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SusanA

Sport climber
Bay Area
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 23, 2017 - 05:28pm PT
We are fortunate that our new government is going to help us to be good.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 23, 2017 - 05:29pm PT
SusanA

Sport climber
Bay Area
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2017 - 05:30pm PT
He looks like hippie, lol! At least he's not smoking anything.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Feb 23, 2017 - 05:35pm PT

The tea the trolls drinking ? It's The kind for sure !



What susanA is talking about is that Jeffie boiy Sassions our new Attorney General he'd of the department of justice said
I'm fine with the good 'ole boys of the klu klux clan, it the pot smokers in this country
who are the bad people we need to arrest and put in jail. . . .


Today, the Sphincter of the Pussey Grabber 'n thief said that the justice department will
Be looking into stopping Recreational use of marijuana.
A clear attack on liberal money and progressive thought. ., .





. . . AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Feb 23, 2017 - 08:55pm PT. "This may cause cognitive dissonance
Little you know., I haven't smoked or ingested any in 4 months. Due to not being able to work as much because of the back and legs, I can't afford it anymore.

snakefoot

climber
Nor Cal
Feb 23, 2017 - 05:36pm PT
cant wait to see where this discussion goes...
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 23, 2017 - 05:37pm PT
Feels like greatness coming back to the USA...ooorah...
Norton

Social climber
Feb 23, 2017 - 05:43pm PT
ah yes, the old adage runs true, elections have consequences

you voted for Donald Trump, proud of yourself?
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Feb 23, 2017 - 05:46pm PT
A fascist government 1/4 filled, and with people who don't know what they are talking about,
but willing to look the other way as the republic comes under attack!
All while the Democratic processes are stripped to the point that they can't function.

It will eventually lead to those with out the funds to stay above it
to have to dwell in the sewers with the rest of the proletariat.

I pity you for as you have embraced already Your rotting feces-like nature
The next 20 yrs will see you having to flip burgers and dip fries into grease
Just so you will have something, that same shjt to eat.
Trashman

Trad climber
SLC
Feb 23, 2017 - 06:42pm PT
States rights*!








*only applies to laws regarding homos, ejucashun, women folk, and guns.
Rock!...oopsie.

Trad climber
the pitch above you
Feb 23, 2017 - 06:44pm PT
This may cause cognitive dissonance for Cosmic.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Feb 23, 2017 - 06:45pm PT
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Feb 23, 2017 - 06:45pm PT
This may cause cognitive dissonance for Cosmic.

not bad.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 23, 2017 - 06:49pm PT
Pretty sure Mozart didn't smoke.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 23, 2017 - 06:59pm PT
Motzart was deep into the meth.

How do you think that little twerp got so much done so fast!

Sean Sphincter just said today that the feds would be enforcing FEDERAL weed laws over the STATES!!
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 23, 2017 - 07:02pm PT
BITD it was amphetamine psychosis, but it is now updated.

Stimulant psychosis is a psychosis symptom which typically occurs following an overdose on psychostimulants, but it also occurs in approximately 0.1% of individuals within the first several weeks after starting amphetamine or methylphenidate therapy.[1][2][3]

The most common causative agents are substituted amphetamines and cocaine.

Trump is a victim.



After guest appearance on Chappell show.




Say what?

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 23, 2017 - 07:16pm PT
Why do you think they call it dope...?
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Feb 23, 2017 - 07:24pm PT
zBrown ^^ I think that picture of Tyrone Biggums is the funniest thing you've ever posted
cavemonkey

Ice climber
ak
Feb 23, 2017 - 07:33pm PT
lets turn this in to another thread about trump!
woot woot!
Mad69Dog

Ice climber
Feb 23, 2017 - 07:49pm PT
...we don't take our trips on LSD...
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 23, 2017 - 07:50pm PT
Trump wants to turn weed production over to big pharma...the only reason he's going to go after the states that have legalized it...mark my words...
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Feb 23, 2017 - 07:51pm PT
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justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Feb 23, 2017 - 08:11pm PT
"This may cause cognitive dissonance for Cosmic."

Very first thought that came to mind.^^^

Deflector shields seem to be holding though.
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 23, 2017 - 08:20pm PT
Jody is right! This is a thread about Bannon and his puppet.

The buzz on Coronado is how Trump authorized the death of one SEAL and the wounding of four others over dinner and tweeted about how great he is while they expired/suffered.

Let 'em all eat medical weed.



7SacredPools

Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
Feb 23, 2017 - 08:22pm PT
That vid by Trae Crowder is spot on and quite moving.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Feb 23, 2017 - 08:30pm PT
That orange clown ain't gonna do squat.
throwpie

Trad climber
Berkeley
Feb 23, 2017 - 08:33pm PT
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Feb 23, 2017 - 08:46pm PT
Axk!


Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Feb 23, 2017 - 08:47pm PT
Action Bronson has your number biotch...

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ecdh

climber
the east
Feb 23, 2017 - 10:30pm PT
Im not good and i dont smoke weed.
Bullshit theory.
Gunkie

Trad climber
Valles Marineris
Feb 24, 2017 - 10:13am PT
The title implies that only bad people smoke dope. I think you're a complete idiot.
Gunkie

Trad climber
Valles Marineris
Feb 24, 2017 - 10:20am PT
Point taken, Jody.
splitter

Trad climber
HighwayToHell
Feb 24, 2017 - 10:39am PT
like prohibition was a big suckcess, eh?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 24, 2017 - 10:41am PT
Some supposed 71% of Americans are in favor of legalization...

...and 100% of addicts like their dope and 95% of fat people think they have a glandular condition.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Feb 24, 2017 - 10:52am PT
Good people don't smoke marijuana. They vape it.
splitter

Trad climber
HighwayToHell
Feb 24, 2017 - 11:06am PT
what cosmic said. shouldn't cost anymore than a pack of cigs. sales would increase as would profits. and, not least of all, bogarting would drop...which would contribute to making America Great once again. ...just saying.
c wilmot

climber
Feb 24, 2017 - 11:08am PT
No Trump brand cannabis? Sad!
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Feb 24, 2017 - 11:16am PT
c_wilmot, it's all part of the plan...


crack down on federal enforcement until the legal cannabis companies give him 51%, then he'll be the champion of legalization and make it clear that the FAKE NEWS is lying about his earlier ban.
jonnyrig

climber
Feb 24, 2017 - 01:44pm PT
Sean Sphincter just said today that the feds would be enforcing FEDERAL weed laws over the STATES!!

Can't be. Aren't those people in charge the same sort of ones who firmly believe in individual state's rights trumping federal law? You know, the same ones who want to sell-off federal lands to the states and strip the law enforcement responsibilities from federal agencies?

Oh the hypocrisy.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 24, 2017 - 01:49pm PT
The announcement coincide with the justice department rolling back Obamas move have the feds stop using private prisons. Private trump-branded prisons filled with dopers with taxpayers footing the bill. They'll be the very, very best prisons - they'll be so safe and good you won't want to leave them and the homeless will be clamoring to get in.
jonnyrig

climber
Feb 24, 2017 - 02:02pm PT
Walmart FEMA Death Camps! Walmart FEMA Death Camps! The nut jobs predicted during Obama's reign!
drF

Trad climber
usa
Feb 24, 2017 - 03:02pm PT
The announcement coincide with the justice department rolling back Obamas move have the feds stop using private prisons. Private trump-branded prisons filled with dopers with taxpayers footing the bill. They'll be the very, very best prisons - they'll be so safe and good you won't want to leave them and the homeless will be clamoring to get in.

As always...angry and clueless. Seek THE truth Joe...not YOUR angry biased truth
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Feb 24, 2017 - 09:08pm PT
Good people overdose on opioids instead.
drF

Trad climber
usa
Feb 24, 2017 - 09:25pm PT
^^^^^^
What does this have to do with the private/public prison system?
Mad69Dog

Ice climber
Feb 25, 2017 - 05:48am PT
hobo_dan

Social climber
Minnesota
Feb 25, 2017 - 07:06am PT
well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc4l5EpCMEc
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 25, 2017 - 07:39am PT
John Lennon, dude.

Uncle Sam.



Did he really do it?



The author describes the night Dylan met the Beatles for the first time in 1964. 'Bob tried to roll a joint and it fell to pieces in his hands,' Maymudes wrote, "scattering pot over a bowl of fruit sitting on the table'


Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Feb 25, 2017 - 09:07am PT
I know ~ Doc, !



THREAD DRIFT
for a Tidbit-O-Trivia:
The person with Dylan in the photo above is the Artist Edward Chavez...

The Chavez's were close family friends to my parents and we use to stay in their house (Woodstock NY) when we were visiting...
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I'll be good by 3

Locker!?
. That you and I traveled in the same sphere ever?
Wow!
Do you know of the "Short Stranger" ?

Or Jason's & Jordan's mum?

Balsamo !

mud'der fvcker!

Viva le big pink

Mikey Davoes dove in & broke his neck? ( thought it Karmic! - Still jump'd in )

Scary guy, (I'll remember his name too)he was your age
We was just kidzz

Perv? /wheeze wers all jello/
Got busted sent up
For eat in' teen pie?
David ??? I'm kinda glad I don't remember(
( musta been a fallen Jew?)NO

DEL'ISIO,!


OMG. . . . Frer-kriis-sake berg Judus-kiss








At no point since I brk my phookin Neck has it been a recreation !

The hi-test is way to strong

And the industrial harder & harder to get

If they ever fund or find a decodeder ring I'll be in like Flynn, till that time

I'll, take a brownie and a Micky-phinn!
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Feb 25, 2017 - 09:32am PT
The good/bad people argument is ludicrous.

Weed was more about ritual than mind altering in the 70's.
It was a nice way to connect to others.

When it becomes a lifestyle I think it loses this ability.

While I don't condemn the use of Marijuana and think it should be legalized, I see more harm than good when used as recreation.

tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Feb 25, 2017 - 10:15am PT
Comparative risk assessment of alcohol, tobacco, cannabis and other illicit drugs using the margin of exposure approach

Sci Rep. 2015; 5: 8126.
Published online 2015 Jan 30. doi: 10.1038/srep08126

Abstract
A comparative risk assessment of drugs including alcohol and tobacco using the margin of exposure (MOE) approach was conducted. The MOE is defined as ratio between toxicological threshold (benchmark dose) and estimated human intake. Median lethal dose values from animal experiments were used to derive the benchmark dose. The human intake was calculated for individual scenarios and population-based scenarios. The MOE was calculated using probabilistic Monte Carlo simulations. The benchmark dose values ranged from 2 mg/kg bodyweight for heroin to 531 mg/kg bodyweight for alcohol (ethanol). For individual exposure the four substances alcohol, nicotine, cocaine and heroin fall into the “high risk” category with MOE < 10, the rest of the compounds except THC fall into the “risk” category with MOE < 100. On a population scale, only alcohol would fall into the “high risk” category, and cigarette smoking would fall into the “risk” category, while all other agents (opiates, cocaine, amphetamine-type stimulants, ecstasy, and benzodiazepines) had MOEs > 100, and cannabis had a MOE > 10,000. The toxicological MOE approach validates epidemiological and social science-based drug ranking approaches especially in regard to the positions of alcohol and tobacco (high risk) and cannabis (low risk).

Lachenmeier, Dirk W. 1,2*; Rehm, Jürgen 1,3-7

1Epidemiological Research Unit, Technische Universität Dresden, Klinische Psychologie & Psychotherapie, Dresden, Germany, 2Chemisches und Veterinäruntersuchungsamt (CVUA) Karlsruhe, Germany, 3Social and Epidemiological Research (SER) Department, Centre for Addiction and Mental Health (CAMH), Toronto, Canada, 4Institute of Medical Sciences, University of Toronto (UofT), Toronto, Canada, 5Dalla Lana School of Public Health, UofT, Toronto, Canada, 6Dept. of Psychiatry, Faculty of Medicine, UofT, Toronto, Canada, 7PAHO/WHO Collaborating Centre for Mental Health & Addiction, Toronto, Canada

* Correspondence and requests for materials should be addressed to
D.W.L. (Lachenmeier@web.de)
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Feb 25, 2017 - 10:20am PT
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Feb 25, 2017 - 10:24am PT
Well, O'keydocky

Then if this is pikin' up
Jerry on the peddal Steele?,
kinda sounds , looks that way, for sure it says so on a 2/28/71
" I Don't Know You" hmmm? 4/28/71?? Let's have some. . . .
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Golden fun, when we were young[Click to View YouTube Video]
No one's Goodz as Safronia Brownz'!

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Then cause she wrote the lick as well
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tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Feb 25, 2017 - 10:46am PT

Diazepam = Valium

In the context of the European research project “Addiction and Lifestyles in Contemporary Europe – Reframing Addictions Project”, the aim of this research was to provide a comparative risk assessment of drugs using a novel risk assessment methodology, namely the “Margin of Exposure” (MOE) method. The Margin of Exposure (MOE) is a novel approach to compare the health risk of different compounds and to prioritize risk management actions. The MOE is defined as the ratio between the point on the dose response curve, which characterizes adverse effects in epidemiological or animal studies (the so-called benchmark dose (BMD)), and the estimated human intake of the same compound. Clearly, the lower the MOE, the larger the risk for humans. The BMD approach was first suggested by Crump, and was later refined by the US EPA for quantitative risk assessment. In Europe, the MOE was introduced in 2005 as the preferred method for risk assessment of carcinogenic and genotoxic compounds.
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 25, 2017 - 10:53am PT
That's Victor Maymudes in the photo back a ways.

The famous chess player who beat both Bob Dylan and Bobby Fischer



Mr. Chavez did take the photo though.

Mikhail Tal did smoke, but like Fischer he's dead, whilst Maymudes and Dylan live on.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Mikhail_Tal_1982.jpg


So from our scientific sampling, 1/3 (33%) of smoking chess players have died, whilst all of the non-smokers have died.

QED


Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 25, 2017 - 10:59am PT
I guess I'm just a bad man then.

It's weird though, because I feel like I live my life according to a strong moral code.

It might also be noted that making blanket statements is indicative of lower than average intelligence.
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Feb 25, 2017 - 12:37pm PT
Locker,
I typically avoid engaging you for many reasons however, I don't mind throwing this out there.

Love to see your list of reasons why you think it's harmful...

*It stunts emotional growth when used daily

*It is a depressant

*It is burning vegetable matter introduced to your lungs

* It artificially changes brain chemistry (one may argue it is a natural substance however, introducing THC into your bloodstream is unnatural.)

*It's lazy
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 25, 2017 - 12:49pm PT
Pud...It also stunts vertical growth...I heard locker is a midget...? rj
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 25, 2017 - 12:58pm PT
Yeah...Don't stroke the midget...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 25, 2017 - 01:12pm PT
pud, you forgot, or omitted, to also note that numerous studies have shown its deleterious
effect on memory.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 25, 2017 - 01:23pm PT
Actually, I don't, but I forgot to mention its pernicious capacity for self-delusion.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Feb 25, 2017 - 01:24pm PT
Pick your poison...


Alcohol vs ganja on Overdose, Crime Rates, Driving, Learning & Memory, & Pregnancy...
http://drugabuse.com/marijuana-vs-alcohol/

Some interesting findings here...
Couples' marijuana use is inversely related to their intimate partner violence over the first 9 years of marriage.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25134048?version=meter+at+5&module=meter-Links&pgtype=article&contentId=&mediaId=&referrer=&priority=true&action=click&contentCollection=meter-links-click

Research on the association between marijuana use and intimate partner violence (IPV) has generated inconsistent findings, and has been primarily based on cross-sectional data. We examined whether husbands' and wives' marijuana use predicted both husbands' and wives' IPV perpetration over the first 9 years of marriage (Wave 1, n = 634 couples). We also examined moderation by antisocial behavior, the spouse's marijuana use, and whether IPV was reported during the year before marriage. These predictive associations were calculated using a time-lagged multivariate generalized multilevel model, simultaneously estimating predictors of husband and wife IPV. In fully adjusted models, we found that more frequent marijuana use by husbands and wives predicted less frequent IPV perpetration by husbands. Husbands' marijuana use also predicted less frequent IPV perpetration by wives. Moderation analyses demonstrated that couples in which both spouses used marijuana frequently reported the least frequent IPV perpetration. There was a significant positive association between wives' marijuana use and wives' IPV perpetration, but only among wives who had already reported IPV perpetration during the year before marriage. These findings suggest there may be an overall inverse association between marijuana use and IPV perpetration in newly married couples, although use may be associated with greater risk of perpetration among women with a history of IPV perpetration.
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 25, 2017 - 01:38pm PT
2014 Review. I'm not going to spend any more time on it, but I don't see any mention of memory deficit studies,

Abstract

Aims

To examine changes in the evidence on the adverse health effects of cannabis since 1993.
Methods

A comparison of the evidence in 1993 with the evidence and interpretation of the same health outcomes in 2013.
Results

Research in the past 20 years has shown that driving while cannabis-impaired approximately doubles car crash risk and that around one in 10 regular cannabis users develop dependence. Regular cannabis use in adolescence approximately doubles the risks of early school-leaving and of cognitive impairment and psychoses in adulthood. Regular cannabis use in adolescence is also associated strongly with the use of other illicit drugs. These associations persist after controlling for plausible confounding variables in longitudinal studies. This suggests that cannabis use is a contributory cause of these outcomes but some researchers still argue that these relationships are explained by shared causes or risk factors. Cannabis smoking probably increases cardiovascular disease risk in middle-aged adults but its effects on respiratory function and respiratory cancer remain unclear, because most cannabis smokers have smoked or still smoke tobacco.
Conclusions

The epidemiological literature in the past 20 years shows that cannabis use increases the risk of accidents and can produce dependence, and that there are consistent associations between regular cannabis use and poor psychosocial outcomes and mental health in adulthood.
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Feb 25, 2017 - 02:06pm PT
pud, you forgot, or omitted, to also note that numerous studies have shown its deleterious
effect on memory.

Yeah, I forgot ;)
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Feb 25, 2017 - 02:30pm PT
Reilly, Im only joshing ya! Glasses or no glasses. ;)
AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Feb 25, 2017 - 02:42pm PT
Luckily the bad people are more fun
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Feb 25, 2017 - 03:47pm PT
I'm not condoning driving while stoned...

THE EFFECT OF CANNABIS COMPARED WITH ALCOHOL ON DRIVING
R. Andrew Sewell, MD,corresponding author James Poling, PhD, and Mehmet Sofuoglu, MD, PhD

Am J Addict. Author manuscript; available in PMC 2010 May 1.
Published in final edited form as:
Am J Addict. 2009; 18(3): 185–193.
doi: 10.1080/10550490902786934

The prevalence of both alcohol and cannabis use and the high morbidity associated with motor vehicle crashes has lead to a plethora of research on the link between the two. Drunk drivers are involved in 25% of motor vehicle fatalities, and many accidents involve drivers who test positive for cannabis. Cannabis and alcohol acutely impair several driving-related skills in a dose-related fashion, but the effects of cannabis vary more between individuals than they do with alcohol because of tolerance, differences in smoking technique, and different absorptions of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active ingredient in marijuana. Detrimental effects of cannabis use vary in a dose-related fashion, and are more pronounced with highly automatic driving functions than with more complex tasks that require conscious control, whereas with alcohol produces an opposite pattern of impairment. Because of both this and an increased awareness that they are impaired, marijuana smokers tend to compensate effectively while driving by utilizing a variety of behavioral strategies. Combining marijuana with alcohol eliminates the ability to use such strategies effectively, however, and results in impairment even at doses which would be insignificant were they of either drug alone. Epidemiological studies have been inconclusive regarding whether cannabis use causes an increased risk of accidents; in contrast, unanimity exists that alcohol use increases crash risk. Furthermore, the risk from driving under the influence of both alcohol and cannabis is greater than the risk of driving under the influence of either alone. Future research should focus on resolving contradictions posed by previous studies, and patients who smoke cannabis should be counseled to wait several hours before driving, and avoid combining the two drugs.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Feb 25, 2017 - 03:50pm PT
*It is burning vegetable matter introduced to your lungs

you don't have to smoke it, you can partake in edibles...

OR the patch...
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 25, 2017 - 07:02pm PT
How to get rid of weed using a flame thrower

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Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 26, 2017 - 01:05am PT
drF

Trad climber
usa
Feb 26, 2017 - 03:55am PT
Yeah...Don't stroke the midget...

He wears a sz small harness.....nuff said.
rincon

climber
Coarsegold
Feb 26, 2017 - 07:51am PT
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tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Feb 26, 2017 - 08:42am PT
The Botany of Desire by Michael Pollan

Cannabis: intoxication
Plants have always excelled at the science of biochemistry, drawing sustenance by converting the sun's energy into organic compounds, discovering ways of poisoning or sickening their predators, evolving sights, tastes and smells that enlist animals in their reproduction. But a few plants have hit upon an especially ingenious approach to ensuring their survival, producing chemicals that have the power to alter how humans experience the world.

Cannabis—more commonly known as marijuana—seems to have long ago adopted a strategy of tying its fortunes to humans, appealing in particular to our innate desire to alter consciousness, a desire that spans nearly every culture and historical period. In exchange, humans have gone to extraordinary lengths, often at their own peril, to help the plant grow and reproduce.

Just what is the knowledge held out by a plant such as cannabis--and why is it forbidden?
Though marijuana has been in use in one form or another for as long as history has been recorded, the plant has undergone its greatest transformation only in the last few decades. Ironically, that change occurred just at the moment when the future of the plant seemed most in doubt.

In the 1960s, the U.S. government decided to crack down on the growing popularity of marijuana by declaring a war on drugs and launching a fierce assault against it. Border agents stepped up interdiction efforts. Crop dusters sprayed poisonous pesticides wherever the plants were spotted.

But rather than surrender, marijuana did what few people expected: It moved indoors, adopting a new evolutionary strategy that not only seems to have ensured its survival, but also has left it stronger than ever before.

The reason is fairly simple. As marijuana cultivation moved indoors, highly skilled gardeners had to learn how to tend their crops in delicately maintained artificial environments, cross-breeding it with other distant varieties and constantly selecting the strongest strains. Protecting these indoor plants from pests and disease requires constant vigilance, often by expensive, computerized systems that monitor every aspect of the environment and ensure the most optimal growing conditions. But the desire for intoxication is so strong that people will take great risks to satisfy it. So thanks to the efforts of these high-tech gardeners, marijuana has become a much faster-growing, far more potent plant than at any other time in its history—and one of the biggest cash crops in America.

But there is another part of this story that is ultimately even more important: Our long relationship with marijuana has caused scientists to ask what it is about the plant that enables it to affect people the way it does—and in their efforts to answer that question, they stumbled upon a whole new network of brain receptors we otherwise might never have discovered. The main psychoactive molecule in marijuana, tetrahydrocannabinol, known as THC, binds to these receptors. But so, it turns out, does a molecule our own brain produces—a discovery that is offering new insights into the workings of our memory, emotion and consciousness.

The human desire for intoxication may have transformed a pygmy weed into one of the most valuable crops in the world. But in a kind of co-evolutionary quid pro quo that is as fascinating as it is surprising, the plant has in turn enabled us to unlock some of the deepest secrets of our own brains.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Feb 26, 2017 - 11:50am PT
When you get stupid on marijuana, you're the first person in the room to know it.
When you get stupid on alcohol, you're the last person in the room to know it.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 26, 2017 - 12:41pm PT
My father lived next door to a California State Supreme Court justice as a kid and said he had two glass jars on his pipe stand, one for tobacco and one for...yep.
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 26, 2017 - 03:17pm PT
I mentioned the buzz in Coronado a ways back.


Father of dead Navy SEAL refused to meet Trump at ceremony


The father of a Navy SEAL killed during an anti-terrorism raid in Yemen is demanding an investigation into its planning and criticized the Trump administration for its timing.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/father-of-dead-navy-seal-refused-to-meet-trump-at-ceremony/2017/02/26/567f39ca-fc37-11e6-9b78-824ccab94435_story.html?utm_term=.c43e4571f397

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Feb 26, 2017 - 03:30pm PT
Every soldiers parent should do that^^^
Caveman

climber
Cumberland Plateau
Feb 26, 2017 - 07:39pm PT
So, the most high tech gardeners in the world exist now in the US? I hate to bust the American bubble but cannabis has been hybridized for thousands of years. I'm still waiting for the supermed that is going to rival some Afgani I had in the 80's. One thing the US is the greatest at is leveraging the price of a backyard plant into the stratosphere.
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 26, 2017 - 08:04pm PT

Specious thesis Pollman.
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Feb 26, 2017 - 08:38pm PT
Unbeknownst to me, I got it when I was going through cancer in Santa Clara. I was nauseated, 24 x 7, for 7 weeks. I did not think I could make it through the 7 weeks. (It was week 2.) I had a reaction to a drug, and I got put into isolation until they figured that out. They questioned me in the ER searching for an allergy or something, but I could only complain about the nausea (forget the 104 temp), so they slipped me dronabinol (man-made THC) with my regular meds but did not tell me about the dronabinol. After a couple days in isolation, my wife tells me that I must be feeling better from the reaction because I’m eating hospital food and was not complaining about nausea. She was right. I mentioned this as I left the hospital a couple days later to an intern, and he laughed and told me about the dronabinol.

I wouldn’t have thought THC would have made a difference. It really did.

My oncologist then prescribed it. When I went to the stores in the Bay Area, I was surprised to learn that the people / owners could not advise me which strain would be best for my ill. They just did not know. They suggested I experiment and find what would work. I was surprised.

Someone could do some research.
tangen_foster

Trad climber
Danbury, Wisconsin
Feb 27, 2017 - 09:08am PT
2016 data from National Institute of Drug Abuse (NIDA) https://www.drugabuse.gov/drugs-abuse/marijuana
• THC overactivates certain brain cell receptors, resulting in effects such as:
• altered senses
• changes in mood
• impaired body movement
• difficulty with thinking and problem-solving
• impaired memory and learning
• Marijuana use may have a wide range of effects, both physical and mental, which include:
• breathing illnesses
• possible harm to a fetus’s brain in pregnant users
• hallucinations and paranoia
• The amount of THC in marijuana has been increasing steadily, creating more harmful effects for users.
• Marijuana can be addictive.
Some research suggests that marijuana use is likely to come before use of other drugs (research in 2015). Marijuana use is also linked to addiction to other substances, including nicotine. In addition, animal studies show that the THC in marijuana makes other drugs more pleasurable to the brain (research in 2013).

Although these findings support the idea of marijuana as a "gateway drug," the majority of people who use marijuana don't go on to use other "harder" drugs (NIDA, 2016).

WBraun

climber
Feb 27, 2017 - 09:11am PT
Marijuana is a medicine for those who are sick.

So all those who need to use it are sick .......
Gastoner

Trad climber
Ca
Feb 27, 2017 - 09:29am PT
One toke over the line...





Two tokes over the line....














3 tokes over the line.....
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Feb 27, 2017 - 09:38am PT
Caveman

climber
Cumberland Plateau
Feb 27, 2017 - 09:44am PT
Alcohol is a medicine for those who are sick.

So all those who need to use it are sick .......
plund

Social climber
OD, MN
Feb 27, 2017 - 09:53am PT
MikeL, glad to hear you've had good results, keep kicking its (cancer's) ass...

I find this somewhat alarming, however..."so they slipped me dronabinol (man-made THC) with my regular meds but did not tell me about the dronabinol."

So the hospital 'spiked' your meds & didn't tell you? Does anyone else find this highly suspect / unusual?
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 27, 2017 - 09:54am PT
it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society

 some drunk
Nick Danger

Ice climber
Arvada, CO
Feb 27, 2017 - 10:11am PT
Loved this thread, even the snark had a high level of humor. Insofar as maryjane being a gateway drug, it led me to abuse fast motorcycles and steep ice. Not yet quite reformed. Sometimes rehabilitation takes a long time and can be painful. Might need a little something to take the edge off.
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 27, 2017 - 10:19am PT

Glue huffing is a medicine for those who may or may not be sick.

So all those who need to huff glue may or may not be sick .......
plund

Social climber
OD, MN
Feb 27, 2017 - 10:35am PT
Tami...what's an 'MI'?

Still find it unsettling that (unless you're in a coma)meds are administered without notification / explanation...but that's just me!

plund

Social climber
OD, MN
Feb 27, 2017 - 12:10pm PT
Scary, Tami! Bet there weren't a whole lotta 'guffaws' happening.

Believe me, I have NO objections to THC in any form or delivery method...come to think of it my 12 days in the hospital (2013, ended up donating a foot of colon) would definitely have been improved by that particular palliative! I just thought there's some kind of notification standard, legally.
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Feb 27, 2017 - 05:02pm PT
plund: So the hospital 'spiked' your meds & didn't tell you? Does anyone else find this highly suspect / unusual?

What Tami said.

I was not in very good shape. I was being a baby. I was just sooooo sick. My existence was being as still as I could be to minimize the feeling of the sickness. I complained to *everyone* I met. Just to get me to talk about something else in the ER, they gave me a shot of Dilaudid, and that was wonderful. Finally, some relief.

I’ve asked nurses what they are giving me when I’ve been in the hospital, and then the nurses told me dronabinol was for nausea, and that it could help me to eat. Down it went. For a few days we were fighting with 104 degree heat spikes, and I had puffed up like the Pillsbury Dough Boy with a rash all over my body; so I think they wanted me to just relax while 5 of them went through a long list of protocols. Internal medicine did not trust oncology when the latter said it was a drug reaction.

Anyway, the medical center personnel that I had worked with were tops in my book. Very good organization.
WBraun

climber
Feb 27, 2017 - 05:16pm PT
Americans are very diseased and always need some intoxicants to make them forget the pains of the over materialization of their spirit .....
bob

climber
Feb 27, 2017 - 05:31pm PT
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Feb 27, 2017 - 06:02pm PT
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Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Feb 27, 2017 - 06:18pm PT
Before my winemaking days I was a composite tool designer in aerospace. I was in Orange County on a contract job (B-2 refueling receptacle and C-17 duct work). I was working 6 days/week and used to getting up early, so as usual one Sunday I went ot the local convenience store to get a Sunday paper. As I walked up I noticed the cop cars. Went inside and asked the clerk what was going on. Turned out some young guy had come in and bought some gas. All he had for a container was a plastic jug. He bought his quart or so of gas and then proceeded into the store and started drinking the stuff. I was stunned. Cheap high for sure but..... man.

When I was working in Seattle at Heath Techna they hired a kid to grind composite parts. Suited him up with a respirator and sent him into the grind booth. He didn't come out. Someone went to see what was going on. He'd taken a rag and soaked it in acetone then put it inside his respirator. The ultimate huff I guess. He was passed out. They sent to hospital, then gave him another chance. Same thing happened. That's f*#ked up.

Ain't nothing wrong with legal pot.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Feb 27, 2017 - 06:35pm PT
This is FYI only....Strains of ganja for Nausea. I cannot attest to the quality of any of these strains for nausea treatment because I have not tried any of them...maybe others can comment...

Strains for Nausea
There are many strains of cannabis, both sativa and indica varieties, that are especially helpful for relieving nausea and alleviating vomiting and other gastrointestinal disturbances. The following are some of the more effective strains across the board of indica, sativa, and hybrid categories, but this is in no way a comprehensive list.

Platinum OG (indica): An indica-dominant hybrid that provides a comforting blanket of body relaxation while the high THC content helps reduce pain and nausea and acts as an appetite stimulant.

Northern Lights (indica): This classic strain leaves users relaxed and euphoric while relieved of stress, anxiety, and nausea. It also helps to stimulate the appetite.

Super Lemon Haze (hybrid): A sativa-dominant from South Africa that leaves users feeling energized, motivated, and clear-headed. It combats depression, fatigue, pain, and nausea, but it may not be the best choice for those suffering from anxiety.

Girl Scout Cookies (hybrid): A cross of Durban Poison and OG Kush, the cerebral effects of this strain hit hard and fast. This strain will combat stress, nausea, and pain, and has been known to stimulate the appetite. It tests high in THC and may be too intense for novice users.

Optimus Prime (indica): An indica-dominant strain that is common among patients to produce a slowly creeping buzz that covers the body in relaxation. It also aids in calming nausea, easing aches and pains, and inducing strong appetite. Can result in couchlock, especially for inexperienced users.

https://www.whaxy.com/learn/does-cannabis-help-nausea-vomiting


zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 27, 2017 - 07:31pm PT


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SusanA

Sport climber
Bay Area
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2017 - 10:48pm PT
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Apr 19, 2017 - 02:09am PT
So, the most high tech gardeners in the world exist now in the US?

I'm guessing the Israelis have us beat on that.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/marijuana-in-israel

oh, and I'm a very bad person...I guess
Matt Sarad

climber
Apr 19, 2017 - 08:48am PT
As my dubious climbing career was winding down, I was handed a corncob pipe at the base of the Kern Slabs. I took a few hits and moved more slowly up the rock, embracing the mellow mojo.

Just that one time, and it let me know that the fear I had felt at the Needles, JT, Taquitz, and run out but easy pitches at the left side of Dome Rock might have been handled with herbal enhancement.
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Apr 19, 2017 - 09:12am PT
There's a right way to be a human and a wrong way to be a human. You're just doing it all wrong.

For the definitive guide on the right way to be a human, just believe what I believe, and do what I do.

Repeat ad nauseum.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Apr 19, 2017 - 10:21am PT
I have voted to legalize it, and will continue to advocate keeping it legal; I have partaken a handful of times in my life; but ultimately I think it hurts people more than it helps them.

Maybe chronic pain management is a different story... But in my experience heavy usage diminishes people's capacity to deal with adversity or manage their own emotions. People who seem cool while they are stoned can often be @ssh0les when they don't have access to the weed. Maybe they are fundamentally objectionable people and the magic weed makes them tolerable. I think it is the other way around though... the short-cuts of mental pleasure and satisfaction that marijuana can provide, while skipping the inner emotional development and not cultivating the subordination of negative impulses to facilitate positive collaboration with other people... by taking these short-cuts, habitual users lose the skills (or never develop them in the first place) to be easy-going people without the external chemical assist.

All that said, I don't think it's the government's role to decide for us where is that line of occasional help vs enabling degeneration. As a societal policy, it seems less dangerous than alcohol because it is less associated with violence. But that can be debatable if you consider not just the impact when a person is under the influence, but also how they change when they are not under the influence.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Apr 19, 2017 - 03:53pm PT
Yeah, whatever...
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 19, 2017 - 04:27pm PT
Ok, I readily admit it's been conclusively proven one can climb straight even if it takes decades to master and is way, way suboptimal.
skitch

Gym climber
Bend Or
Apr 19, 2017 - 04:49pm PT
I don't climb on it, but I smoke every night to forget who I am.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Apr 19, 2017 - 05:38pm PT
I should clarify my post a bit. I don't think everyone who smokes is an azz when they're not high. It just seems from my somewhat limited pool of experience (growing up around it with a parent, other housemates that we shared houses with at that time, and parents of friends, and college mates and people I lived with during those years, and housemates I had during a transitional period when I left my first wife...

Among these people I have known many occasional users who are cool people, a few heavy users who seem pretty cool but maybe I never saw them when they weren't high because they smoked every day religiously. But people I have known who are heavy users that I have seen when they are not high... pretty cranky, high strung, and selfish people.

I say all this not to condemn anyone, but to share another aspect of pot smoking and potential effects as it starts being a mainstream acceptable thing. It is not a cure-all and society fixer.

But everyone has their own row to hoe, and everyone can figure out for themselves how to best to go about that.
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Apr 19, 2017 - 06:20pm PT
I remember going to see a midnight movie 40 years ago in Providence RI. I think they were playing Harold and Maude. And I think the opening act was Reefer Madness. Everyone is smoking pot - the place is one big cloud. All college students taking a break from smoking pot in the dorms. Alll the sudden the movie stops, the lights come on, the doors open and cops bust in from every door, and some undercovers in the crowd stand up and start pointing out those evil pot smokers to the cops, who round up and arrest them all.

Well, not all ... How did I get out of that one with a clean record? And seriously, wtf??!! IMHO, ithe problem is not so much the pot smokers, as it is the people who get all bent out of shape over the pot smokers.

All the freaky people make the beauty of the world :-) And here I am, stuck being an engineer-brain.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 19, 2017 - 06:54pm PT
Freaky people are fine, as long as they're not driving my train.
skitch

Gym climber
Bend Or
Apr 19, 2017 - 07:28pm PT
I awoke in the age of wires fell asleep at the dusk of man...
-Connor Oberst
-Souled Out
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Apr 19, 2017 - 08:05pm PT
Smot poking will stunt your growth..
drF

Trad climber
usa
Apr 19, 2017 - 08:11pm PT
If you smoke weed you'll end up angry...like CraigF
WBraun

climber
Apr 19, 2017 - 08:13pm PT
Good people who are sick and need the medicine marijuana use it.

healthy people don't need it or use it.

If you're healthy and use it it will make your consciousness ultimately sick.

The thread title is so stoopid .....
WBraun

climber
Apr 19, 2017 - 09:11pm PT
Probably some other medicine such as Prozac that Ken M prescribed thru a misdiagnosed fubar ..... :-)
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Apr 19, 2017 - 09:16pm PT
Smoking marijuana has nothing to do with whether you are a good person, or not. Good people are determined by what they do in life.
WBraun

climber
Apr 19, 2017 - 09:20pm PT
Yes ^^^^

That's why the thread title is stoopid ......
SusanA

Sport climber
Bay Area
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 20, 2017 - 01:11am PT
lol, Tell that to Willie Nelson!

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Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Apr 20, 2017 - 04:41am PT
4 / 20
Bump,
akin to wishing I had some.

Good people don't smoke pot
They eat it now.
If to inhale a flowers smoke be a make or break.
It is
Already broke.

The way it seems,

the just say No grandmas ?
They smoked dirt weed.

Now It would be different
The now is so to high test you need to take a rest.

I prefer a mild buzz. A buzz that proffers a tidy smile and lite laugh.
That I can (&some times 5 times) a day and still afford a coffee.
I'm industrial, low grade stems n seeds to feed to my boids.

I've not afforded a splief in years!
And the leaf I'd use has no longer been safe to grow for me.
I've moved out of the woods, my back yard idjut, burns everything all the time from smoke stack to wet pine, in piles . His woods!? Not mine !
Wow
It sucks not Having half a dozen girlfriends in!


know, I'm old now, and my friends in Durango are too, with kids and other pass times,
one couple has a yurt somewhere.

I'm glad to try to build the stoke, &
Pass along any advice that I can. I've been tied in and on belay since I was 4yrs old..
Not that means anything at all, just that do have
Two teenagers who also visit the forum.HCRUB
drF

Trad climber
usa
Apr 20, 2017 - 07:48am PT
Probably some other medicine such as Prozac that Ken M prescribed thru a misdiagnosed fubar ..... :-)

Impossible...Ken M knows everything

He's on youtube for fu#s sake!!

L0L
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Apr 20, 2017 - 04:54pm PT
Good people are determined by what they do in life.

Either that, or by the ways that their brains are stimulated, or not stimulated.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/04/170410154808.him

But where's the fun in being a self-confirmation-biased self-survivor-biased self-righteous human if we can't blame other humans for their inferior morality?

Praise Jesus! But the rest of you dishonest pot smoking bad folks are going to hell :-)
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
May 26, 2018 - 07:12am PT
Article: Marijuana Compound Removes Toxic Alzheimer's Protein From The Brain
http://flip.it/UT4-aG
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
May 26, 2018 - 08:13am PT
And if you want to remain a good person, you'd better not eat shellfish in Seattle. Recent research shows that you can get your fix of all kinds of drugs just by ordering a plate of mussels...

Read all about it: https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/health/mussels-opioids-bn/index.html
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 26, 2018 - 08:57am PT
THAT’S why I couldn’t get to sleep last night after my seafood risotto!
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
May 26, 2018 - 09:02am PT
Just what we need, sweaty zombies with enhanced libido.
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