Climbing's folk heroes: who are they and why do they qualify

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BLR

Trad climber
Lower Eastside
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 15, 2017 - 01:13pm PT
Supertopoians:

I'm gathering "data" for a piece about climbing and the American folk idiom.

I'm interested in your take on climbing's folk heroes. Do we have any? If so, who are they and why do they qualify? W/respect to a taxonomy, use your own, but consider using these folks as models: Sports: Babe Ruth, Josh Gibson, Jim Thorpe, Billie Jean King, Muhammad Ali. American frontier: Davy Crockett, Daniel Boone, Billy the Kid. Modern: Abbey and Peacock. More than mere badassery, right?

Caveat: I may excerpt soundbites. If I'm interested in doing so I'll ping you for your permission and if you go by a screen handle, to request the name you use on your driver's license. If you have no interest in being quoted, stay your pixels.

As usual, let fly. Looking forward to viewing your thoughts - .gifs included. Many thanks in advance.

Brad Rassler
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 15, 2017 - 02:35pm PT
Since it's a rainy afternoon in Choss Creek, I thought I might contribute.

To share some more definition of "Folk Hero" I want to quote Wikipedia on the subject:

A folk hero or national hero is a type of hero–real, fictional or mythological–with the sole salient characteristic being the imprinting of his or her name, personality and deeds in the popular consciousness of a people. This presence in the popular consciousness is evidenced by its historical frequency in folk songs, folk tales and other folklore; and its modern trope status in literature, art and films.

Although some folk heroes are historical public figures, many are not. The lives of folk heroes are generally fictional, their characteristics and deeds often exaggerated to mythic proportions.

The folk hero often begins life as a normal person, but is transformed into someone extraordinary by significant life events, often in response to social injustice, and sometimes in response to natural disasters.

One major category of folk hero is the defender of the common people against the oppression or corruption of the established power structure. Members of this category of folk hero often, but not necessarily, live outside the law in some way.

In the list Brad furnished at the start of this thread, he mentions Billie Jean King & (Doug) Peacock as Folk Heroes. It is appparent that Wikipedia disagrees: It appears Folk Heroes have to be deceased to be Folk Heroes & I agree with Wiki on that point.

Soooooo- I nominate Royal Robbins, Fred Beckey, Sheridan Anderson, & Warren Harding, as easy first picks for climbing Folk Heroes. All fought adversity, tried to do right, lost some fights, won some fights, were "larger than life" & left great legends behind.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 15, 2017 - 02:38pm PT
BURT BRONSON

There can be no other.
Barbarian

climber
Nov 15, 2017 - 02:45pm PT
Frost. Do you need to ask why?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 15, 2017 - 03:13pm PT
Barbarian,
"Just a minute, pilgrim."

If Frost, then why not Chouinard? The two together pushed limits, both had their own visions. They changed things so that even dolts like me could climb more effectively and safely, etc.

And let's not forget the true dolt, Bill Dolt, handsome actor handsome, his life much more meaningful than his untimely and tragic death.

(I like the OP's Abbey/Peacock pairing, by the way.)

edit: "dolts like us!"
clode

Trad climber
portland, or
Nov 15, 2017 - 03:20pm PT
How about Dan Osman and John Bachar?
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 15, 2017 - 04:05pm PT
And then of course, there is the folk hero, Baron Von Mabel & his trusty sheep Bob. Or??? Do they need to be co-heroes with Sheridan Anderson?


Oplopanax

Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
Nov 15, 2017 - 04:13pm PT
Johnny f*#kin Dawes
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Nov 15, 2017 - 04:29pm PT
Salathe.
Harding.
Eichorn.
Largo. Well someday, he's not dead yet :-)


Edit: Why do they qualify? They are all legendary figures in climbing, and their personalities are larger than life.
kief

Trad climber
east side
Nov 15, 2017 - 04:35pm PT
The first name that comes to mind that hasn't been mentioned yet is Bridwell. Definitely larger than life and definitely a legend in his own time.
Ben Harland

Gym climber
Kenora, ON
Nov 15, 2017 - 04:48pm PT
I think these are two strong motifs for any climbing folklore:

1. A climber that isn't seen and may not exist, but there are stories about things that they've done. John Gill, Jim Holloway(?)

2. Somebody puts up a death route. There is a period where stories incubate while the route remains unrepeated. Then the hero arrives to slay the dragon. I'm thinking about Hank Caylor and the Southern Belle, but maybe Gullich going after Bachar-Yerian? There must be other examples.
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 15, 2017 - 05:11pm PT
Dr. J

He blew the competion away

AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Nov 15, 2017 - 05:12pm PT
Walter Bonatti
Conrad Kain
mudrock

climber
Eastside
Nov 15, 2017 - 05:33pm PT
Norman Clyde. I imagine he will endure as an American climbing hero due to his long dedication, high ambition, record of success, personal style, and not least his choice of playing in the High Sierra rather than a more obscure venue.

nah000

climber
now/here
Nov 16, 2017 - 01:57am PT
this has been a fun question to consider... upon reflection and a first stab, for myself a folk hero has, at their essence, two commonalities: purported larger than life/mythical quality that to some degree or another probably sometimes outstrips their actual relative abilities/accomplishments and a heroism/myth that has been developed/transmitted as much through non-establishment sources as it has been through the establishment ones.

ie. while there are many [north american] climbing "heroes" [bachar, robbins, chouinard, most of the lowes, hill, etc and etc] there are fewer heroic climbers for whom the largesse of their stories and myths has been contributed to at least as much through word of mouth, around campfires, etc as they have been via establishment pathways... for me here are a few [and i'm ignoring the american component of your request] climbers who jump out as "folk heroes", rather than "just heroes":

harding: the quintessential anti-establishment dude... i don't even know who to compare him to, cause he was [at least to many north americans] the damn original... he was the substance of punk before the aesthetic of punk was even an apple in anybodies eyes.

bridwell: while he was written about in the rags for sure, he also always seemed to be the bad ass behind the scenes guy who would have taken down names and addresses rather than just their numbers. the kind of guy you wouldn't want to piss off in a back alley and who though you might have followed behind to fight a guerilla war with, probably wouldn't have had any interest in being a five star general.

beckey: the johnny appleseed of climbing. except most of the stories about and reported sightings of beckey were/are true.

croft: dude starts to become pretty close to just a straight up "climbing hero"... but still, his purported near sainthood and the whispers of "croft did what?" through the decades makes him another still living member that pops into mind. [for the record: i personally assume, given the snow white quality to his purported hat, that the actual reality involves him running a dog fighting ring in his basement while spitting betel nut juice on a dirt floor and drinking a home brew swill brought in via mexican cartels]

guy edwards: this is probably more a canadian climbing folk hero. but anybody with the purported and actual record of naked ascents and bad ass almost completely unreported adventures will likely never die as long as climbers tell stories. or at least to the canuckistanian ones who give a shIt about these ventures.

buhl: now we're getting to the big uns. in the same way johnny cash could never have been the establishment even if he was at times by all outward indications the epitome of the establishment, buhl walks the line, at least to me, on just the near side of the folk hero vs just hero line.

kurtyka: to at least a few north american alpinists he's some kind of wierd combination of the devil and jesus. his didn't complete his most famous ascent, yet most would consider it impeccable. he bucked the climbing norms of the day, never chased after competing the 8000m tick list and wrote very little [in english] yet he remains one of the most revered to any alpinist that gives a shIt about the history of that game/art/pursuit.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Nov 16, 2017 - 03:19am PT
Well this challenge needs to be addressed
but time dose not permit

OK, FAST BUT MORE LATTER

Fritz Weissner, Hans Kraus, Kevin Bein,
there are others . .
Those who still pursue the hiest of history . . .as compared to the way that they , those three told it ...
So the folklore. . .
Richard Goldstone Knows and has remained a pure climber.

and all the other Richards , a full quiver of dicks if you will
Romano And Williams to name just a few . . .
Of course there are others. . .(Hot Henry Barber!?)
All the Johns, & Two Jims at least; McCarthy and Donini. . .
But, John Stannard & John Gill
HAVE (MOSTLY*) RISEN TO THE LEGENDARY STATUS OF THE ULTIMATE ROCK STARS

* as they are still with us and post regularly here at our mexican food truk
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 16, 2017 - 04:46am PT
Do they still tell around the campfires of the home run by Chuck Cochran that won the day against the Park Rangers?
norm larson

climber
wilson, wyoming
Nov 16, 2017 - 04:58am PT
Lots of good names already here. For me Beckey, Kurtyka,for sure and what about Johnny Woodward? Lots of storied climbing from that guy.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Nov 16, 2017 - 05:23am PT
Climbing is not an activity that really generates heroes. Athletic prowess and risk taking does not make a hero. Climbing is essentially a selfish form of recreation, not a lot of social good coming from it. Coonyard has made a mark with his unique approach to corporate social consciousness. There are a few other singular events come to mind, Greenpeace protests, cracks painted on Hetch Hetchy dam.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Nov 16, 2017 - 05:34am PT
Jon Beck : Your allusion to the great Joe Healy Is Noted And confirm'd as a hero to some. . .

Edit:
For sure TOBIN
DEREK HERSEY (Sp?)
&
YES!!
YABLONSKI
climber bob

Social climber
maine
Nov 16, 2017 - 05:45am PT
Daryl Hatten, Bill Denz
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 16, 2017 - 08:42am PT
Hermann Buhl

He was Messner before Messner.

And don't forget Norman Clyde.
Darwin

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 16, 2017 - 09:13am PT



Patey and Brown(!alive!). Pratt. Those three figured in most/all climbing stories in my formative climbing years. I guess Whillans. (my bias to rocks and away from mountains shows)


Porter should qualify, but I don't think he's on many people's radar.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 16, 2017 - 09:31am PT
Patey from Olde Blighty and Harding - they put the ‘f’ in folksy.
ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Nov 16, 2017 - 10:56am PT
Warren Harding: Plenty of classic stories of his exploits on and off the rock, true badazz, vision to see the line up El Cap.
Bachar: Legend status around the world. Strong ethic standards. Helped develop technology that changed the standards in climbing. Light years ahead of his time with the Bachar/Yerian.
Lynnie Hill: She's Lynnie! "It goes boys!"
Alex Lowe: one of the BEST all around climbers, modest, good person.
Jim Bridwell:..........
Peace
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 16, 2017 - 11:17am PT
I would also nominate Sir Edmund Hillary for the work he did in Nepal.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 16, 2017 - 11:36am PT
Sheesh!

It takes THIS long!




ROBBINS & KOR!
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Nov 16, 2017 - 12:18pm PT
Yo Toker! I couldn't believe that either.


the reasons that the few who make the cut do is the way that those few flew below the radar, were more obscure, I love our Heros , Folk hero co-notates a less documented (in writing) type of glory; to me any way.
The earliest driven climbers ... those inspired souls who had to climb, for there to be life. . .
couchmaster

climber
Nov 16, 2017 - 01:33pm PT
Mark Hudon

Libby Sauter

Tom Frost


These folks and their types of people are heros. Not because they are excellent climbers, although there is that as Sauter currently co-holds the woman's Nose record I believe, but that they are excellent human beings who reach out to others in need and shine a solidly bright and positive light all the rest of us turds can try and follow.

They go out of their way to make the world a better place...and they climb. Add Neebee to the list even if she doesn't climb.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Nov 16, 2017 - 01:44pm PT

Jacques Balmat: "On studying Mont Blanc from the top of Brevent, Balmat had sensed that climbing the snowy slope to the right of the Rochers Rouges might lead to the top. That is where he now headed. Despite his youth, he displayed a mature experience on snow and he was obviously sure-footed. Since it would have been too dangerous to angle across the face in an effort to join the upper slopes to the east, he headed straight up, cutting little holds with the iron tip of his alpenstock. Thus he arrived above Rochers Rouges; just ahead, a gentler, safer slope led toward the summit. But already he could see Courmayeur in Italy - an extraordinary moment of victory! It could be argued that from that moment Mont Blanc had been tamed. Unfortunately, a spherical cloud known as the "dunce cap" had clemped down the mountain, and Balmat did not know exactly where the summit was. He decided to head back down. Step by step he redescended the gigantic ladder of ice. Night caught up with him, and he knew that a large crevasse waited below. Suddenly, he took the most heroic decision of his career - he would spend the night on the glacier, something that had never been done. Without realizing it, Balmat expanded the range of tactics for conquering Mont Blanc. He proved that a night on a glacier was not lethal.
But what a night! A cold sleet fell, and Balmat had no bivouac gear. He spent the night sitting on his leather sack, clapping his hands and stamping feet, not letting himself fall asleep, demonstarting amazing will power. Altitude and fatigue drove him closer to a sleep from which he would never awaken. It was his fourth consecutive night out-doors - two on the rocks in his previous attempt, one climbing the mountain from below, and now this one!
In the morning, he briefly considered heading back up, for victory was in his grasp. He no longer had the strength, however, and could hardly see. He headed back down into the valley, went home, ate, shut himself in the barn and slept for twenty-four hours.
Balmat kept his attempt secret. One day, he learned that Dr. Paccard had decided to mount a new expedition. Paccard was a dangerous rival; he had already conducted several reconnaissance trips, was affluent, and enjoyed a considerable reputation. Jacques Balmat sensed that if he made the ascent entirely on his own, no one would believe him. The whole valley would be against him out of jealousy, and everyone else out of spite. On the other hand, if he climbed with Paccard, he had an unimpeachable witness, whose word no one would doubt. Balmat went to Paccard and told him about the route. Paccard certainly had a great deal of respect for Balmat, since he was drawn to the adventurous nature of the young man, born in 1762 (the year Saussure first launched the idea of climbing Mont Blanc). The two men saw eye to eye. Paccard devoutly wished to climb Mont Blanc. He reckoned that the success of a local man would redound to the credit of the whole valley, and he proved to be right." (Roger Frison-Roche and Sylvain Jouty)

Melchior Anderegg: "When Anderegg was born in 1828 just outside Meiringen in the hamlet of Zaun, mountaineering had barely started. His father was a farmer and Melchior’s early years were dominated by traditional mountain activities: tending cattle, cutting and processing timber and hunting chamois. The latter activity, along with crystal hunting, gave Swiss guides the kind of physical skills and self-assurance that translated easily into guiding work.
Melchior, for reasons lost to history, didn’t take over the family farm. Aged 20, he took a job at the Grimsel Pass Inn, now flooded by a reservoir, possibly because his cousin was manager. His early guiding work is also lost, because his first führerbuch, the book in which his guiding jobs were recorded, was stolen.
In 1855, Thomas Hinchcliff, one of the founding members of the Alpine Club, hired Melchior to take him over the Strahlegg Pass and was impressed. He introduced Melchior to his friends, notably Leslie Stephen, author of the mountaineering classic The Playground of Europe, father of the novelist Virginia Woolf, and founding editor of the Dictionary of National Biography. All three men climbed the Wildstrubel together, and in 1859, Stephen and Anderegg climbed the Rimpfischhorn, a major first ascent.
The list of Melchior’s significant new climbs is remarkable: the Grandes Jorasses, with Horace Walker, the Zinalrothorn with Stephen and F Crauford Grove and the Dent d’Hérens, again with Grove and several others. Most impressive of all was the first ascent of Mont Blanc’s Brenva Spur, although it was a good job that his less cautious cousin Jakob was in the lead for the crux ice ridge. Melchior always put safety ahead of success.
Charles Hudson, who died following the first ascent of the Matterhorn, said Melchior was “for difficulties, the best guide I have ever met.” Yet it wasn’t just Melchior’s mountaineering skill that endeared him to his many English friends. Tall and powerful he combined all the advantages of great strength – physical and mental – with a reserved courtesy and consideration for his clients."

Francois Devouassoud: "Francois Devouassoud was admitted to the Compagnie des guides de Chamonix in 1849. Amongst those who sought his services in the Alps were Freshfield, W. A. B. Coolidge, Francis Fox Tuckett, Horace Walker, Adolphus Warburton Moore and Charles Comyns Tucker. Devouassoud was treasurer of the Compagnie des guides de Chamonix for ten years, but refused the post of president.
Claire Engel offers the following portrait of Devouassoud, based on the account of Freshfield: Devouassoud loved exploration and always felt at home in the mountains, whether in Sikkim or Algeria or on the Rowenzori. Though he started guiding very early, in 1849, he knew how to manage a rope and how to proceed on snow slopes. He was able to save the lives of several of his employers. He was at his best on ice. But this grave, refined man, who had a keen sense of humour and taste for culture, was not only an excellent leader on a mountain, he was an ideal companion on long expeditions."

Hermann Buhl: "The life of the parents is the book their children read. There are those who are always destined to go first. Their path is a lonely one, surrounded by unknown obstacles and dangers, yet they never lose their confidence. One of these men was Hermann Buhl. His vision was called Nanga Parbat, an 8125-meter peak in Pakistan. It turned into his mountain. Seven expeditions had already failed,and its snows had become a grave for thirty-one climbers. The Austrian reached the summit in 1953, without the use of supplemental oxygen, after a legendary solo climb. He was the first human up there, and for a moment, he got to see the world as only the Gods can. Then he went back to the world of people." (Alpinist.com)

Pierre Allain: "And to tell the truth it isn't solely with an eye to mountain routes that we visit Bleau and climb there, it's above all because we make a game of it, one that in and of itself arouses our passion. It's good training? All the better, but even if that weren't the case, for the majority of us nothing would have changed. Every week we would find ourselves, just as assiduous, just as persistent, climbing a route that resisted our assault, and just as satisfied when it finally succumbed through our efforts and technique. Like the games played in stadiums, there is rivalry among climbers, a friendly one, but a rivalry none the less. If, leaving the classics, we venture so far as to try one of "Cuvier's last great problems," and after many a "go" one of us triumphs over this prestigious four or five meter first ascent, he is momentarily just as proud as he would be had he just succeeded on some new route up the flanks of some great alpine summit. Whereupon, his friends get worked up for the second, the third, etc.
That's of no interest, you say? Perhaps, but the same goes for the tenth of a second taken off the time for the hundred meters, or the extra kilo lifted overhead by the weightlifter – a car or a crane can do much better! To this passion for climbing, we can add the pleasures of camping and the benefits of thirty hours of clean air, during which, forgetting the cares of the office, workshop or sales counter, each Saturday we find once again and with the same intense satisfaction – you might even say the same need – the special atmosphere of our rocks and its group of habitués. This is where we often work out our summer projects and dare to speak of certain bogeymen, considering such ventures natural, even if it means revising our judgment once in the field, in accordance with a formula I have long made my own – audacity in conception, prudence in execution."

Walter Bonatti: "At Chamonix in August of 1964, I was almost out of both vacation time and climbing partners. Not wanting to hang around in town, I volunteered to carry supplies up to the Leschaux Hut for Dougal Haston and John Harlin, who were to attempt the then-unclimbed ice face, the Shroud, on the Grandes Jorasses. A spell of improving weather was drawing a galaxy of climbers to the Leschaux Hut. Apart from Harlin and Haston, Pierre Mazeaud and his Italian partner Roberto Sorgato were there for the Walker Spur, as were Walter Bonatti and his Swiss partner Michel Vaucher, who were to attempt the unclimbed Pointe Whymper. (Years later I learned that Rene Desmaison and partner were bivouacked out in the nearby boulders, hoping to steal a march on one team or another). I was in awe of all these guys - they were legends in their own time. Bonatti was known to British climbers not only for his stunning ascents, but very much for the tragedy on the Central Pillar of Fresnay. That story had riveted not only the climbing world, but all of Europe. And of course Pierre Mazeaud had been with him on that climb and horrific retreat, where four of the party of seven died. They appeared to have a very friendly rapport. Mazeaud, quite the soul of the party, was handing out cigars to everyone. Bonatti and Vaucher seemed to emanate calm. As people turned in for bed, the mood in the hut was apprehensive. History was in the making. I was so gripped that I don't think I slept - and all I had to do was walk down to the valley in the morning. I was wide awake when Bonatti leaned over to Vaucher and said: "Michel, c'est l'heure." "Oui," came the reply, and with that they packed their sacks, took a swig of water, and were away. Later that day I scanned the face, but saw no sight of them. Down in the valley, the talk was all off the worsening weather and what was happening on the Pointe Whymper. None of us then knew of their epic struggle, with cut ropes, rockfall, and injury. But once again Bonatti prevailed. I have never forgotten those hours at the Leschaux Hut, nor Walter Bonatti. They changed my life." (Chris Jones)

Anderl Heckmair: "To climb in the cleanest and smoothest way possible - that was my desire. How others climb is their business, and nobody else has the right to interfere. Most people abide by rules because they want to be accepted. I was only truly content when I succeeded in completing a climb the way I had envisioned it. Naturally, there is satisfaction when a climb is acclaimed by the experts, but basically, this was not as important to me as the recognition by my friends."

Armand Charlet: "[He was] head and shoulders above anyone else. His name has been associated for almost fifty years with the toughest climbs in the range of Mont Blanc. All those who have been with him in the mountains have been struck by his impressive, almost tragic face, his intelligence and culture, and above all by his speed and poise when climbing" (Claire Engel)

Gaston Rebuffat: "We should refuse none of the thousand and one joys that the mountains offer us at every turn. We should brush nothing aside, set no restrictions. We should experience hunger and thirst, be able to go fast, but also to go slowly and to contemplate."

Bruno Detassis: "Climbing can only be explained as a great passion. I obviously wasn't devoted to the mountains continuously; I had to work, I had a family—just like everyone else—but I felt this great passion burning inside me...and I gave it my time with enthusiasm. I didn't like using too many pitons, and so I needed ability and preparation. I was always prepared, and I only ever attempted what I felt capable of climbing free. I loved free climbing: it gave me an indication of my possibilities. Free is a source of great satisfaction for climbers: it's a yardstick of personal ability. And I always searched for this, in all my routes. I always interpreted liberty as being one thing, while the submission to someone else's commands — which I never liked — was something completely different. And so, when facing wars, when facing suffering, I always tried to smile. Perhaps this is my true life force."

Lional Terray about Bruno: "L'homme le plus noble que j'ai jamais rencontré"

Joe Brown: "Excerpts from Tom Patey's "The Legend of Joe Brown" quoted from memory, I remember there was more...
Like a human spider clinging to the wall,
suction, faith, and friction, nothing else at all...
Watch him grin when the holds are thin,
on the overhanging wall, he's known by every nig-nog as the man who'll never fall...
But the secret to his success is his most amazing knack,
of hanging from a fist jam, in the over-hanging crack..." (Watusi)

Jo Montchausse: "I don’t appreciate confrontation or competition very much, but I am fascinated by the challenges that make it possible to know oneself better, to assert one's convictions and to realize oneself. Pure block, high balls, dynos or traverses are only conventions that allow us to express ourselves, to renew ourselves, to distinguish ourselves from others and these conventions in time, are sensitive to fashion. I have tried everything with passion, but the taste for risk and dynos requires qualities that do not last long in a climbing career, my turn is over. Traverses may seem less prestigious because the difficulty is not concentrated on one or two extreme movements, but on a long series of difficult movements. The appreciation of the difficulty is ultimately very subjective: Usain Bolt or David Rudisha, solo drums or solo piano, adrenaline or lactic acid?"

Voytek Kurtyka: "Mountaineering is a complex and unique way of life, interweaving elements of sport, art and mysticism. Success or failure depends on the ebb and flow of immense inspiration. Detecting a single rule governing this energy is difficult – it arises and vanishes like the urge to dance and remains as mysterious as the phenomenon of life itself."

Bjørn Myrer Lund: "During the years I started climbing, the stories connected to three Norwegian climbers were the strongest fascinations or motivators. The three were Arne Næss Sr, Peter Wessel Zapffe and Bjørn Myrer Lund. Among them the Myrer Lund stories were strongest, be it Myrer Lund leading the slopy and not well protected route Sunset Boulevard (7) at Kolsås, feared by everyone else, or Bjørn coming tumbling down Terroristen at Dalbokollen. Wherever Myrer Lund went, the stories were growing. Bjørn is Mr Kolsås-Eastern-Wall himself, living close to the cliff and often seen there climbing. He has spent the last years recovering after nearly losing his life during a 2012 climbing expedition. From what I've heard, he's recovering well." (Marlow)

Patrick Edlinger: "A late evening in 1984: The Norwegian Broadcasting Center is showing the film "With life hanging from the fingertips". The film shows Patrick Edlinger, a strong, blond French climber with a headband who climbs without a rope 200 meters above the ground on a high limestone wall in Buoux, Provence. A fourteen year old kid from Hurumlandet, Norway, is sitting in front of the TV screen. He is about to be seriously shocked. And after a while also inspired, though he still don't know. Edlinger's stoical, uncompromising, indian and nearly mystical creature, the characteristic well schooled climbing style with high footmoves and turnout, his white hands, his own laconic French voiceover, the light blue, nearly transparent limestone, the wind, breath, the sky. The soundtrack of the film turning dry, creaking, cold, minimalistic, the courage close to pure madness. Everything about the film is deeply fascinating for the 14 year old kid and the images are burned into his memory and body. He sits as stuck to the screen. He is able to set the new VHS machine on record. After one week he has seen the film around 70 times." (Geir Harald Samuelsen)

Catherine Destivelle: "Catherine was predestined. She began taking to the mountains at a young age. At 12 she was already a member of the French Mountaineering Club and, as a true Parisian (she was born in Algeria), she started climbing in the Fontainebleau forest, where most of France’s best mountaineers have spent time in their formative years. In 1973, aged just 13, she asked her father to go and see the Oisan massif. He accompanied her to La Grave and collected her 10 days later. She had done everything on her own. At 16 she repeated the Voie Couzy - Desmaison on Pic d'Olan and Voie Devies - Gervasutti on Ailefroide Occidentale. Then came the early 80s and brought with them a new wave of climbing of which she became a main player. In 1985 she was the star of the first climbing competition at Bardonecchia. A success that she repeated in the next two competitions. In those first competitions she was the woman to beat, along with America’s Lynn Hill and Italy’s Luisa Iovane. During these years, she was also a prime player at the crags. As the first female she climbed a 8a+. The year was 1988, the crag Buoux and the route was the legendary Chouca first climbed by Marc Le Menestrel. In 1990 she made a solo ascent of the Bonatti Pillar on Petit Dru in 4 hours. Next up was the first female solo ascent of the three great North Faces of the Alps: Eiger in 1991, Grandes Jorasses in 1993 and the Matterhorn in 1994. In June 1991 she also established a new route up the Petit Dru, needing 11 days to breach aid climbing difficulties akin to the impossible (and aleatory) A5. In 1994 she summited Shisha Pangma (her only 8000er), and in 1999 she made a solo ascent of the dizzying Hasse - Brandler route on the North Face of Cima Grande di Lavaredo in the Italian Dolomites." (PlanetMountain)

"We are now all sitting on top of the narrow summit, our legs dangling in the abyss. Catherine is beaming, obviously happy simply to be there...."

Heinz Mariacher: "Climbing enriched my life like no other activity. Climbing and mountaineering are a wonderful school of life: it’s a path that has heart and soul. I have never been an extraordinary athlete—at best I was more open-minded and mentally less limited than most climbers in my surroundings—but that didn’t matter, because climbing was a very personal challenge. It was like a second life lived within a different world; it was a lifestyle, a philosophy, and a form of meditation. My approach to the mountains and climbing was organic because it served no other purpose than to enjoy life and freedom.
I've been around on the rocks for a very long time, such a long time that I still had the opportunity to climb with some of the pioneers of classic freeclimbing in the mountains, long before the spread of modern sport climbing.
The mindset and enthusiasm of my predecessors was very close to my own and I don't think that today's generation feels that much different. Even if climbing has become very popular and is getting transformed to a real sport, there are still young and enthusiastic climbers who are seeking the unknown and are fascinated by the original spirit, by the idea of personal freedom far from the limits and regulations of a mass society."

Patrick Berhault: "20 years old he had already shown signs of becoming an exceptional climber; who had displayed remarkable levels of fitness and proficiency by climbing some of the hardest routes in the Verdon valley in heavy mountaineering boots. Following his adoption of rigorous training (and a pair of lightweight rubber rock-climbing boots) in 1978 he was transformed from an exceptional climber into one of the greatest.
By 1979 he was leading rock climbs of a technical difficulty never achieved before on long, multi-pitch climbs in France. Their grades ("7a" and "7b") are still regarded as highly difficult, even by top climbers armed with modern high-performance footwear. More remarkable still was his ability to climb solo, unprotected from the consequences of a slip, up routes only just below his roped leading ability. He not only achieved this with control and style, but also at great speed - a characteristic that would become something of a trademark throughout his climbing career.
Berhault began linking hard rock-climbs, soloing up one and then, to the horror and amazement of onlookers, descending another, before carrying on up an adjacent one. He soon took this skill into the Alps, climbing long, serious mountain routes in unprecedentedly fast times, such as the North Face of Les Droites in five and a half hours, a route which normally took days, not hours, and required bivouacs. Berhault's seemingly out-of-this world speed and stamina would subsequently earn him the moniker "ET".
And, like his cinematic alter ego, Berhault soon took to the air. He began employing hang gliders to link hard alpine climbs on different mountains in so-called enchaînements. In 1981, together with Jean-Marc Boivin, he climbed the South Face of Le Fou, and then flew to the base of Les Drus and climbed it by the difficult American Direct route, thereby linking two test-piece climbs in a single day. The practice would later grow into something of a competitive fashion among the leading players of the day but, as ever, Berhault had been a trend-setter.
By the mid-Eighties Berhault found himself to be just one star in a rapidly expanding galaxy of extreme climbers who became French household names. The exploits of such luminaries as Patrick Edlinger, Jean Marc-Boivin, Christophe Profit, Patrick Gabarrou, Pierre Beghin and Catherine Destivelle became ever more outrageous and daring and were boosted by exposure on television, newspapers and magazines, as the non-specialist media took an increasing interest in the activities of these apparent supermen and women.
Paradoxically, Berhault remained unimpressed by the cult of celebrity, and was happy to let others, such as his great friend Patrick Edlinger, take the brunt of the limelight. Most notably Berhault was unconvinced of the validity of "competition climbing" - the professional circuit of stage-managed artificial climbing courses which developed into a lucrative spectator sport in many parts of mainland Europe. Just before the official organisation of competition climbing began Berhault was among a group of 19 prominent climbers who were concerned about the effects of commercialisation on their sport and signed a "manifesto" deploring the initiative. But, when competition climbing became a successful business, he remained the only signatory not to succumb to the lure of prize money. "I'm not prepared to sell myself for financial gain," he said: The most important thing is friendship, freedom, your immediate environment and the love you have for what you're doing. If money is not put in its proper place, it takes on a very bitter taste."

Lynn Hill: "What a mission! Never before - neither as a journalist or as a climber, have I known such an excitement, on the verge of being nervous. I googled wildly to read me up on her achievements, she who became immortal in climbing history more than 20 years ago when I was just a kid who climbed. In retrospect, I have tried to analyze this trembling excitement of meeting a 54-year-old, light gray-haired lady who is the mother of a pre-teen, and the conclusion is: This is about feelings, not about reason. Lynn Hill's career and achievements touches us deep into the roots of something mysterious and magic that makes climbing so special and causes people to cultivate the vertical as a way of living. Lynn Hill was one of those who opened a new land for us others. She represents something to stretch for, something to dream about, something of the greatest inspiration." (Sindre Bø)

"For me, free climbing the Great Roof of the Nose was an opportunity to demonstrate the power of having an open mind and spirit. Though I realized that I could easily fall in my exhausted state, I felt a sense of liberation and strength knowing that this was an effort worth trying with all my heart. I had a strong feeling that this ascent was a part of my destiny and that somehow I could tap into that mysterious source of energy to literally rise to the occasion. (…) The Nose was much bigger than me, it wasn't about me, it wasn't about my ego, my gratification it was actually something that I wanted to do.”

"It goes boys!"

Wayne Merry: FA of El Capitan: "Merry, a seasonal ranger and naturalist, joined Harding after the first winter when members of the initial assault team quit for various reasons.
Letters in soup cans. "We were scared to death half the time," said Merry, who stuffed love letters to his fiancee in soup cans and hurled them off the wall. "There were days I didn't know what I was doing up there." Merry's primitive form of air mail worked. He and his wife, Cindy, will be celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary in the spring. The climbers had ample reason to worry. At one point a hemp rope snapped just after Harding had climbed it, prompting the climbers to switch to nylon for the rest of the trip. A ledge near the top is now known as the Glowering Spot because it is where Harding's partners found him glowering after being hit in the head by a piton. During the final push, Harding drilled 28 bolts into the 100-foot-tall overhanging summit headwall. The 14-hour burst of energy allowed the three men to reach the top and make history. "It stunned the whole world and sent a shock wave through mountaineering," Duane said Friday. "The Europeans came into the valley after that achievement and the emphasis on mountaineering shifted. For that brief shining moment, Americans were the best climbers in the world...
Merry went on to start the Yosemite mountaineering school and rescue team and now lives in British Columbia." (Peter Fimrite, Yosemite Climbing Association, Nose Reunion Nov. 2008)

Jim Donini: "Having climbed with Jim in the early seventies I can assure you that he is human. He is also one of the most focused climbers I have ever known, and that focus has warped into the myth. That said, I had huge amounts of fun in Yosemite with him, and learned to become a better climber because of him. In retrospect, I see that he has taken many climbers under his wings over the years, and enriched many lives by sharing his climbing prowess. He is an excellent example of what humans become with focus, knowledge, and a love of life." (C4/1971)

No heros, more like fascinating role models...
BLR

Trad climber
Lower Eastside
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 16, 2017 - 06:08pm PT
Thanks, all. Wonderful stuff.

Not sure how much more life this thread has, but additional thoughts/questions for future posters based on what I'm learning:

1. Alive or dead? Folklorists I've interviewed thus far consider the living fair game. (Many of you have anted up plenty of 'em.) Examples of historical American folk heroes who were legends in their own time: Davy Crockett, Bonnie and Clyde, Jean Lafitte. Fast-forward to 2017: the hacker community venerates their best and most notorious - Kevin Mitnick, for example. I'd argue that both John Muir and Fred Beckey qualified when they were alive. Jan Conn - not yet mentioned - still lives. Does this symbol suggest folk heroism, or am I off-base here?


2. Barely known and seldom-seen local and regional heroes certainly qualify, due to climbing's former club culture, and concentration of communities around particular climbing areas, especially before the advent of the road trip, well-distributed climbing guides, the Internet, etc. I especially liked the Gill and Holloway mentions but how about folks like Mt. Woodson's Rick Piggot? Way better-known, but what about New Hampshire's Guy Waterman?

3. Wouldn't route names provide a clue here - especially the ones named by others for key protagonists?

4. Folklorists pay as much attention to how legend is transmitted as to the legend itself, favoring stories passed down person-to-person because all stories morph, and the telephone game phenomenon is important to researchers of this stuff. (Apparently they analyze the delta between the original and current versions of a legend.) Formal written accounts - biographies, memoirs, films and video snippets, etc, are salient, but only as a point of departure for additional peer-to-peer storytelling and sense-making. (Example: the Patterson-Gimlin Bigfoot film.)

So think about how you heard about some of these legends. Around a campfire or picnic table? That's where a real folklorist would be collecting data.

5. That said, some folklorists are positing that content shared on social media threads and Supertopo-like forums are fair game for research. Check out Dwight's post on this Holloway thread, which seems to me to be of the sort that might be interesting to a current or future climbing folklorist: http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2152890/Jim-Holloway

6. Folk heroes crystallize the culture -- the norms, symbols, customs, beliefs, fears, etc -- of the community that swaps stories about them. So another way to think about this is, who most exemplifies the culture of the community? Anti-heroes fair game.

7. Would love to hear from folklorists, or English profs, historians, cultural anthropologists reading this. If you're not inclined to chime in here, please ping me @ brad@sustainableplay.com

8. Thanks again for the input. I've always appreciated this community.

9. Right back at ya, Tami. The world's climbing folk heroes now in play.
ryankelly

climber
Bhumi
Nov 16, 2017 - 06:21pm PT
Where will your article likely be published?

Our folk heroes deserve quality publications
aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Nov 16, 2017 - 06:32pm PT
Tenzing, Hillary's companion would have to qualify as one for the Tibetan people. I agree Lynn Hill.

Back in the late 60's one of the old timers said that John Gill was "The Paul Bunyan of Climbing". He posts here in such a down-to-earth way, but doing hard bouldering a generation ahead of his time.

Lastly, Chuck Pratt who embodied the best and the highest of that era.
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
Nov 16, 2017 - 06:34pm PT
Barely known and seldom-seen local and regional heroes certainly qualify


I presume that these would be hard to learn about.

I first saw Steve Arsenault in the late 60s across a table at Emil's, a legend itself, at the Gunks. It wasn't the few stories I was told about him that impressed me. It was something in his presence that I can't define.

I also met and climbed a little with Guy Edwards. Again, if you could capture such a person in words, I'd love to see it.


Usually when Fred Beckey's name appears I think of what John Krakauer said in the Outside piece titled Warning: Fred Beckey is Still on the Loose.

"Fred long ago stripped his life to its chassis."
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 16, 2017 - 06:36pm PT
Fred Beckey
Warren Harding
Reinhold Messner
Lynn Hill
John Bachar
Royal Robbins
Galen Rowell
Norman Clyde
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 16, 2017 - 10:03pm PT
John Otto
Harvey Carter
Kor
Jim Beyer
Jay Anderson
Jeremy's mom
silvia vidal
dave turner
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Nov 16, 2017 - 10:11pm PT
John Lauchlan
Guy Lacelle
Jean-Marc Boivin
Xaver Bongard
WyoRockMan

climber
Grizzlyville, WY
Nov 16, 2017 - 10:14pm PT
Barely known and seldom-seen local and regional heroes certainly qualify

Jim Kanzler
Brian Leo
Dougal McCarty
The rest of the Dirty Sox...
Bill Dockins
Jack Tackle
Pat Callis
Dwight Bishop
Todd Cozzens
Stan Price

...
and of course Alex.



EDIT: All of these characters had a significant impact on SW Montana/N Wyoming climbing. Their names are on all the prime lines and most of them are still "sporty" despite advancements in technology and the proliferation of "stronger" climbers.


nah000

climber
now/here
Nov 16, 2017 - 10:24pm PT
blahblahblah on a couple more:

guy lacelle: if you've been even a semi-serious ice climber in the last thirty years, you probably know about some of his feats even if you aren't sure exactly what his name was and you never read a word directly written about him.

kor: meant to mention him in my first post. basically climbing's answer to paul bunyan. heard he was 7'6" tall and if you weren't fast enough while seconding, he just hand over hand hauled you up... ha! but mostly, the legend lives on because when you go climb one of his routes, you have no choice [in many instances] but to Respect the paths he blazed so many moons ago.

Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Nov 16, 2017 - 10:31pm PT
since you ask us intardwebs,

Batten
JdF
Prowsolo
Wilson
Lostarrow
hamie

Social climber
Thekoots
Nov 17, 2017 - 12:25am PT
Hey Darwin

You appear to suggest that Brown, Patey and Whillans were more interested in rock climbing rather than mountaineering. Not so.

Brown made the FA of Kanchenjunga, the 3rd highest peak in the world.

Patey made the FA of Mustagh Tower and Rakaposhi.

Whillans made the FA of the south face of Annapurna, and made two attempts on the SW face of Everest.

.................


I nominate Pete Schoening for "The Belay", when he held 6 falling teammates high on K2, and saved 7 lives, including his own. Legendary.

Another vote for Bridwell.
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Nov 17, 2017 - 02:52am PT
WyoRockMan, we should visit for a spell
WyoRockMan

climber
Grizzlyville, WY
Nov 17, 2017 - 07:26am PT
Everyone on my first list was influential and/or historical for the region. At some point, whether it was on a climb or just for brief moment they all were MY folk heros. After going through this thread again, I'll reduce my list to two, in order to limit it to the community's folk hero.

Alex Lowe- For the constant stoke and cutting edge. Drive...

Jack Tackle- Once we were able to get to Hyalite or the Gallatin Canyon, we’d occasionally run into the other local hardmen (and women), but Jack… Jack was always on a big mission somewhere, never seen by us kids. At times we’d question whether he even existed. We knew he must, a Marmot ad with him boiling water in a light bivy somewhere in the wilds of Wyoming, ripped out of a magazine hanging on the bedroom wall was proof.




hooblie- ilive4rx at yahoo
JerryA

Mountain climber
Sacramento,CA
Nov 17, 2017 - 07:32am PT
Which North American climbers are mentioned the most often in this forum ? Is that a measure of their folk status ?
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Nov 17, 2017 - 07:38am PT
Egads people!

Have we mentioned...

BURT BRONSON?!?!?!
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Nov 17, 2017 - 07:59am PT
justthemaid - look upthread, post #3.
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Nov 17, 2017 - 08:01am PT
Thanks- I did scan the whole thread. Missed it somehow- of course he was an early frontrunner lol
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Nov 17, 2017 - 09:24am PT
John Muir
John Salethe
Chouinard
Robbins

Harding!!

Rowell

Alex Lowe

Mugs Stump

Beckey

so many. It could be a museum in Washinton DC!
steve s

Trad climber
eldo
Nov 17, 2017 - 09:39am PT
Pete Cleveland, Jim Erickson, Bill Russell
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 17, 2017 - 09:49am PT
Peter..of Peter and the wolf fame
Gollum
Darth Vader
BLR

Trad climber
Lower Eastside
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2017 - 03:44pm PT
The piece will run in Alpinist 61.
ryankelly

climber
Bhumi
Nov 18, 2017 - 08:12am PT
Dan McDevitt - Yosemite
originalpmac

Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
Nov 18, 2017 - 10:31am PT
Michael Covington. Lives in a tipi. One of the greats. Very nice man.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 18, 2017 - 01:20pm PT
way too serious so far... how about

Gabriel "Gabe" Walker?

ec

climber
ca
Nov 18, 2017 - 02:33pm PT
2nd on Layton Kor. Reasons: goes without sayin’

Hermann Buhl

Buhl is the mountaineer to have made the first solo ascent of an eight-thousander. His climbing partner, Otto Kempter, was too slow in joining the ascent, so Buhl struck off alone. He returned 41 hours later, having barely survived the arduous climb to the summit, 4 miles distant from, and 4,000 feet higher than camp V. Experienced climbers, upon hearing later of Buhl's near-death climb, faulted him for making the attempt solo. Regardless, his monumental efforts, along with spending the night untethered, on the edge of a 60-degree ice slope, standing on a tiny pedestal too small to squat upon, have become mountaineering legend. Hermann Buhl is still considered by alpinists and mountaineering historians to be the most complete and advanced mountaineer of his time. Buhl can be considered a pioneer of Alpine style mountaineering in the Himalayas, a style defined by light-weight expedition gear, little to no fixed ropes and the relinquishing of bottled oxygen.
dee ee

Mountain climber
Of THIS World (Planet Earth)
Nov 18, 2017 - 07:29pm PT
Jesus effing Christ!!!



Norman Clyde
ec

climber
ca
Nov 18, 2017 - 07:44pm PT
Already mentioned in post 16...
nah000

climber
now/here
Nov 18, 2017 - 08:07pm PT
JerryA... that's an interesting question. based on the conversation that has been generated about them [rather than just by them] here are a few, what i'd argue and in no particular order are, supertopo folk heroes:

bachar
cosgrove
harding
sacherer
tucker tech
chongo
yabo
tobin
braun
preuss
robbins
walling
bvb
"brutus of wyde" bindner
bridwell
beckey
donini
gill
fowler
klaus
mckray
ammon
"doug fir" hatten

ie. seems to be a pretty safe conclusion, that who the most "myth building" stories are told about here, is reflective of the generational and mostly localized demographic that makes up the backbone of the ye ole supertopo [depending on the moment] tire fire/rest home/campfire...
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
Nov 18, 2017 - 10:57pm PT
ec

climber
ca
Nov 19, 2017 - 04:13am PT
OP: “climbing and the American folk idiom.”

IMO doesn’t mean the person has to be American, just part of the American Folklore...

 ec
Oldfattradguy2

Trad climber
Here and there
Nov 19, 2017 - 04:57am PT
Romano
Boymeetsrock

Trad climber
the east
Nov 19, 2017 - 08:51am PT

Peter Terbush
Garboni

Trad climber
CA
Nov 19, 2017 - 12:08pm PT
Another vote for Richie Romano
BLR

Trad climber
Lower Eastside
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2017 - 01:43pm PT
1. The international climbing community's fair game;

2. Ante up your picks, even if they've already received a mention;

3. The why is important, because your why could be different from others'. In short, what did the legend do for you personally - inspiration, aspiration, etc.

In The Stonemasters, Long describes how the words of Buhl, Terray, Rebuffat, among others, influenced the founding members in myriad ways.

"We'd memorized quotes and immortal passages, including the mawkish book jacket copy from The West Ridge, Nanga Parbat Pilgrimmage, Starlight and Storm, even The Ascent of Rum Doodle. We'd recite the grave stuff sotto voce and then yell the gallant summit quips at the top of our lungs..." (p.26)

"...we'd return to The Basement to recite passages from Conquistadors of the Useless and a hundred other mountaineering books we'd devoured" (p.26).

"The Stonemaster was ushering us onto the High Lonesome where the Buhls and Terrays once roamed -- and where they had died" (p. 29).

The books themselves aren't folklore - they'd be considered media -- but the shared meaning between John, Rick, and Richard post-reading: pure folklore. Presumably they talked about Buhl, et al to others and encouraged them to read those books - would have to fact-check that, but if true, also folklore. And important folklore, given how the Stonemasters influenced the sport.
rick d

climber
ol pueblo, az
Nov 19, 2017 - 02:32pm PT
certainly add Walt Shipley
Harvey Carter
went back to the desert a ton o times and started/edited Climbing Magazine
Bill Forrest
climbed all over the west and made a sit harness you could wear
Earl Wiggins
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/earl-wiggins-36198.html
Bob Kamps
do I have to tell you why
Jan and Herb Conn
Because they started this whole damn thing.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Nov 19, 2017 - 04:53pm PT
Mouse...I was working by Chuck's mountain home today...was hoping he'd stick his head out...Rassler hi...rj
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 19, 2017 - 05:49pm PT
Unfortunately, I don't recall much of those long-ago, or recent, nights of sitting around the campfire, discussing the feats of climbing folk heroes.

I do remember a mid-1970's evening of campfire conversation with some of the Lowes at the campground by Columbia Icefields & a late 70's evening in Yosemite's Mountain Room bar, where we got to share a small table with Bridwell & his girlfriend.

Those folks went off to paint masterpieces in the mountains & we continued to "dabble in colors." I was impressed, but not enough so, to tell stories around campfires about what they had said in those evenings.

I was much more impressed when British climber, writer, photographer, cinematographer, John Cleare visited my outdoor store in Moscow, Idaho in 1974 on a U.S. lecture tour sponsored by Royal Robbins.

John drank with us after the "slide-shows," slept on my couch, & even climbed with us for a couple days, then returned the next year for another show & more stories.

He told stories about British & Scottish climbers in dialect, & painted vivid word pictures of legends he had climbed & drank with. Tom Patey & Don Whillans suddenly became larger than life folk heroes to me & have remained so.

A Patey story, A Short Walk With Whillans, from Patey's 1971 book, One Man's Mountains, helps explain why:

Eiger North Face

There is something about Don’s proverbial bluntness that arouses one’s admiration. Of such stuff are generals made. We had a short discussion about bivouacking, but eventually I had to agree with his arguments and occupy the outer berth. It would be less likely to induce claustrophobia, or so I gathered. 

“I’ll have one of your cigarettes,” said Don. “I’ve only brought Gauloises.” This was a statement of fact, not a question.

Then later in this classic story:

“I’m going down,” he said. “That’s what’s going on.”

“Wait a minute! Let’s discuss the whole situation calmly.”
I stretched out one hand to flick the ash off my cigarette. Then a most unusual thing happened. There was a higher pitched “WROUFF” than usual and the end of my cigarette disappeared! It was the sort of subtle touch that Hollywood film directors dream about.

“I see what you mean,” I said. “I’m going down too.”

Of course, there are many who have shared tales of Don Whillans.

He shines in my ST thread: Gauloises, Don Whillans, the Frogs, and Climbing History
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1410426&tn=40

Some more Whillans tales show up in this story shared by Leo Dickenson.
A Whillans Tale
https://www.thebmc.co.uk/a-whillans-tale


While visiting Moscow, Idaho in 1974, John Cleare shared that he had been on the ill-fated 1971 International Everest Expedition.

Don Whillans had hiked in fat & out of shape, then had gotten fit during a long, long time at high-altitude on the SW Face of Everest, while the fit young lions with him became gaunt survivors. Eventually Dougal Haston & Whillans spent 3 weeks pushing the route to within 1,500 vertical feet of the summit before giving up & retreating to Base Camp after all the other remaining climbers had also given up & retreated.

The expedition leader Norman Dyhrenfyrth, wrote an account of the expedition for the American Alpine Club & this excerpt deals with the circumstances of the final failed push for the summit:

http://publications.americanalpineclub.org/articles/12197200700/Everest-Revisted-The-International-Himalayan-Expedition-1971

Towards the middle of May Haston and Whillans established Camp VI near the top of the snow ramp, at a height of 27,200 feet. They received strong and unselfish support from the Japanese and our faithful Sherpas. Ito and Uemura carried oxygen to the highest camps without using any themselves. Seventeen Sherpas moved a total of 55 loads up to Camp V; six made the back-breaking ascent four times, and two carried without oxygen as far as Camp VI! And Michel Vaucher declared in interviews and newspaper accounts, the Sherpas had refused to move up the Face!

The bad weather continued, and exceptional cold rendered technical climbing all but impossible. The flow of supplies dwindled to a trickle. Another camp would have been needed above the Rock Band. When Whillans — at the end of a traverse to the right — reached the crest of the South Buttress, he could see moderately angled slopes leading up to the normal route just below the South Summit. Should they abandon the Face for the sake of a summit “victory” at the last minute? The public at large would no doubt consider the expedition to be a full success, but mountaineers think differently. The 1970 ascent by way of the South Col was judged a failure in leading Japanese climbing circles, since the clearly stated objective of the expedition had been the Face. IHE 71’s goal too was the summit by way of the Face, and not “victory at all costs”, by any route. Whillans acted accordingly and returned to Haston. Together they climbed 300 feet up an icy couloir in the Rock Band, fixing ropes. But then they too had reached the end of the line. There was still some oxygen left at Camp VI, but no more butane and precious little to eat.

For more than three weeks they had lived at high altitude without coming down to Advance Base once — a world record and dramatic proof of their incredible toughness, as well as of the superb oxygen system developed by Duane Blume! The combination of snowstorm, intense cold, rockfall, avalanches and faltering supply lines put an end to the struggle.

On May 21 news of the expedition’s failure was announced to the outside world.

John Cleare told me a story from the end of the 1971 Everest Expedition, about the return of Haston & Whillans to base camp.

Haston came staggering down the final slopes with Whillans slightly behind. As Sherpas rushed out to Haston & helped support him back to base camp, Whillans paused, pulled out the remains of a pint of whiskey, drained it, tossed it on the snow, then played soccer with it while striding down to camp.

I believe such feats have made Whillans my favorite Folk Hero.



jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Nov 19, 2017 - 06:08pm PT
Depends upon how far back in time you want to go.

Walter Parry Haskett Smith (He started rock climbing as a sport in Great Britain about 1881)

Oscar Eckenstein (Perhaps the first serious boulderer in the modern sense, 1880s)

Aleister Crowley (Perhaps the first druggy and/or spiritual climber, 1880s)


Oscar Perry Smith (America's first accomplished rock climber, 1900)


Pierre Allain (legendary for his equipment and bouldering as well as rock climbing, 1930s)
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Nov 19, 2017 - 06:49pm PT
Using these criteria:
6. Folk heroes crystallize the culture -- the norms, symbols, customs, beliefs, fears, etc -- of the community that swaps stories about them. So another way to think about this is, who most exemplifies the culture of the community? Anti-heroes fair game.

I nominate Walt Shipley, in the category of Yosemite-based folk heroes of the 80s.

3. The why is important, because your why could be different from others'. In short, what did the legend do for you personally - inspiration, aspiration, etc.

Sorry to go the Möbius route here, Brad, but the why is because he: crystallizes the culture -- the norms, symbols, customs, beliefs, fears, etc -- of the community that swaps stories about him.
ryankelly

climber
Bhumi
Nov 19, 2017 - 07:05pm PT
gotta be....Werner

ohhhhh mon
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Nov 19, 2017 - 10:45pm PT
So every where I go in these pages, when we all get stumped, can not remember more than that it might have been. .
There's one Maven of the countless One Guy? whos arc runs from the east in days of yor till the future, if the book ever publishes that is. . .B+)
Clint Cummings
Sorry??
Steve Grossman,
Nah that book Jab I have to mean Clint
Oh And then theres a guy I do not know , also, but I once challenged him in these pages - As to who the hell he thought he was stripping the cliffs of history, removing Hardings relics Replacing Time Bombs & such. . .
Greg Barns
Tricouni

Mountain climber
Vancouver
Nov 19, 2017 - 11:26pm PT
From a Vancouver perspective, I'd suggest (in no particular order)
Les MacDonald
Dick Culbert (who? you ask)

These two have enough legends and pseudo-legends surrounding them so that they qualify.
Don Paul

Mountain climber
Denver CO
Nov 20, 2017 - 06:53am PT
They begin to qualify at about 5.13, and only then by promoting their work through photos, writing, ambassadorships, and shoe sales. And also the Dirtbag Diaries and Enormocast can turn just about anyone into a climbing hero; ex James Lucas. (just joking, carry on naming old climbers)
Tricouni

Mountain climber
Vancouver
Nov 20, 2017 - 04:43pm PT
I forgot to mention Jim Baldwin. Lots of stories around him.
ground_up

Trad climber
mt. hood /baja
Nov 20, 2017 - 06:55pm PT
Charlie porter
Yabo
Tucker Tech
Tobin
Beckey
Kauk
Croft
Bachar
Bridwell

dang , my list could keep going....
Oplopanax

Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
Nov 21, 2017 - 11:59am PT
IIRC Ben Firth did the Lougheed traverse FWA in Carhartts and garden gloves.
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Nov 21, 2017 - 01:38pm PT
Being a Coloradocentric kind of guy (even though I now live in CA), for me, I gotta go with Layton. You could just imagine that guy doing/overcoming anything!

As far as a folk hero that I know, I'd have to go with Jimmy Newberry, now there's someone with lots of character.
Scole

Trad climber
Zapopan
Nov 21, 2017 - 02:27pm PT
Dave Yerian
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Nov 21, 2017 - 04:33pm PT
As a kid, I had a lot of heroes and the power of these people was to light the fuse and get out there and carry on the tradition.

Each hero had some particular feature that we melded into a kind of composite dude to try and live up to. My heroes were Buhl, Robbins, Gill, Bridwell and Pratt. The internal game was to try and do things these guys would be proud of, and not do stuff we imagined would cheapen the game.

Nobody was perfect in this regards but it was an adventure to try.
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Nov 21, 2017 - 04:40pm PT
i drove through the night without sunscreen,
slipped thru ag stops with undisclosed bananas,
and now i'm home, sweating extradition over slideshow raffle winnings, but ...

i HAD to meet the man who unloaded a clip of 9mm slugs into the clogged cat converter of a GERMAN sports car
choosing, in his wisdom, a MAUSER! of all weapons to execute the deed in full view of the vehicle's owner
and within the jurisdiction of the state of california.

i move Ksolem to the top of my list
on the basis of that act alone.

practical, so practical
LuckyPink

climber
the last bivy
Nov 21, 2017 - 06:13pm PT
to be folk hero you have to do something legendary so

PETE WHITTAKER and TOM RANDALL

their story is classic... train in Sheffield basement for two years,grinding day jobs, embark on US climbing tour and slay it, startling all american climbers with their boldness. They even have the notice of the legendary BOB SCARPELLI, who himself could be a climbing folk hero of the Wide

CHris Sharma would be considered a folk hero by the next gen.


+1 Burt Bronson !!
BLR

Trad climber
Lower Eastside
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 21, 2017 - 07:48pm PT
My gratitude to everyone who has posted here, with special thanks to Tami, Fritz, nah000, and Marlow for their extraordinary contributions. I’m closing in on deadline, so I’ve printed the thread to PDF (although I’ll monitor occasionally).

Questions have arisen: Will I write about this ST thread? Yes. Is the thread the focus of the story? No. Will I use your posts to write the piece? No.

Last thought: Yesterday at 5:05 pm PDT, a stand-up dude whom I've yet to meet called my aims here into question. Our mutual friend, the heroic Tami K, came to my defense in a way that made me flash on my high school production of Oklahoma. See 3:39 – 4:30.
(Thanks, Tami. The firewater’s on me when you roll through Reno.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjVQqGlj4A8

Thanks again -

Brad


Tar: Another way of putting it: the folklorists I've interviewed tell me they decode a community's values by analyzing the stories those groups relate about their heroes.
Don Paul

Mountain climber
Denver CO
Nov 22, 2017 - 05:32am PT
Just use Largo's list, but put him on it too, lol.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Nov 27, 2017 - 12:39am PT
Even though many or even most of my adventures have been solo, one of the best aspects of my life has been my friends. It seems the climbing community is more extensive than I realized before starting this list of just my own contacts over the years. So here's a very incomplete listing of some people I've climbed with:
John Gill
Arron Schneider
Mark Powell
Beverly Powell
Bob Kamps
Warren Harding
Joe Faint
Robbie Blackwood
Jan Sacherer
Bill Sanders
Yvon Chouinard
Royal Robbins
Jane Taylor
Joe Fitschen
Jim Mays
Gary Hemming
Fred Becky
John Hudson
Art Gran
Margaret Young
Jim Richardson
Doug Tompkins
John Tompkins
Frank Sacherer
Chuck Pratt
Tom Frost
Jim Baldwin
Mike Borghoff
Chris Fredricks
Steve Thompson
Galen Rowell
Charles Raymond
Harry Daley
Gary Colliver
Tony Qamar
Andy Lichtman
Kim Schmitz
Lloyd Price
Beth Liversege
Rick Millikan
John Cochrane
Carolee Cochrane
Bonnie Cochrane
Barbara Cochrane
Fritz Cochrane
Tova Cochrane
Sean Cochrane
Joe Faint
Layton Kor
Tom Higgins
Wally Reed
Bedayan
Lionel Terray
Pat Ament
Sally Walker
Mike Hoover
Jeff Schoolfield
Kenji
Brad Miller
Dave Katz
Lynn Hill
Pierre de Mestral
Francois de Mestral
Patrick Marandez
Frank Siegal
Kevin Bein
Steve Schless
Scott Brenner
Tom Gregory
Tom Madden
Evie Lucashu
Brenan Culver
John Bloom
Michelle
Norie Huddle
Claire Mearns
Steve Kraal
John Mattox
Bruce Davidson
Anna Martin
Steve Leung
Gina Hendricks
Paul Brodbeck
Julie Tull
Alf Cederquist
Walt Shipley
Scott Cosgrove
Gifford Pinchot III
Jeff Braun
Jamie Beardsley
Bob Harrington
Vern Clevenger
Dylan Clevenger
Chelsea Wagner

Some other climbing friends and acquaintances I haven't tied in with:
John Salathe
Glen Denny
John Morton
Ed Cooper
Mort Hempel
Jeff Foot
Erik Beck
Roger Brown
Dave Dornan
Peter Lev
Allen Steck
Bill Briggs
Charlie Brown
Leigh Ortenburger
Herb Swedland
Wayne Merry
Joe McKeown
Jim Bridwell
John Bacher
Beverly Johnson
Jim Bridwell
Ed Hartouni
Jeff Lowe
Connie
Werner Braun
Clint Cummings
Jim Donini
Ron Kauk
TM Herbert
Jim Wilson
Tommy Caldwell
Yuji Hirayama
Hans Florine
Mayan Smith-Gobat
Greg Lowe
George Lowe
Michael Kennedy

And personal heroes from afar:
Herman Buhl
Walter Bonotti
Reinhold Messner
Alex Lowe
Alex Honnald
Peter Croft

Let me know if we've climbed together and I forgot you on this list...
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 27, 2017 - 01:52pm PT
Uh hamie,...... I was friends with Pete and his version of the story only had 5 climbers falling.


Who was number six? (Maybe Herman Buhl saw him too)
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 27, 2017 - 08:06pm PT
Mike Baca is a true legend.

(Mike is downclimbing to an anchor to set up a top rope for blind kids.)

"Hey, Mike, be careful, OK? That looks kinda sketchy."

"Well, I've lived a long and happy life."
hamie

Social climber
Thekoots
May 29, 2018 - 08:45pm PT
Did this article appear in #61 Spring as expected earlier? I did not see it in the index. Same for #62 Summer. Didn't see it there either. Can someone please confirm one way or t'other. It would be interesting to see the author's final list.

I know that Tami has a subscription. Hint, hint.
nah000

climber
now/here
May 29, 2018 - 11:13pm PT
^^^^

the article was in 61.

was actually about beckey.

so with the thread title and initial question, the writer kept his cards pretty tight to the chest...

though as per usual over at alpinist: a good piece.
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