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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Except I didn't write it. Those are Paul's words. MikeL per usual, misquotes. But I did agree with it. That, btw, WB, is causation / mechanistics. Welcome to the club.
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WBraun
climber
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Nobody ever denied causation.
Maybe idiots.
But God is de facto absolute fact of which there is absolutely no escape.
Only brainwashed idiots deny ......
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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rbord: . . . That a 5 year old black girl is less innocent and less in need of protection than a 5 year old white girl? Sure, ok. Belief? Sure. Truth? I'm not so sure. . . . we just believe our beliefs for the reasons that we believe them, not necessarily because our beliefs are true. I wonder what those reasons are, and whether we'd be able to believe them if we did learn what they are?
Ha-ha. You’re in the mix, my friend. You’re thinking, feeling, sensing your own consciousness. You do not seem to be espousing dogma or ideology. You question whether there is truth, and you seem to be looking candidly at beliefs. You could be a student of either Derrida or Socrates.
(Pssst, . . . there are no pay grades that matter. What matters to you is what matters. Look at DMT.)
HFCS: MikeL per usual, misquotes.
My apologies, really.
Duck: Nobody ever denied causation.
And nobody ever proved it, either. We might need to learn how to live in that ambiguous space.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Ambiguous space is tough for a lot of people to wrap their heads around.....they want clarity even the made up kind.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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I was thinking of you MikeL when I saw this
If a single person exists beside You
Then the solipsism argument completely dissolves
because you can collaborate between minds
I think this should be debated on the mind thread and really has no application when discussing science and Facts
which depend on more than one mind existing
which is a Fact
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WBraun
climber
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And nobody ever proved it, either. (Causation)
I can prove it instantly when you hit the brick wall at 100 mph in your car .....
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Has religion ever done any good???
Yes. (back to the original question)
But you don't want to hear about and it would be very very boring.
Much more interesting to worry and talk about how horrible it is.
If the majority of people recognized the truth about religion, this thread would not exist.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Craig: I think this should be debated on the mind thread and really has no application when discussing science and Facts.
(Unbelievable. Do you have any idea what you’re talking about when you write?)
Here we are talking about the value of religion. How does science and Facts (mind the capitalization) have a place in the conversation?
What is a “fact,” Craig?
Your ideas about science is naive. I think MB1 has made it clear if you understood anything he wrote in this thread.
Duck: I can prove it instantly when you hit the brick wall at 100 mph in your car .....
No you can’t, and you should know that. You’d be reporting the content of your experience of your perceptions, that’s all.
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WBraun
climber
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Nope.
You'd prove it to yourself right then and there .....
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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You're speculating.
P.S. I'm told that indicates a poor fund of knowledge.
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