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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 3, 2017 - 11:52am PT
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Make that $399.95 a year, or $39.95 monthly. I saw mention of this on another climbing blogsite by an irate blogger, but didn't understand what 3rd party hosting meant.
Photobucket defines third-party hosting (what is with using 3rd instead of third?) as embedding an image or photo on another website. This includes embedding photos on forums, eBay, Etsy, Craigslist or another other site on the Internet that is not Photobucket.com
So far, on ST, I've only noticed missing photos from DMT, per this example:
It's likely that many of the older threads on ST will lose photos, if those here that linked photos don't pay up.
Here's the new Photobucket terms & pricing:
Free account : Each individual Member gets one free account that provides 2 GB of free storage or space available for your original photo files, or videos under 10min. The free account does not allow any image linking or 3rd party image hosting. If a free account Member exceeds their Content Limit, their account will be immediately suspended and they will need to become a Paying Member (defined below) in order to continue accessing their account. You can upgrade to a Plus account at any time.
Plus Account : The Plus Account offers several paid options that may give the Paying Member more storage, bandwidth, 3rd party image hosting, image linking and/or other services as outlined below. Once and during such period of time in which you subscribe to and pay for a Plus Account, we will consider you a "Paying Member." Please note that all Plus Account subscriptions are billed annually at the commencement of the service. Photobucket may also offer a monthly billing option for its Plus Accounts (see terms and restrictions, below).
Available Plus Account Plans : Photobucket offers the following Plus Account Plans:
o Plus 100 Plan: 102 GB of Storage for $99.99 / Year. The Plus 100 Plan allows for unlimited image linking but does not allow 3rd party image hosting.
o Plus 500 Plan: 500 GB of Storage and unlimited bandwidth for $399.99 / Year. The Plus 500 Plan allows for unlimited image linking and unlimited 3rd party image hosting.
Read more: http://photobucket.com/terms#ixzz4lnDIv8JZ
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I had the sneaking suspicion years ago that I was gonna regret doing Photobucket.
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ruppell
climber
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I have a sneaking suspicion photobucket is gonna regret doing this. People are pissed all over the world wide web.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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#deletephotobucket
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 3, 2017 - 12:12pm PT
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And I know I'm not going to pay Photobucket $399.95 a year for a site that I find slow & somewhat buggy.
Once ST enabled it's own photo-sharing, I mostly stopped using Photobucket.
As of today, Yahoo's Flickr photo-sharing site is still free, fast, & friendly.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Changing the rules in the middle of the game is the classic definition of "chickenshit".
In over ten years, mine's only showing 17% full.
I just put this one up this morning:
But every time I try to use it, it's a bigger pain in the ass than the time before. What used to be simple and straightforward is now a cumbersome process.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Yes, +1 hate on Photobucket. I don't have a lot on there, so I'll save what I really want and not worry about the rest. For now, I'm going with Google photo, free for pretty high quality pics, certainly good enough for sharing on the web.
Oh, one tip: Looks like you have to ad ?.jpg to the url to get it to stick on forums.
BAd
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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I got 1,000 shots there "for free" and got miffed virtually every time I used the service (slow, slow, slow).
When it came time to pony up, I said that's fine, g'bye.
They can kiss my ass if they think their shitty service is worth what they're asking.
Beautiful shot, BTW, Chaz.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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OBAMA!!!
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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And , of course ya' know I just had to open up an account the no- count phooks
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Who'se got free alternatives they like?
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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I pay for Dropbox, excellent storage, lots of great features. It is crucial to my business. They do have a free service.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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#deletephotobucket
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Is U-boat ... er ... utube next?
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perswig
climber
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Even prior to this, PB had become increasingly annoying to use.
Glitchy and interminably slow, I assumed from the ads loading. Pony'd up for 'Pro', fine when you're logged in but the same ad rodeo to GET logged in, and I clear history and cookies pretty often.
Would love more input on alternatives. Flickr, Dropbox, Snapfish, what else?
Such a pain...
Dale
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Flickr has continued to support linking. Their links don't identify the owner of the account, which is nice. But dev efforts to fix bugs aren't super fast. Compounding it is the sale of Yahoo. Maybe it will make it better. As long as you're backing up locally, meaning you keep a copy on your machine and you back up to an external drive from that copy, then your 'extra' copy online is just a free bonus back up for those that you keep available there.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Jul 3, 2017 - 03:29pm PT
Even prior to this, PB had become increasingly annoying to use.
Glitchy and interminably slow, I assumed from the ads loading. Pony'd up for 'Pro', fine when you're logged in but the same ad rodeo to GET logged in, and I clear history and cookies pretty often.
Yeah. I use it mostly with the iPad APP, but it has gotten harder to use with the screen freezing after even simple things like adding a photo or justgetting a link.
No way I'm paying a Franklin for that level of grief.
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nathanael
climber
CA
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flickr
not perfect but does the job
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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I tried to go onto the PB site to delete my account that I have not used for years because their site is awful. Could not even get logged on. I looked at their prices for canvas prints and they are double what everyone else charges. No thanks.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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It's likely that many of the older threads on ST will lose photos, if those here that linked photos don't pay up.
The correct thing for Photobucket to do would be to grandfather in pics that are already hosted, prior to whatever future cutoff date they settle on.
I'm guessing they won't do that, though.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jul 23, 2017 - 10:29am PT
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Please pay up folks if you can...
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jul 23, 2017 - 10:37am PT
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A lot of historically interesting Photobucket photos on old threads do not show up any longer. Neither does Cosmic's photo above... But Cosmic himself can see the photo he has posted on Photobucket, since he in this case is not 3rd party...
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Jul 23, 2017 - 11:22am PT
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thanks to photobucket. glad we could help with all the ad rev we sent your way while we got busy building a mountain of content on your back.
sorry our site got trampled in photobucket's rush for riches. cmac took measures to enable hosting on it's own local server but sadly, we will soldier on without your better image quality.
as photobucket's revenue model evolves to include direct billing, while wreaking havoc upon it's neighbors in the process,
we wave goodbye to your ship as it sails off to greener pastures holding as hostage our now darkened images.
here is the link to this thread which could be included in our email missives to photobucket:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2990725
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jul 23, 2017 - 12:27pm PT
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Photobucket - Justfukkit
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rwedgee
Ice climber
CA
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Jul 23, 2017 - 01:59pm PT
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It's actually not a bad idea...buy some site like Stupertopo then charge everyone $5 to access all their old content.
What is the best hosting alternative ?
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
The real McCoy from the inside of my van.
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Jul 24, 2017 - 11:06am PT
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F*#k those as#@&%es.
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hollyclimber
Big Wall climber
El Portal, CA
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Jul 24, 2017 - 11:30am PT
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Lame. I did trip reports back when photo trip reports were rare. Spent hours doing them and now they are all ruined. Mine and Lorna's adventures shared here from 2007-2009 or so. New Dawn, Shield, NA, Octopussy, On the Waterfront, and more. I know these trip reports show up in Google search and I think its good that up until now people could find chicks crushing on the Big Stone.
Boo photobucket. They should have grandfathered in old links.
I went there and was even willing to pay $100 a year to fix all my trip reports here, plus who knows wherever else I posted content. But its $400!
I think I will invest some personal time in fixing up the trip reports, one I figure out another place/way to host the photos. Too bad they didn't try to find some middle ground for people who were willing to pay something but not $400 a year.
One of my ruined trip reports.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=618730
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Jul 24, 2017 - 12:48pm PT
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PB became too cumbersome for me a few years ago. I felt sort of bad putting my non-climbing images directly on this forum, but feel that expense ought to be born by the service provider as a cost of doing business. You want images to make your site more attractive? That's on you to figure out how to do. I suppose one could make photo uploaders create some sort of account they deposit a sum into, and every time an image goes up, an amount is deducted, based in image size. People known to post valuable images could have to opportunity to be exempt, and the rest of us help support that space with out image fees.
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Dapper Dan
Trad climber
Redwood City
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Jul 24, 2017 - 06:56pm PT
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FWIW I've moved a bunch of photos to imugr and have been really happy with their user interface. And they host pics for free...
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 24, 2017 - 06:59pm PT
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Third-party hosting is the clincher here, and the operative phrase.
That's the phrase they are using for enabling the IMG codes to work on forums such as this one, so that pictures can be posted.
And yes, ONLY their most expensive account, the Plus 500, which is $399.99 per year, will enable this simple, but critical functionality.
The pricing structure is here:
http://photobucket.com/pricing
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I have over 5000 photographs linked from my photobucket to Supertopo.
Oddly, they are all still working, for now.
Here's why:
I have what was once called a Pro account, which used to be $20 per year. Now it is called a Plus 20, and cost me $40 per year as of a few months ago when I renewed it. They don't even sell that account any longer, but I have one, for now.
All of my links will be usable through December 31, 2018. After that, my 12 years worth of Supertopo contributions will be without photographs.
Click on this link and scroll down to the second of two item number three(s) for their statement about this grace period:
http://blog.photobucket.com/please-review-latest-changes-photobucket/
... After that I am in the same bucket as everyone else, $400 per year or cut bait.
Here is a statement from their CEO explaining this outlandish, totally unsustainable bullshit:
http://blog.photobucket.com/photobucket-launches-unlimited-3rd-party-hosting-plan/
And yes, their functionality is crap on many levels, and has been for a year or two. Every single time I try to use photobucket there is some bug in the functionality.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jul 24, 2017 - 07:24pm PT
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It could be possible to write a script that replaced all of the photobucket links with a new hosting link. In Tarbusters case it would be simple enough to have a bot that went post by post downloading the photobucket image, uploading it to a new host and changing the link.
Some bright kid could earn some money doing that. Maybe some enterprising Indians (the ones in India) will do it manually for a good price.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 24, 2017 - 07:53pm PT
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^^^
Exactly what is needed.
There is a lot of historical stuff on this site which could (perhaps) be preserved in such a manner.
I'm all ears!
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jul 24, 2017 - 08:11pm PT
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I posted this in the Lexington TR thread, but it should probably be here, as well:
Then, I am going to find another place to host the photos and restore the trip reports
Can someone explain this whole thing? If I remember, in the early Supertopo days, one had to hang one's photos on some site like Photobucket in order to post them here. But that changed a while back and one can now post photos to ST straight from one's own computer.
So why is photobucket even being talked about? Any file you uploaded to Photobucket had to come from your own computer in the first place, right? So why not just re-upload them to ST from your own computer?
What am I not understanding here?
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nah000
climber
now/here
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Jul 24, 2017 - 08:22pm PT
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^^^^
unless it's a first post or a trip report in the trip report section, one can't edit their old posts on supertopo.
that means the dead link...
is now permanently dead.
and even if chris and co gave temporary access, it'd still take a metric fUck ton of work for some posters to go back in and re-upload all of their photos to the incredibly slow and cumbersome [not to mention the poor resultant quality of] supertopo photo hosting.
hence the annoyance at the hostage taking by photofUcket.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 24, 2017 - 08:33pm PT
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Ghost:
Each photo in photobucket has a link dedicated to that photo in that specific folder.
That same destination link can be used on any number of threads on any number of forums, but if the photograph is moved to another folder, then the link is no longer valid.
Some of us learned a while ago, that if any photobucket folders had their names changed, or if any of the individual photographs were reorganized to different folders, any prior use of that original link was rendered null. (Moving a photo doesn't move the link with it: the link specifies the destination folder).
Lots of people's contributions died just from that unwitting bit of reorganization all on its own. When I made that mistake, a friend of mine (Tim Stich) did some tinkering with the HTML and restored everything the way it was. I asked him how he executed that fix, and he has no recollection of the workaround. But it saved a metric ton of my work here.
The editing feature on this website becomes deactivated after about 11 days IIRC.
So unless someone steps in with some special magic, once you move photographs within photobucket, or once photobucket deactivates third-party hosting, it all goes away.
I never liked the quality and the restrictive nature of the display frame of the in-house photo function here.
With photobucket I was able to keep sizing the photos the way I felt they should be presented. Much better quality. So I stayed with it.
Even if I had switched to the Supertopo photo hosting function when it became available, everything I had done before, with photobucket as the host, would've been lost, unless the account with those particular photographs was maintained.
Failing to maintain my photobucket would've meant losing the photographs in my first 3-5 years of work here, which is most all the good stuff, in terms of my personal contributions.
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nah000
climber
now/here
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Jul 24, 2017 - 09:06pm PT
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for the time being here is a hacky work around if you're wanting to view a photofUckit hosted image:
1. right click on the "PLEASE UPDATE YOUR IMAGE TO ENABLE 3RD PARTY HOSTING" image
2. select "Open Image in New Tab"
3. generally it seems you'll be sent to photobucket's site and get a scrolling wheel of death with an url that looks like: http://photobucket.com/gallery/http://s296.photobucket.com/user/ephollyb/media/Shield%202008/IMG_0186.jpg.html
4. delete everything in the link before the s296 and hit enter
3.a. i say generally because i tried it a few times on cosmic's link and for whatever reason after you've done it a few times sometimes it gives you a link that looks like: http://s164.photobucket.com/albums/u14/cosmiccragsman/COSMetICs%20by%20Cosmic/lockersghost.gif which gets one straight to the goods and you can skip steps 4 and 5.
3.b. i say sometimes because other times it worked fine immediately and went straight to the image without the photobucket framing using a link starting with "i" instead of "s".
anyway, buggy shIt in all directions, but so far i've tried a half dozen or so images, and if it didn't work right out of the gate, then it at least gave me enough info so i could get at the image one way or another. still:
sad.
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 24, 2017 - 09:18pm PT
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If your using Chrome as your browser there's an extension that fixes the issue for now.
Google "photobucket embed fix" and add it as an extension. It's open source and it works by re-directing the links for you.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 24, 2017 - 09:23pm PT
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When CMAC started deactivating people's accounts, I started saving all of my work. 109 threads.
All my threads have been saved to MHTML documents, which need to be converted to PDF, for a more stable and lasting archive.
I saved a few other random threads.
That's how I rescued Cosgrove's posts about Southern Belle: I had saved the thread to my hard drive at a point prior to when his account was deactivated.
It's possible (?) that one could use the Way Back Machine to go in and archive various threads which now have broken links due to photobucket's new policy.
The few times I've tried it, most of the links are broken. It seems spotty at best; useful for text recovery and not so much for photos.
https://archive.org/web/
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Archiving is a good idea in general: there's lots of good stuff here and no guarantee whatsoever that CMAC will strive to maintain the content in perpetuity.
This photobucket policy is definitely a kick in the gut to a big chunk of the content here on the forum.
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Jul 24, 2017 - 10:11pm PT
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Another fix:
The original post of a TR can still be edited. When I hit the edit button the original urls of the now dead PB links appear, including my number or name for the image. I can find the original photo with my computer's search and re-post it to SuperTopo or another host.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 24, 2017 - 10:30pm PT
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I just used ruppell's photo embed fix: an extension for the Chrome browser.
It works! ... I can see Cosmic's picture now.
https://github.com/kzahel/photobucket-embed-fix
Scroll down the page to just below where it shows an example of photobucket's request for updating to allow third-party hosting, and just below that click on Install the extension.
One wonders how long that bridge will be workable.
Now, to decide which of the 500 Supertopo threads in my old list of Explorer favorites I should save ...
[edit] ... Why, the ones in Nah000's marvelous index. And likely more than 500!
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 25, 2017 - 06:28am PT
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10 four, Ding.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 25, 2017 - 08:10am PT
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Crikey! Haven't been to my photobucket account for a couple of years - what a complete spam cesspool it has begun whomever bought it has essentially destroyed its utility and run it into the sleaziest dirt imaginable. Am out of there entirely.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
Wyoming
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Jul 25, 2017 - 09:18am PT
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Perhaps Cmac should contact Photobucket's "leaders" and see if there could be a way for the links we generated for the last seventeen years here to remain working for a consideration of some sort, viz. money. Supertopo really needs to have this functionality, to say the least. And I don't see a zillion $200-$300/yr memberships arising from PB's new tactic and what has to be called a maneuver.
In other words, Photobucket's recent move is really appalling and could well mean the whole PB service is headed toward its end soon. I think they really believed they could make it on advertising but have now faced the music begging and coercing a bail out. I don't see this working at all for them. And now most of us are mad at them too...
Or, pay for something like Chrome's extension written and put in place for the entire ST site's history, grabbing and converting all the image files for another service.
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Darwin
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Screw photobucket, they are big-time evil. That should be emphasized on every posting on this forum (expletives excluded for now).
But Cmac, can you please have your webmaster allow us to edit our older postings. All too many of mine (greater than around 1 month?,wtf?) don't have the edit option even when I'm logged-in.
Thanks,
Darwin
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Yes, it's quite the ridiculous bait and switch from the company known as Photobucket.
A fully functioning account which used to cost $20 per year, now costs nearly $400 per year.
And the upload and general site functionality is now Horrible, with a capital H, (and used to be fairly rock solid).
But enough about that ...
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... For those of you with IT skills:
Question:
I am currently using an extension for my Chrome browser [photobucket embed fix], which allows me to view threads with all of the photobucket content intact. I see photographs instead of a box requesting an account upgrade. NICE!
Problem:
When I save the threads to my hard drive, as a Chrome HTML document [webpage complete], the embed fix doesn't work, so instead of the restored pictures, when I look at the saved document, I once again see Photobucket's block outs with the upgrade request, instead of the restored pictures.
I also have a browser extension which allows me to save directly to PDF [pdfcrowd.com], and it won't save the page with the benefit of the Photobucket Embed Fix either.
Anyone got any ideas?
Cheers,
Roy
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Okay Ding,
That workaround is a cinch for threads I want to bring up in Chrome browser!
Converts into a PDF and retains the Photobucket embed fix.
So I'm off to the races for threads I want to pull up and save to PDF, going forward. Photos intact!
Question, please:
I have well over 100 threads which were saved using Explorer, probably version 7.0, in 2015, on my PC. [MHTML documents].
(If I pull those up in their current form in Chrome, they will likely be missing various photos for reasons other than the current Photobucket jam up).
How do I convert those to PDF, from Explorer, without acquiring (renting), the full Adobe suite? ...(I only have Adobe Reader).
Explorer doesn't present quite the same print>save as PDF workaround opportunity, as does Chrome.
Or does it, through some other route?
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Oct 19, 2017 - 01:42pm PT
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Anybody here using the photobucket embed fix?
I've got the current issue, from October 16, as a browser extension for Chrome, but it ain't working:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fix-embedded-photobucket/cdngpnpgjighldbibdgpddaieidknhlf
The original version worked for a while. And yes, I've been clearing my browser cache/history before using it.
I noticed a few days ago that peoples posts with links to photobucket would show up for about a second, then were quickly replaced by the third party hosting jive.
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