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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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May 31, 2017 - 06:37pm PT
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Really, you think the majority of us are that weak willed, do you? Sheesh.
I think you have a will of steel and for you faith is stupidity, if not just silly. The problem is that, unlike yourself, not everyone is an uberman who's risen above the petty weakness of the masses. Some see the grave and constant slings and arrows of existence as overwhelming without the anodyne nature of their faith. For them religion is vital and necessary. And this may be true for those self sure souls such as yourself in some future situation where the confrontation with mortality cancels the will.
Few atheists in the fox hole. (Sheesh).
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 31, 2017 - 06:45pm PT
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Paul, it's the way you phrase things, often in hyperbole, inaccurately or out of context. I guess I just don't appreciate it the way, say Dingus, does. And yet often I agree with much that you post, so it is rather funny strange.
for you faith is stupidity...
Which type of "faith"? This has been gone over many times already. I employ evidence-based "faith," iow evidence-based trust, on a regular basis in my life.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FQUA9Rh2MCY&feature=youtu.be
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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May 31, 2017 - 06:49pm PT
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Paul, it's the way you phrase things, often in hyperbole, inaccurately or out of context
If you'd had a solid liberal arts education you'd realize I've never used hyperbole and I've never been inaccurate and I always place things in context.
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WBraun
climber
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May 31, 2017 - 07:33pm PT
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That post made no sense.
That's because you're Kanadian.
You're way too far north, to understand.
It's cold up there and sh!t freezes.
Including senses ....... :-)
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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May 31, 2017 - 08:18pm PT
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Spirituality starts where doctrine and beliefs leave off. It starts where Bushman found himself. Adrift. Then what? That's the adventure.
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WBraun
climber
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May 31, 2017 - 08:41pm PT
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Yeah ....
Every boat has a rudder and an anchor.
Except for the most modern ones.
They drift aimlessly masquerading as adventure ........
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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May 31, 2017 - 09:13pm PT
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Bushman: God and/or an explanation of it was no longer interesting to me and a belief in things spiritual was no longer necessary to me.
Er, . . . gosh, but you do have explanations. Just not the one (anymore) that you came to dislike.
In some ways, you've supported Paul’s point. However it leaves you both with interpretations, and that is what the writings and readings might expose for thought. I might be bold here, but Paul’s point might be that human beings grasp for interpretations as reference points in an infinite field of emptiness (no final substances) and hence endless possibilities.
What Largo said afterwards is that an adventure starts when one leaves interpretations behind. (It’s what I would say.)
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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May 31, 2017 - 10:15pm PT
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Problem is that with explanations, you're always switching out one for another that is more better, hoping to find the final right one. But what, exactly, are they referring to?
What persists?
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Largo: . . . more better . . . .
John? Did you write that?
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Mike. I did. For fun.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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^^^next time I'm asked to recommend a name for a new element I'll recommend it, but don't get your hopes up... (I've been asked in the past, by the way).
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Is Religion Doing More Harm Than Good These Days?
Only when your religion is not "dialed in."
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feralfae
Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
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Susan: I have found my religion!
It's Terrie's BEAUTIFUL wire wrapped necklaces. I'm becoming a collector. Can't stop .... I LOVE THEM
Okay, Susan, that was funny! :)
And of course we each our own individual lares and penates of the hearth. Some seem to be a part of our birthright: we like pretty things around us. :)
Just smiling, thank you.
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Religions discourage free thinking. They all claim to have answers to unanswerable questions. We don't accept these answers because they make any kind of sense. Then, why do we accept such fantastic explanations.
Occasionally, some religion or other will actually change their tenants in response to public sentiment (as in the case of the Mormons abandoning polygamy), or under the overwhelming weight of scientific evidence (as in the Catholic church's acceptance of the theory of evolution). These changes seem dubious.
Religions have done more to hold humanity back than to push it forward. The Renaissance did not come about because of a more strict adherence to religious dogma.
I would argue that religions actually prevent us from reaching a state of maturity both as individuals and as a species. Humans don't like uncertainty. Religions provide that certainty that we crave - they provide a parental protection from the uncertainties of life and death. I'm saying this need for certainty is childish and immature. Mature adults (and societies) can deal with uncertainty, they don't need absolute answers to everything. They are still able to think and to learn. They don't need to accept ideas that are not provable. They have learned that it is ok to say, "I don't know".
I believe that truly mature enlightened people (even the few religious ones) got that way by going beyond their religion. They had to take a personal journey to a place where religion does not exist. If this is what is meant by developing a personal relationship with God, then I support this concept. Eliminate the middle man (religion is the middle man).
Finally, I think it is important to distinguish between religion and spirituality. A rejection of religion is by no means a rejection of God or spiritual matters. Like what largo said:
//"Spirituality starts where doctrine and beliefs leave off."
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Nuglet
Trad climber
Orange Murica!
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Trump is the Messiah!!!
fvck this planet!
Follow Him to his New Orange Planet for True Believers!!!
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Wrong thread, nuglet . . .
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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"Spirituality starts where doctrine and beliefs leave off. It starts where Bushman found himself. Adrift. Then what? That's the adventure."
True science starts where doctrine and beliefs leave off.
:-)
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WBraun
climber
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Americans worship the dollar.
All their wars are now because of their dollar religion.
Worthless paper backed by hot air .......
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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America is Putin bitch.
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