalone decline is in part, a consequence of things that will affect us all.
So go the otters and polar bears, but they are more cute. Maybe we'll care more about those.
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Donini, though I also side with the deer, in my old home state of VA the deer population is huge. Without many mountain lions (I say many because we once tracked one in the snow years ago) and other natural predators there a ton of them. During hunting season when they are spooked out of the woods, it is like bolling for deer. With cars.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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WTF? Deer eat abalone?
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Totally get your point, Jim. Isn't there a one-a-day limit on white tail in several states? I hear they are really good eating.
BAd
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say... oh my, i did not know this ,as to the kelp die-off, either...
also, as to this
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This has been a long time coming. Overharvesting over the years and pollution have been reducing the allowable areas for taking abs over the years. It gives the abs a break to re-populate, if that is possible.
oh my, i sure hope than CAN re-populate... :(
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Dec 10, 2017 - 03:17am PT
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We need to be doing, right now, what Trump has been doing for decades: defrauding people with "truthful hyperbole" (his term for lying his ass off).
Purple sea urchins are displacing the abalone's food, kelp. This is not just a problem for abalone, but for all sea creatures that depend on the kelp forests. The purple urchins' normal predators, like otters, starfish and sheepshead, are scarce these days. Divers, all along the coast, are being urged to smash the purple urchins with a hammer to get rid of them.
There is a better way to deal with them, though. All we have to do is follow the example of Fearless Leader.
To Wit:
Some people, especially foreigners, like to eat certain types of sea urchins. But, apparently, not the purple kind.
So, the trick is to, well, trick those people into purchasing tons and tons of "top quality urchins, the best urchins in the world; they're Trump quality urchins because they're stamped TRUMP URCHINS". By the time they open the box and find out what they've got, it's too late.
Problem solved.
Either that, or let the abalone come back on their own. They reach reproductive age at about seven years, so they will be slow to recover, no matter what.
There is a local abalone farm that grows them in tanks. After several years their shells are almost as big as a playing card, and they get harvested. Abalone are sea snails, and snails are SLOW to grow. A legal wild red abalone is probably a dozen years old, maybe more.
So Cal divers are urged to kill purple urchins to restore kelp forests
Abalone Starving Due To Kelp Forest Depletion and Purple Urchin Population Explosion
I remember being able to find them in tide pools at low tide. That was a long time ago.
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Dec 10, 2017 - 09:21am PT
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BAd. They are delicious. I grew up eating quite a bit of whitetail. Pretty sure VA has a six tag limit, which includes some doe days.
xCon. Hilarious.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Dec 10, 2017 - 04:05pm PT
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We go to an annual Ab Feed north of Jenner every August. The last two were grim, especially the 2016. The shells were large, the abalone inside was not. They were not even trying to hide, not enough energy I guess. Quite sad.
Giving them a break to try and replenish is probably well warranted.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Dec 10, 2017 - 10:28pm PT
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^^^^^^^
There was some sort of disease that was affecting the abalone a few years ago. I think it was related to sea star wasting disease, which might explain that the abalone were, in effect, shrinking inside their shells, instead of filling them out.
Bottom line: adverse pressure on abalone populations has drastically reduced their numbers off the California coast. Shutting down the abalone sport fishery for a year seems like a reasonable thing to do.
What about harvesting and selling those purple sea urchins? If there is an overgrowth problem, that is adversely affecting the kelp and the abalone, why not sell them as gourmet food? Why are the red sea urchins expensive delicacies, and the purple sea urchins considered worthless trash?
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Dec 11, 2017 - 08:58am PT
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Is this a purple sea urchin? Found it in Baja, no idea what it is. Other than squishy.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Dec 11, 2017 - 09:03am PT
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^^^ sea cucumber
^^^ couch potato
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Chris Cunningham
Trad climber
San Francisco
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Dec 12, 2017 - 12:41am PT
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The sport abalone harvest ban has been in process for years; how do you drag Trump into this?
As a regular ab diver, I can assure you that there are abalone all over the north coast of Cali. Legal size abalone have been widely reduced in several heavily harvested areas; which is where the Cal DFW/marine scientists do their population surveys. But abalone, like people, experience their greatest fecundity at the early part of their lives. Abalone over 8" contribute little to total abalone reproduction.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Dec 28, 2017 - 07:33pm PT
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A Chula Vista man who owns a seafood company was fined $15,000 Dec. 18 and ordered to forfeit $500,000 in proceeds stemming from his illegally importing abalone from Mexico without specifying from where it came.
“The U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, along with our agency partners, will work tirelessly to dismantle wildlife trafficking schemes, and ensure that those engaged in the illegal black market are held accountable,” said Dan Crum, the Assistant Special Agent, who added that the agency investigates unlawful commercial trafficking and smuggling of protected animals and plants.
His invoices had a phony company in Mexico with a fictitious address. The value of the abalone was estimated at $3 million and it was imported through the Otay Mesa Port of Entry.
Abalone is a highly regulated species in Mexico as two of the four species of abalone are listed as endangered under the Endangered Species Act. Without a proper commercial invoice listing a Mexican vendor, it is impossible to know if the abalone was lawfully caught.
There are six specific zones where abalone can be caught on the west coast of Mexico, and each zone has a specific fishing season. There is also a catch and size limit
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surfstar
climber
Santa Barbara, CA
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Dec 28, 2017 - 08:19pm PT
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Hooray for the ban!
Seriously.
Overfishing is devastating and widespread.
I got my g/f (now wife) into climbing, she insisted I get SCUBA certified. We take photos and memories, don't really like [eating] fish, but enjoy exploring their world.
Diving Anacapa island, the contrast is stark between the MPAs and fishing zones.
I'm still hoping for a lab-grown protein that can be made to taste like whatever animal we want, that is cheaply produced. That will do so much for easing the worldwide pressure on our natural resources.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Dec 28, 2017 - 08:54pm PT
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There ya go: to-food.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 28, 2017 - 09:02pm PT
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I'm still hoping for a lab-grown protein that can be made to taste like whatever animal we want,
That's st00pid, you don't want to eat any dead sterile sh!t like that.
It will fuk you up;
All grains with milk provide perfect protein without any violence and are so agreeable to humanity and are already there.
Except to those who have too much bad karmic backgrounds.
They are lactose intolerant and suffer and will not get to eat nice healthy foodstuffs .....
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Dec 28, 2017 - 09:33pm PT
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That's why I am lactose intolerant? Wtf?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Dec 28, 2017 - 09:34pm PT
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Sliced bananas on top, too.
Thank you, thank you, Salathé sadhu.
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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Dec 29, 2017 - 08:53am PT
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Won't stop the poaching which is a big problem thanks to high prices in the black market. :(
I do not know why the prices are so high. It is easy and cheap to by them online since there are over a dozen large farms on the Ca coast. You can even get them shipped next day delivery. They are fresh and still kicken. You can even get the small ones which are more tender. The illegal market for abalone makes no sense to me. I know it is there and I have seen and know people that poach, but I always ask why. The risk is high. Online prices are fairly cheap.
In the few years that I dived it seemed like they were coming back but if the waters are warming it will be very hard on them.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Dec 29, 2017 - 01:16pm PT
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I'll add my source:
http://catalinaop.com
These guys also sell uni (and it's some of the best I've ever had). So they are helping with the kelp forest issues a little bit.
Farmed abs are great. I usually get some for SushiFest.
Good thread
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 29, 2017 - 09:29pm PT
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I'm amazed at the very sustainable and economic farming of abalone.
It's a great model.
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JerryA
Mountain climber
Sacramento,CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2018 - 06:58am PT
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California Fish & Game Commission has decided to continue the state recreational abalone fishery closure through April 2021 .
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 13, 2018 - 07:03am PT
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Good...Sea Otters depend on Abalone for survival, humans don’t...share the planet!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Dec 13, 2018 - 08:01am PT
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If you are stupid enough to go into the woods in Southern Illinois during deer hunting season you'd see just how much of a pest clueless suburban hunters are. Between St. Louis, Chicago and Indianapolis, it's hard to say whether the suburban hunters are bagging more deer than other hunters.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 13, 2018 - 09:08am PT
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^^^ Imagine the carnage there if they were allowed to use rifles!
Saw abalone on the menu recently so it would appear they are being farmed.
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Dec 13, 2018 - 09:26am PT
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Is this about the Fish's trip to Tel Aviv?
no mas eh?
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Dec 13, 2018 - 10:01am PT
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Especially raw fish
TMI
edit: seriously Moose if the season opens, I'll pay for gas if you want to get abalone. Anyone ever tell you about raw Uni? The Japansee have talked about the feel of food being part of the taste.
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