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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Oct 27, 2017 - 01:26pm PT
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Why NOT have the man who is funding the campaign be in the video!?
Seems straightforward and honest to me. I think Tom Steyer has integrity.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Oct 27, 2017 - 01:26pm PT
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Why'd they get that tired boomer to do the ad...
He paid for it.
Tom Steyer. Net worth around $1.6B. He's doing this to build up name recognition so he can primary Dianne Feinstein. Should be quite a show, his 1.6 billion against her measly 700 million...
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Oct 27, 2017 - 01:41pm PT
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and speaking of money
the grabber in chief lost 500 million dollars last year, per Forbes
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Oct 27, 2017 - 03:58pm PT
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I like him, he stands up for what's good, and has the money to help fund good things
Murderers are good, if they're down with the cause.
Dems can't do any better than Steyer?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Oct 27, 2017 - 04:10pm PT
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Steyer made his money as a hedge fund manager. If he was in the business in 2008 he was part of a feeding frenzy based on greed and deception that nearly cratered our financial system.
If he runs and gets to the Senate he will be the wealthiest person in Congress. I'm sure he'll be all about the average American.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Oct 27, 2017 - 05:13pm PT
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There is a massive chasm between people like Steyer/Gates/Chouinard and a--holes like the kochs/ waltons/ forbes/ trumps/ goldmans/ murdock/ loeb/ singer.
One group tries to improve the world with their wealth.
The other tries to f*#k over the world to make another billion for their own pocket.
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 27, 2017 - 05:14pm PT
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Steyer is an imperfect messenger, but he’s trying to spur a discussion that very much needs to be had.
I personally would not support impeachment at this point: the cure of removing trump would not be preferable to the malady. Impeachment would rip apart this country. But god damnit I am appalled and outraged at all the legal and ethical violations happening in the White House daily, and a congress that enables all of it. Paul Ryan, McConnell and others can all eat sh#t.
We have a narcissistic, unhinged, and even dangerous conman in the White house, and we need to have a frank discussion about how to make things right, and it ain’t happening in Congress. In the meantime, good for Steyer for pointing out that the emperor has no clothes.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 27, 2017 - 06:39pm PT
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Mercer is a hedge fund guy
Will Bannon run him against Steyer
Who did he kill
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 27, 2017 - 07:03pm PT
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Just see the brainwashing čřánkl00n handwringing here.
They are so happy to be more brainwashed than ever ......
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 27, 2017 - 07:11pm PT
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Impeachment would be a yuge sh!tshow only suited to the North Beach whips and leather crowd and only beneficial to the scum sucking lawyers who would be the leading drag queens, not that I don’t appreciate a good drag queen, mind you.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 27, 2017 - 08:24pm PT
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Ставки на который предатель идет вниз в понедельник? Manafort или Флинн? Или и то, и другое.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
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“Wipe the Soviet Union Off the Map”, 204 Atomic Bombs against 66 Major Cities, US Nuclear Attack against USSR Planned During World War II When America and the Soviet Union Were Allies
The document outlining this diabolical military agenda had been released in September 1945, barely one month after the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (6 and 9 August, 1945) and two years before the onset of the Cold War (1947).
The secret plan dated September 15, 1945 (two weeks after the surrender of Japan on September 2, 1945 aboard the USS Missouri, see image below) , however, had been formulated at an earlier period, namely at the height of World War II, at a time when America and the Soviet Union were close allies.
The Kremlin was aware of the 1945 plan to bomb sixty-six Soviet cities.
The documents confirm that the US was involved in the “planning of genocide” against the Soviet Union.
Moreover, central to our understanding of the Cold War which started in 1947, Washington’s September 1945 plan to bomb 66 cities into smithereens played a key role in triggering the nuclear arms race.
The Soviet Union was threatened and developed its own atomic bomb in 1949. While the Kremlin knew about these plans to “Wipe out” the USSR, the broader public was not informed because the documents were of course classified.
Today, neither the 1945 plan to blow up the Soviet Union nor the underlying cause of the nuclear arms race are acknowledged. The Western media has largely focussed its attention on the Cold War US-USSR confrontation. The plan to annihilate the Soviet Union dating back to World War II and the infamous Manhattan project are not mentioned.
Washington’s Cold War nuclear plans are invariably presented in response to so-called Soviet threats, when in fact it was the U.S. September 1945 plan to wipe out the Soviet which motivated Moscow to develop its nuclear weapons capabilities.
Had the US decided not to develop nuclear weapons for use against the Soviet Union, the nuclear arms race would not have taken place. Neither The Soviet Union nor the People’s Republic of China would have developed nuclear capabilities as a means of “Deterrence”.
The Soviet Union lost 26 million people during World War II.
The USSR developed its own atomic bomb in 1949, in response to 1942 Soviet intelligence reports on the Manhattan Project.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/wipe-the-ussr-off-the-map-204-atomic-bombs-against-major-cities-us-nuclear-attack-against-soviet-union-planned-prior-to-end-of-world-war-ii/5616601
What distinguishes the October 1962 Missile Crisis to Today’s realities:
1. Today’s president Donald Trump does not have the foggiest idea as to the consequences of nuclear war.
2, Communication today between the White House and the Kremlin is at an all time low. In contrast, in October 1962, the leaders on both sides, namely John F. Kennedy and Nikita S. Khrushchev were accutely aware of the dangers of nuclear annihilation. They collaborated with a view to avoiding the unthinkable.
3. The nuclear doctrine was entirely different during the Cold War. Both Washington and Moscow understood the realities of mutually assured destruction. Today, tactical nuclear weapons with an explosive capacity (yield) of one third to six times a Hiroshima bomb are categorized by the Pentagon as “harmless to civilians because the explosion is underground”.
4. A one trillion ++ nuclear weapons program, first launched under Obama, is ongoing.
5. Today’s thermonuclear bombs are more than 100 times more powerful and destructive than a Hiroshima bomb. Both the US and Russia have several thousand nuclear weapons deployed.
Moreover, an all out war against China is currently on the drawing board of the Pentagon as outlined by a RAND Corporation Report commissioned by the US Army
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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A lot of people aren't in love with Trump, that's fine and I don't love the guy myself.
But you have to admit, the market's never been higher, the economy's doing well, he's kind of got "little rocketman" backing down (although the jury's still out on that one) . . . why rock the boat?
We'll have an election in 3 years, and if more people vote for Dem (strike that--if more electors vote for the Dem), we can all say how happy we are to be rid of the fiend (as we're all, hopefully, filthy rich with all the money we've made in the market!).
If Trump's our biggest problem we're doing pretty well.
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c wilmot
climber
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Really dig your posts Tom Cochrane. thanks for sharing
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
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i didn't write that article and i only quoted a few excerpts and it's not my place to defend it
i do hope you will follow the link and read the article carefully, as some comments seem to be a misread i.e. are you reading numbers of weapons or dollars?
the original article includes images of the original documents upon which the article is based
i think there is some major basic missing information in the knowledge base of the general public, and this article only fills in a few of the blanks
Here's a basic question from me, for which learning the deep answer may explain much of what is going on in the world today. There are lots of superficial answers that are not adequate to explain the depth of the hatred. If I just dropped the answer in your lap, you would very probably not have the historical background to know what I'm even talking about. So you have to do your own research on it.
Why Russia is being so heavily demonized, then and now?
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
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don't shoot the messenger
this article has reproductions of some very interesting documents that have not been general knowledge
whether or not the authors analysis of them is totally accurate is for each of us to judge for ourselves
i post things that i think are worth looking at, not at all assuming that everything should be taken as absolute verified facts
i question everything
you should also question everything, certainly including me
incidentally, i have been directly involved in the nuclear weapons maintenance programs for DOE and am well aware of the degradation problems and the treaty constraints placed for not doing active testing
laboratory testing and computer modeling are being used in attempts to make up for active testing and i wrote the DOE lab protocol for dealing with degraded plutonium test articles
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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If he runs and gets to the Senate he will be the wealthiest person in Congress. I'm sure he'll be all about the average American.
That may be true, but his wealth pales in comparison to trump cabinet members. You know, the ones who relate to the working poor.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Trump is doing a great job. His job is to distract your attention from what is important.
When a number like a trillion dollars is mentioned, it has little to do with accounting practices, but is basically an announcement that the Fed is providing a blank check to support a particular activity
the nuclear weapons that the public knows about were a shocking breakthrough when they were first revealed, but there are several subsequent similarly important developments that the public is unaware of; so it is practically irrelevant to compare some of the modern weapons with those original nukes as they can be used right under your nose and you won't even know what you are looking at
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WBraun
climber
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Why Russia is being so heavily demonized, then and now?
This one is the easiest of em all.
The real criminals always the point at someone else (Russia).
But the st00pid politards here all believe the horsesh!t the CIA is projecting thru the Washington Post and NYT that Russia is the problem.
St00pid brainwashed Americans ...
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nah000
climber
now/here
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hey Mighty Hiker:
it’s poorly written for sure, and i’m not arguing for or against the article as a whole... but your main point of contention regarding the “one trillion ++” line is null and void if one understands it to be referring to the cost of obama’s nuclear refurbishment program... as this has been estimated by u.s. government departments to cost more than one trillion over the next thirty years. this number was reported by the new york times in 2014 [although at that point it was just under a trillion] and many other sources since then, as the estimated cost has continued to rise [one online source said 1.3-1.5 trillion dollars over the next thirty years according to more recent post-trump government calculations]
again not arguing for the article as a whole, i just found it interesting that, however sensationalized [by not giving the thirty year time frame] the original article was, it did have a kernel of truth to at least that part if they had just written the all important word “dollars”.
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