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Social climber
great white north
Sep 6, 2017 - 07:53pm PT
Don't feed the pizzaman troll

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Sep 6, 2017 - 08:17pm PT
Kicking the Dreamer kids out of the U.S. was another of Trump's campaign promises to his racist base voters.

On my part, I think that since they gave their personal information to sign up for the program, they are on board for wanting to be citizens.

It appears that they are also paying taxes, mostly speak good English, & are goal-oriented to be good American citizens.

I shake my head at the simple-minded as#@&%es that want to send them back to Mexico & Central America, where they can spend their lifetime hating us.

Mountain climber
Sep 6, 2017 - 08:56pm PT
Being a dreamer is really nothing more than being guilty of association.

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Sep 7, 2017 - 08:24am PT
From the AP today on the DACA kids:

Studies have found that the economic damage caused by expelling those protected by the measure would be modest but noticeable. The libertarian Cato Institute estimated it would cost the U.S. economy $215 billion over 10 years, a small drop given that the nation's output is roughly $17 trillion every year.

But most economists see immigration generally as an economic boon. That's particularly true as the U.S. ages, which means more Americans are retiring. Those retirements have slowed the growth of the U.S. workforce a trend that, in turn, limits the economy's potential expansion.

The U.S. economy has expanded at a 2.2 percent annual rate since the Great Recession ended in 2009. President Donald Trump has said he wants to raise that pace to at least 3 percent.

"If you want to raise the economy's underlying growth rate, we should be increasing immigration, not reducing it," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics.

The Cato study notes that beneficiaries of DACA are similar to the highly-skilled immigrants who are granted H-1B visas to work in the United States. The average beneficiary is 22, has a job, and earns about $34,000 a year, Cato says.

Nearly three-fifths reported finding work after the program was implemented, a 2014 survey found, and 45 percent said they received a pay increase.

Deporting DACA recipients would reduce Social Security and Medicare tax revenue by $24.6 billion over a decade, according to research by the Immigrant Legal Resource Center.

Social climber
Sep 7, 2017 - 08:39am PT
^^^^^^ Yup.

Since Obama was elected (Oh my god, there's a black man in the white house!!!), the pendulum has been swinging wildly of late. I sure hope sanity returns soon.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Sep 7, 2017 - 02:57pm PT

This will be a good test of Trump's heart and will.

He can just pardon the whole lot of them.

I imagine you were being sarcastic with the pardon comment, but a pardon wouldn't give them legal status in order to be able to legally have a job.

Too bad, or Obama might have done that on his way out.

It's also a little ironic that most of the dreamers are no longer kids. We already gave them a free K-12 education and many of them have gotten a publicly subsidized college education. Now that they are in the work force paying taxes back into the system, we are going to kick them out.

Just like we used to give foreign students a great college education and then allowed them to stay and work and eventually become citizens.

But now, after giving them a world class education, we kick them back to China, or wherever, so they can compete against us.

Just brilliant in so many ways...

Gym climber
Sep 7, 2017 - 03:08pm PT
The only good reason I can think of for kicking out the so-called Dreamers is that Obama was probably violating the Constitution by setting up DACA.

But that's not a good enough reason for me--people violate the Constitution all the time and the world doesn't come to an end.

state of being
Sep 7, 2017 - 06:44pm PT
The optics will be terrible when the deportations of these young people begins.

And isn't Trump the one who claimed the President has broad authority over immigration issues? Now he says congress should take care of it so he's dumping it on them. He can tell his base that he tried.

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Sep 7, 2017 - 07:06pm PT

I find this amusing.
Timid TopRope

Social climber
the land of Pale Ale
Sep 7, 2017 - 07:10pm PT
I do my best not to take the bait on the politard threads but have perused enough of the OP premise and his/her replies/responses to surmise that yes, you are a Trump Fanboi. Carry on with your whitey-centric logic.

Andy Tomaselli aka Timid TokeRope.

Social climber
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2017 - 11:01am PT
some people have no will power

Ice climber
great white north
Sep 12, 2017 - 08:42pm PT
Trump has now made 576 false claims over 234 days in office an average of 2.5 false claims per day.

Trump has proven uniquely willing to lie, exaggerate and mislead. By all expert accounts, he is more frequently inaccurate than any of his predecessors.

We are keeping track. Below is a list of every false claim Trump has made since his inauguration on Jan. 20.

Why call them false claims, not lies? We cant be sure that each and every one was intentional; in some cases, he may have been confused or ignorant. What we know, objectively, is that he was not telling the truth.

Ice climber
Sep 12, 2017 - 08:46pm PT


just southwest of the center of the universe
Sep 13, 2017 - 02:16pm PT

Ice climber
great white north
Sep 14, 2017 - 07:59pm PT

Ice climber
great white north
Sep 15, 2017 - 05:27am PT
Ann Coulter: 'At this point, who DOESN'T want Trump impeached?'

Sep 15, 2017 - 06:37am PT
^^^One of the few enjoyable moments during this national shitburger called the trump presidency is watching his supporters such as coulter choke on the shitburger they so eagerly consumed the past year.

"Unfit." Well, duh.

Ice climber
great white north
Sep 20, 2017 - 06:42pm PT

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Sep 20, 2017 - 07:06pm PT
As if anybody gives a rat's ass what Coulter thinks...

Trad climber
Sep 20, 2017 - 07:30pm PT
Best speech ever by an orange baffoon. Four score and seven years from now, schoolkids will be asked to recite it.
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