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rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Oct 6, 2017 - 07:17pm PT
And to think some of you guys still think adding fluoride to the water has no effect on human intelligence. lol


One story I heard in my deep perusal of youtube alt-news sites (I think it was Paul Craig Roberts?) is that the whole North Korea story is just a front giving the US a cover for getting nukes closer to China. hmmmm
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Oct 6, 2017 - 07:32pm PT
I trace it all back to.....F in the water?
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Oct 6, 2017 - 07:45pm PT


https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459

Since the start of Donald Trump’s presidential run, one question has quietly but urgently permeated the observations of concerned citizens: What is wrong with him? Constrained by the American Psychiatric Association’s “Goldwater rule,” which inhibits mental health professionals from diagnosing public figures they have not personally examined, many of those qualified to answer this question have shied away from discussing the issue at all. The public has thus been left to wonder whether he is mad, bad, or both.

In THE DANGEROUS CASE OF DONALD TRUMP, twenty-seven psychiatrists, psychologists, and other mental health experts argue that, in Mr. Trump’s case, their moral and civic “duty to warn” America supersedes professional neutrality. They then explore Trump’s symptoms and potentially relevant diagnoses to find a complex, if also dangerously mad, man.

https://us.macmillan.com/thedangerouscaseofdonaldtrump/bandyxlee/9781250179456/

drF

Trad climber
usa
Oct 6, 2017 - 07:54pm PT
^^^^
MSNBC haha. What a joke!!

You really believe that cable BS? You're fugged haha!!
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
Oct 6, 2017 - 07:57pm PT
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Oct 6, 2017 - 08:04pm PT
https://books.google.ca/books?id=t-olDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT353&lpg=PT353&dq=The+Dangerous+Case+Of+Donald+Trump%27:+27+Psychiatrists+Assess&source=bl&ots=VUvNjmdeRs&sig=qJImfFLDprwiq21mcuIYIiFU92g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiP4Z-Pwt3WAhVKwGMKHW9sCRoQ6AEIPjAF#v=onepage&q=The%20Dangerous%20Case%20Of%20Donald%20Trump'%3A%2027%20Psychiatrists%20Assess&f=false

Gilligan told Dr. Lee's town hall attendees, “I don't say Trump is Hitler or Mussolini, but he's no more normal than Hitler"
ibid
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Oct 7, 2017 - 11:50am PT
David Brooks, Republican, Aug 5, 2016:
"He cannot be contained because he is psychologically off the chain. With each passing week he displays the classic symptoms of medium-grade mania in more disturbing forms: inflated self-esteem, sleeplessness, impulsivity, aggression and a compulsion to offer advice on subjects he knows nothing about.

His speech patterns are like something straight out of a psychiatric textbook. Manics display something called “flight of ideas.” It’s a formal thought disorder in which ideas tumble forth through a disordered chain of associations. One word sparks another, which sparks another, and they’re off to the races. As one trained psychiatrist said to me, compare Donald Trump’s speaking patterns to a Robin Williams monologue, but with insults instead of jokes.
Trump insults Paul Ryan, undermines NATO and raises the specter of nuclear war. Advisers can’t control Trump’s brain because Trump can’t control it himself.

He also cannot be contained because he lacks the inner equipment that makes decent behavior possible. So many of our daily social interactions depend on a basic capacity for empathy. But Trump displays an absence of this quality.

He looks at the grieving mother of a war hero and is unable to recognize her pain. He hears a crying baby and is unable to recognize the infant’s emotion or the mother’s discomfort. He is told of women being sexually harassed at Fox News and is unable to recognize their trauma.
The same blindness that makes him impervious to global outrage makes it impossible for him to make empathetic connection. Fear is his only bond.
Some people compare Trump to the great authoritarians of history, but that’s wrong. They were generally disciplined men with grandiose plans. Trump is underdeveloped and unregulated.

He is a slave to his own pride, compelled by a childlike impulse to lash out at anything that threatens his fragile identity. He appears to have no ability to experience reverence, which is the foundation for any capacity to admire or serve anything bigger than self, to want to learn about anything beyond self, to want to know and deeply honor the people around you.

Republicans are not going to be able to help the 70-year-old man-child grow up over the next few months. Nor are they going to be able to get him to withdraw from the race. A guy who can raise $82 million mostly in small donations has a passionate niche following.
But they can at least get out of the enabling business. First, they can acknowledge that they are being sucked down a nihilistic whirlpool. Second, they can acknowledge the long-term damage being done to the country and to themselves."
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Oct 7, 2017 - 12:11pm PT
dr f posted

MSNBC haha. What a joke!!

You really believe that cable BS? You're fugged haha!!

ok, make your case that MSNBC is not credible or that their broadcasts are filled with "lies"

I am sure, given your proven powerful intellect, that you will answer in volume with proofs very quickly - but I will check back later
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Oct 7, 2017 - 01:05pm PT
Trump is the red cape waved in front of the Bull.

Those of you charging at the red cape should have your moment of truth and start paying attention to the matador and his backers.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Oct 7, 2017 - 01:18pm PT
If the system is rigged how in the hell did we go from Obama to Trump? claiming the news is fake is Trumps fallback position, and we know he is a f*#king moron.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Oct 7, 2017 - 01:59pm PT
Fu%k that's all we need now if Dump picks Pompeo for replacement.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Oct 7, 2017 - 08:25pm PT
The Trump Presidency

Or How to Further Enrich “The Masters of the Universe”

By Noam Chomsky and David Barsamian

[This interview has been excerpted from Global Discontents: Conversations on the Rising Threats to Democracy, the new book by Noam Chomsky and David Barsamian to be published this December.]

October 06, 2017 "Information Clearing House" - David Barsamian: You have spoken about the difference between Trump’s buffoonery, which gets endlessly covered by the media, and the actual policies he is striving to enact, which receive less attention. Do you think he has any coherent economic, political, or international policy goals? What has Trump actually managed to accomplish in his first months in office?

Noam Chomsky: There is a diversionary process under way, perhaps just a natural result of the propensities of the figure at center stage and those doing the work behind the curtains.

At one level, Trump’s antics ensure that attention is focused on him, and it makes little difference how. Who even remembers the charge that millions of illegal immigrants voted for Clinton, depriving the pathetic little man of his Grand Victory? Or the accusation that Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower? The claims themselves don’t really matter. It’s enough that attention is diverted from what is happening in the background. There, out of the spotlight, the most savage fringe of the Republican Party is carefully advancing policies designed to enrich their true constituency: the Constituency of private power and wealth, “the masters of mankind,” to borrow Adam Smith’s phrase.

These policies will harm the irrelevant general population and devastate future generations, but that’s of little concern to the Republicans. They’ve been trying to push through similarly destructive legislation for years. Paul Ryan, for example, has long been advertising his ideal of virtually eliminating the federal government, apart from service to the Constituency -- though in the past he’s wrapped his proposals in spreadsheets so they would look wonkish to commentators. Now, while attention is focused on Trump’s latest mad doings, the Ryan gang and the executive branch are ramming through legislation and orders that undermine workers’ rights, cripple consumer protections, and severely harm rural communities. They seek to devastate health programs, revoking the taxes that pay for them in order to further enrich their Constituency, and to eviscerate the Dodd-Frank Act, which imposed some much-needed constraints on the predatory financial system that grew during the neoliberal period.

That’s just a sample of how the wrecking ball is being wielded by the newly empowered Republican Party. Indeed, it is no longer a political party in the traditional sense. Conservative political analysts Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein have described it more accurately as a “radical insurgency,” one that has abandoned normal parliamentary politics.

Much of this is being carried out stealthily, in closed sessions, with as little public notice as possible. Other Republican policies are more open, such as pulling out of the Paris climate agreement, thereby isolating the U.S. as a pariah state that refuses to participate in international efforts to confront looming environmental disaster. Even worse, they are intent on maximizing the use of fossil fuels, including the most dangerous; dismantling regulations; and sharply cutting back on research and development of alternative energy sources, which will soon be necessary for decent survival.

The reasons behind the policies are a mix. Some are simply service to the Constituency. Others are of little concern to the “masters of mankind” but are designed to hold on to segments of the voting bloc that the Republicans have cobbled together, since Republican policies have shifted so far to the right that their actual proposals would not attract voters. For example, terminating support for family planning is not service to the Constituency. Indeed, that group may mostly support family planning. But terminating that support appeals to the evangelical Christian base -- voters who close their eyes to the fact that they are effectively advocating more unwanted pregnancies and, therefore, increasing the frequency of resort to abortion, under harmful and even lethal conditions.

Not all of the damage can be blamed on the con man who is nominally in charge, on his outlandish appointments, or on the congressional forces he has unleashed. Some of the most dangerous developments under Trump trace back to Obama initiatives -- initiatives passed, to be sure, under pressure from the Republican Congress.

The most dangerous of these has barely been reported. A very important study in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, published in March 2017, reveals that the Obama nuclear weapons modernization program has increased “the overall killing power of existing US ballistic missile forces by a factor of roughly three -- and it creates exactly what one would expect to see, if a nuclear-armed state were planning to have the capacity to fight and win a nuclear war by disarming enemies with a surprise first strike.” As the analysts point out, this new capacity undermines the strategic stability on which human survival depends. And the chilling record of near disaster and reckless behavior of leaders in past years only shows how fragile our survival is. Now this program is being carried forward under Trump. These developments, along with the threat of environmental disaster, cast a dark shadow over everything else -- and are barely discussed, while attention is claimed by the performances of the showman at center stage.

Whether Trump has any idea what he and his henchmen are up to is not clear. Perhaps he is completely authentic: an ignorant, thin-skinned megalomaniac whose only ideology is himself. But what is happening under the rule of the extremist wing of the Republican organization is all too plain.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Oct 8, 2017 - 08:36am PT
The fascists have let us know that the real News is only from the Official State Right Wing Fascist News Sources; Fox news, Brietbart, Rush, Hannity, the White House or Trump himself.

The News from the reality based community is Fake News now.

That's the way it works, Real News is fabricated Propaganda and fact based news is Fake, you just need to succumb to the leaders and let them tell you what you should believe, many here are good examples of how great this works.

You can't even believe the words directly out of Trump's mouth, he will claim it's Fake News the next day when they use it against him

We have seen his before.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Oct 8, 2017 - 08:45am PT
Senator Bob Corker
✔ ‎@SenBobCorker

It's a shame the White House has become an adult day care center. Someone obviously missed their shift this morning.
WBraun

climber
Oct 8, 2017 - 09:47am PT
Real news and fake news .... what a bunch of horsesh!t.

Real news is not even allowed in the US.

It's not even reported period.

You brainwashed fools .......
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Oct 8, 2017 - 09:49am PT
If the system is rigged how in the hell did we go from Obama to Trump?

Just a simple twist of a dial in the machine, my friend, just a simple twist of a dial


DMT
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 10, 2017 - 08:27am PT
Apparently if the fake news is to be believed, Trump has challenged Tillerson to an IQ test.

You cannot make this up.

And I have been trying to keep away from politard posts these past few days, but this guy is our president? My dad can beat your dad.
frostback

Social climber
great white north
Oct 10, 2017 - 08:37am PT
All sideshow drama to keep the base distracted from the increasing likelihood that donald may get an obstruction of justice impeachment charge dumped on his doorstep.
ec

climber
ca
Oct 10, 2017 - 09:51am PT
...Trump suggested perhaps he and Tillerson should take an IQ exam to prove he’s smarter, as adult human beings are wont to do. - Kalli Holloway

"I think it's fake news, but if he did that, I guess we'll have to compare IQ tests. And I can tell you who is going to win." - Forbes interview w/Trump

Bwhahaha!
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Oct 10, 2017 - 01:38pm PT

I love it. The hypocrisy of Trump.

Our country is falling apart, and some of you who support Trump, applaud that? By your tacit support?

In order to save the village, we had to destroy it!
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