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drF

Trad climber
usa
Feb 24, 2017 - 03:02pm PT
The announcement coincide with the justice department rolling back Obamas move have the feds stop using private prisons. Private trump-branded prisons filled with dopers with taxpayers footing the bill. They'll be the very, very best prisons - they'll be so safe and good you won't want to leave them and the homeless will be clamoring to get in.

As always...angry and clueless. Seek THE truth Joe...not YOUR angry biased truth
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Feb 24, 2017 - 09:08pm PT
Good people overdose on opioids instead.
drF

Trad climber
usa
Feb 24, 2017 - 09:25pm PT
^^^^^^
What does this have to do with the private/public prison system?
Mad69Dog

Ice climber
Feb 25, 2017 - 05:48am PT
hobo_dan

Social climber
Minnesota
Feb 25, 2017 - 07:06am PT
well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc4l5EpCMEc
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 25, 2017 - 07:39am PT
John Lennon, dude.

Uncle Sam.



Did he really do it?



The author describes the night Dylan met the Beatles for the first time in 1964. 'Bob tried to roll a joint and it fell to pieces in his hands,' Maymudes wrote, "scattering pot over a bowl of fruit sitting on the table'


Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Feb 25, 2017 - 09:07am PT
I know ~ Doc, !



THREAD DRIFT
for a Tidbit-O-Trivia:
The person with Dylan in the photo above is the Artist Edward Chavez...

The Chavez's were close family friends to my parents and we use to stay in their house (Woodstock NY) when we were visiting...
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I'll be good by 3

Locker!?
. That you and I traveled in the same sphere ever?
Wow!
Do you know of the "Short Stranger" ?

Or Jason's & Jordan's mum?

Balsamo !

mud'der fvcker!

Viva le big pink

Mikey Davoes dove in & broke his neck? ( thought it Karmic! - Still jump'd in )

Scary guy, (I'll remember his name too)he was your age
We was just kidzz

Perv? /wheeze wers all jello/
Got busted sent up
For eat in' teen pie?
David ??? I'm kinda glad I don't remember(
( musta been a fallen Jew?)NO

DEL'ISIO,!


OMG. . . . Frer-kriis-sake berg Judus-kiss








At no point since I brk my phookin Neck has it been a recreation !

The hi-test is way to strong

And the industrial harder & harder to get

If they ever fund or find a decodeder ring I'll be in like Flynn, till that time

I'll, take a brownie and a Micky-phinn!
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Feb 25, 2017 - 09:32am PT
The good/bad people argument is ludicrous.

Weed was more about ritual than mind altering in the 70's.
It was a nice way to connect to others.

When it becomes a lifestyle I think it loses this ability.

While I don't condemn the use of Marijuana and think it should be legalized, I see more harm than good when used as recreation.

tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Feb 25, 2017 - 10:15am PT
Comparative risk assessment of alcohol, tobacco, cannabis and other illicit drugs using the margin of exposure approach

Sci Rep. 2015; 5: 8126.
Published online 2015 Jan 30. doi: 10.1038/srep08126

Abstract
A comparative risk assessment of drugs including alcohol and tobacco using the margin of exposure (MOE) approach was conducted. The MOE is defined as ratio between toxicological threshold (benchmark dose) and estimated human intake. Median lethal dose values from animal experiments were used to derive the benchmark dose. The human intake was calculated for individual scenarios and population-based scenarios. The MOE was calculated using probabilistic Monte Carlo simulations. The benchmark dose values ranged from 2 mg/kg bodyweight for heroin to 531 mg/kg bodyweight for alcohol (ethanol). For individual exposure the four substances alcohol, nicotine, cocaine and heroin fall into the “high risk” category with MOE < 10, the rest of the compounds except THC fall into the “risk” category with MOE < 100. On a population scale, only alcohol would fall into the “high risk” category, and cigarette smoking would fall into the “risk” category, while all other agents (opiates, cocaine, amphetamine-type stimulants, ecstasy, and benzodiazepines) had MOEs > 100, and cannabis had a MOE > 10,000. The toxicological MOE approach validates epidemiological and social science-based drug ranking approaches especially in regard to the positions of alcohol and tobacco (high risk) and cannabis (low risk).

Lachenmeier, Dirk W. 1,2*; Rehm, Jürgen 1,3-7

1Epidemiological Research Unit, Technische Universität Dresden, Klinische Psychologie & Psychotherapie, Dresden, Germany, 2Chemisches und Veterinäruntersuchungsamt (CVUA) Karlsruhe, Germany, 3Social and Epidemiological Research (SER) Department, Centre for Addiction and Mental Health (CAMH), Toronto, Canada, 4Institute of Medical Sciences, University of Toronto (UofT), Toronto, Canada, 5Dalla Lana School of Public Health, UofT, Toronto, Canada, 6Dept. of Psychiatry, Faculty of Medicine, UofT, Toronto, Canada, 7PAHO/WHO Collaborating Centre for Mental Health & Addiction, Toronto, Canada

* Correspondence and requests for materials should be addressed to
D.W.L. (Lachenmeier@web.de)
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Feb 25, 2017 - 10:20am PT
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Feb 25, 2017 - 10:24am PT
Well, O'keydocky

Then if this is pikin' up
Jerry on the peddal Steele?,
kinda sounds , looks that way, for sure it says so on a 2/28/71
" I Don't Know You" hmmm? 4/28/71?? Let's have some. . . .
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Golden fun, when we were young[Click to View YouTube Video]
No one's Goodz as Safronia Brownz'!

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Then cause she wrote the lick as well
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tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Feb 25, 2017 - 10:46am PT

Diazepam = Valium

In the context of the European research project “Addiction and Lifestyles in Contemporary Europe – Reframing Addictions Project”, the aim of this research was to provide a comparative risk assessment of drugs using a novel risk assessment methodology, namely the “Margin of Exposure” (MOE) method. The Margin of Exposure (MOE) is a novel approach to compare the health risk of different compounds and to prioritize risk management actions. The MOE is defined as the ratio between the point on the dose response curve, which characterizes adverse effects in epidemiological or animal studies (the so-called benchmark dose (BMD)), and the estimated human intake of the same compound. Clearly, the lower the MOE, the larger the risk for humans. The BMD approach was first suggested by Crump, and was later refined by the US EPA for quantitative risk assessment. In Europe, the MOE was introduced in 2005 as the preferred method for risk assessment of carcinogenic and genotoxic compounds.
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 25, 2017 - 10:53am PT
That's Victor Maymudes in the photo back a ways.

The famous chess player who beat both Bob Dylan and Bobby Fischer



Mr. Chavez did take the photo though.

Mikhail Tal did smoke, but like Fischer he's dead, whilst Maymudes and Dylan live on.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Mikhail_Tal_1982.jpg


So from our scientific sampling, 1/3 (33%) of smoking chess players have died, whilst all of the non-smokers have died.

QED


Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 25, 2017 - 10:59am PT
I guess I'm just a bad man then.

It's weird though, because I feel like I live my life according to a strong moral code.

It might also be noted that making blanket statements is indicative of lower than average intelligence.
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Feb 25, 2017 - 12:37pm PT
Locker,
I typically avoid engaging you for many reasons however, I don't mind throwing this out there.

Love to see your list of reasons why you think it's harmful...

*It stunts emotional growth when used daily

*It is a depressant

*It is burning vegetable matter introduced to your lungs

* It artificially changes brain chemistry (one may argue it is a natural substance however, introducing THC into your bloodstream is unnatural.)

*It's lazy
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 25, 2017 - 12:49pm PT
Pud...It also stunts vertical growth...I heard locker is a midget...? rj
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 25, 2017 - 12:58pm PT
Yeah...Don't stroke the midget...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 25, 2017 - 01:12pm PT
pud, you forgot, or omitted, to also note that numerous studies have shown its deleterious
effect on memory.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 25, 2017 - 01:23pm PT
Actually, I don't, but I forgot to mention its pernicious capacity for self-delusion.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Feb 25, 2017 - 01:24pm PT
Pick your poison...


Alcohol vs ganja on Overdose, Crime Rates, Driving, Learning & Memory, & Pregnancy...
http://drugabuse.com/marijuana-vs-alcohol/

Some interesting findings here...
Couples' marijuana use is inversely related to their intimate partner violence over the first 9 years of marriage.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25134048?version=meter+at+5&module=meter-Links&pgtype=article&contentId=&mediaId=&referrer=&priority=true&action=click&contentCollection=meter-links-click

Research on the association between marijuana use and intimate partner violence (IPV) has generated inconsistent findings, and has been primarily based on cross-sectional data. We examined whether husbands' and wives' marijuana use predicted both husbands' and wives' IPV perpetration over the first 9 years of marriage (Wave 1, n = 634 couples). We also examined moderation by antisocial behavior, the spouse's marijuana use, and whether IPV was reported during the year before marriage. These predictive associations were calculated using a time-lagged multivariate generalized multilevel model, simultaneously estimating predictors of husband and wife IPV. In fully adjusted models, we found that more frequent marijuana use by husbands and wives predicted less frequent IPV perpetration by husbands. Husbands' marijuana use also predicted less frequent IPV perpetration by wives. Moderation analyses demonstrated that couples in which both spouses used marijuana frequently reported the least frequent IPV perpetration. There was a significant positive association between wives' marijuana use and wives' IPV perpetration, but only among wives who had already reported IPV perpetration during the year before marriage. These findings suggest there may be an overall inverse association between marijuana use and IPV perpetration in newly married couples, although use may be associated with greater risk of perpetration among women with a history of IPV perpetration.
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