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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 11, 2017 - 08:54pm PT
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Anyone who says YOSAR isn't going to respond or hold back and let a private company do their job because they don't get paid enough is delusional. Looks Easy From Here gets it, its not about the money. It's about pride in performing your job to the best of your ability in any situation.
It's true I got paid well as a FF/PM and get a good pension but being payed well doesn't make running into a burning building or cutting a hole in a roof over fire any easier. Since I have been employed I have lost 8 friends in fires, helicopter accidents, explosions and countless more to cancer and suicide due to PTSD. No amount of money could make that pill any easier to swallow. To say otherwise is pure ignorance.
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
The real McCoy from the inside of my van.
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Nov 12, 2017 - 04:05am PT
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Hahahahah.
Hahahaha. Hahahaha.
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yosemite 5.9
climber
santa cruz
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Nov 12, 2017 - 04:40pm PT
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Camaron, you are negative and rude. I have also known some climbers who worked on YOSAR. Recovering body parts splattered below El Cap and Half Dome was very hard on them, they told me. Don't tell me to be quiet. IF someone made the responsible decision to not further burden YOSAR by a foolish attempt to climb Half Dome, then good for them. Who knows what other priorities YOSAR may have had on that day.
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Karkoekstan, Former USSR
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Nov 12, 2017 - 05:54pm PT
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SAR version of Black Water
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Nov 12, 2017 - 06:27pm PT
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Majid- how are you?
Also, how well does YOSAR blackwater pay? That's the crux of the issue. A YOSAR person might make $200 on a half dome rescue, what does this redpoint insurance thing pay?
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Nov 16, 2017 - 01:09pm PT
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So,,,,,was this just fake news?
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Nov 16, 2017 - 06:30pm PT
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Wait a second!!!!
Someone tell me where I apply to work for this Redpoint company?
Also, I want a trip report from the two dudes who got rescued. Might be funny.
And I want Werner to reply, unless his current job prevents him from commenting. Or YOSAR is being sued by the dad for reimbursement.
Ok, those are my demands, now get to work.
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gruzzy
Social climber
socal
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Nov 17, 2017 - 04:06pm PT
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At least it wasnt some last minute poorly planned operation by guys who know next to nothing about rescue.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Nov 17, 2017 - 04:36pm PT
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Someone tell me where I apply to work for this Redpoint company?
There's a contact form at:
http://redpointresolutions.com/contact/ - See the Careers dropdown.
or
Phone: +1 415 481 0610
Redpoint Resolutions Headquarters*
Address: 1875 South Grant Street, Suite 960,
San Mateo, CA 94402 USA
Email: contact@redpointresolutions.com
*additional offices and operations centers worldwide
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Aug 28, 2018 - 07:13pm PT
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Jody. TYFP!
$3 million for all NPS rescues last year is pocket change! About the same as a nice cabin inside or on the fringe of one of the better parks.
This is a tribute to whomever is managing SAR.
Says men in their 20's comprise most of the people needing rescues.
IMO: Land manager who were bright would organize land use training to minimize risks, rescues and especially impacts.
The USA could save millions spent on handling emergencies by implementing a training system (self funding) that would result in trained, certified and licensed public land users who contributed to making their land management jobs a whole lot easier. It would also preserve our resources better than ever.
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Karkoekstan, Former USSR
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Aug 28, 2018 - 10:06pm PT
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One day of US military cost is equivalent to 50 years of SAR operational cost in all US national parks
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Aug 29, 2018 - 07:29am PT
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According to the Salt Lake Tribune article cited by Jody's Fox News article, the increase in SARs--at least in Utah--are attributable to an increase in visitation rates:
I am curious as to how many actually needed to be rescued.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Aug 29, 2018 - 11:05am PT
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One day of US military cost is equivalent to 50 years of SAR operational cost in all US national parks
Probably closer to an hour if you include all of the "off-budget" murdering and assisted murdering.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Aug 29, 2018 - 11:17am PT
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Misleading article. The resources used have to be on hand and paid regardless of whether or not a rescue is needed. PSAR is a great way to reduce rescue hours.
a few million is a bargain considering how much income these parks bring in.
False calls from PLBs is a big problem
https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/2015-4-july-august/feature/danger-life-saving-device
In 2012, concerned by decreasing budgets and an increasing number of calls for help, California, which fields the most search-and-rescue calls of any state, started tracking missions initiated by PLBs and SENDs. From 2013 to 2014, they increased from 53 to 87, and 36 of those 2014 calls were either accidental or nonemergency. Even more alarming are stats from the Air Force Rescue Coordination Center, the first recipient of distress calls from PLBs. Although the air force center averages one life saved every 36 hours, 80 percent of its calls are false alarms.
However, it is not just U.S. residents who are guilty of crying wolf. Australia had the world's highest per capita use of rescue beacons as of 2012. That year, only 109 out of 1,700 activations were genuine emergencies.
Beacons have been activated for crazy reasons, tentmate snoring, saw a wolf (it was actualy a coyote), water tastes salty
edit: Defense costs are over one million per minute, so three minutes of defense covers a year of SAR
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Aug 29, 2018 - 02:49pm PT
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Probably closer to an hour if you include all of the "off-budget" murdering and assisted murdering.
Cost of that is offset by opium kick-backs, even if prices are dropping with China flooding the market with synthetics.
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