Sorry, I'm not buying the shootings as an act of mercy. What's up with young people hiking in J-tree with guns? For the weight of that gun, they could have carried more water. I bet the guy's background is suspect.

Who in the hell takes a gun to Jtree?

This whole thing is hokey ....

I don't mean to trivialize the issue of lives at stake - I hope they are found alive and reasonably well.

The male vs female navigational comparison is something I've observed and found interesting throughout my life, as my mom has basically no sense of direction, and I routinely have almost flawless orienting skills, in the mountains and forest especially.

Not bragging - it's just a fact. Anyone who has adventured w me extensively would agree.

I've observed other women having very little sense of direction consistently in my travels, markedly more so than males, to the point I'm surprised when I meet one that is well oriented in the wild.

Locker, that may be true, but in all the years I climbed in Josh none of my climbing partners carried.

Orbeso and Nguyen had dated but most recently were friends, Young said. Orbeso was familiar with Joshua Tree National Park and had taken Nguyen there to celebrate her birthday, he added.

who were hoping the pair went voluntarily missing [sic]