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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 26, 2016 - 08:51am PT
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I suppose you also admire Nicolas Maduro? He thumbs his nose at the US too.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Nov 26, 2016 - 08:52am PT
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Reality -1959 infant mortality rate in Cube before Fidel 3rd highest in the world, illiteracy rate among the lowest in the world. By 1969 Cube had & still has one of the lowest infant mortality rates in the world & one of the highest literacy rates.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Nov 26, 2016 - 08:59am PT
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Reality -1959 infant mortality rate in Cube before Fidel 3rd highest in the world, illiteracy rate among the lowest in the world. By 1969 Cube had & still has one of the lowest infant mortality rates in the world & one of the highest literacy rates.
In 2011, the literacy rate in Cuba was 99.8%.
I always like how conservatives pick and choose which dictator to like.
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Nov 26, 2016 - 09:22am PT
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Given the context, when it comes to picking and choosing which dictators to support, I think the following photo is much more appropiate:
Although, in all fairness, support was finally withdrawn in late 1958, but by then the damage had been done. Hopefully now, 58 years later, scars will slowly heal.
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c wilmot
climber
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Nov 26, 2016 - 09:25am PT
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The people of Venezuela have provided poor Americans heating oil for many years.Go figure. Americans are pretty blind to the horrors we cause worldwide as well. In terms of creating human suffering Fidel was a small fish compared to US presidents
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Nov 26, 2016 - 09:31am PT
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I admire their healthcare and education system.
I wonder how many of the negative aspects of their government were a "necessary evil" to resist the meddling of USA, which was very threatened by the possibility of a functional government not worshipping money above humanity.
I can't really make judgments beyond that because I don't have sufficient info.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 26, 2016 - 10:42am PT
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The number of deaths is controverisal to say the least., but it doesn't look like Castro is even in the ballpark with Truman.
The Harvard-trained scholar Armando Lago, in his book The Black Book of Communism, first published in French, (1997) then in English 1999, made an attempt to list Castro’s deaths since 1959. So far the deaths of 97,000 persons have been named, each confirmed by at least two sources. Some 30,000 executed by firing squad, 2,000 extra-judicial assassinations, 5,000 deaths in prison due to beating by guards and denial of medical care and 60,000 deaths while trying to escape Cuba by sea. According to Dr. Lago's and his ongoing-research partner, Cuba Archive President Maria Werlau, 78,000 innocents may have died trying to flee the dictatorship. Another 5,300 are known to have lost their lives fighting communism in the Escambray Mountains (mostly peasant farmers and their children) and at the Bay of Pigs. Another estimated 14,000 Cubans were killed in Fidel's revolutionary adventures abroad, most notably his dispatch of 50,000 soldiers to Angola in the 1980s to help the Soviet-backed regime fight off the Unita insurgency. Their 2005 total ranges between 90,827 and 102,722 deaths. The estimates of Cubans killed range from 35,000 to 141,000 (1959-1987) according to and available on the site of R. J. Rummel-University of Hawaii, “Power Kills.”
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 26, 2016 - 11:22am PT
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Today, the world marks the passing of a brutal dictator who oppressed his own people for nearly six decades. Fidel Castro’s legacy is one of firing squads, theft, unimaginable suffering, poverty and the denial of fundamental human rights.
While Cuba remains a totalitarian island, it is my hope that today marks a move away from the horrors endured for too long, and toward a future in which the wonderful Cuban people finally live in the freedom they so richly deserve.
Though the tragedies, deaths and pain caused by Fidel Castro cannot be erased, our administration will do all it can to ensure the Cuban people can finally begin their journey toward prosperity and liberty. I join the many Cuban Americans who supported me so greatly in the presidential campaign, including the Brigade 2506 Veterans Association that endorsed me, with the hope of one day soon seeing a free Cuba.
Donald J. Trump
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Nov 26, 2016 - 12:25pm PT
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My thought too, Kingtut. The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle...
Could be wrong of course...
In 50 years time we'll see someone write a Cuban history, involving Castro, to be trusted. Trusting current Americans writing Cuban history is stoopeed of course...
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 26, 2016 - 12:42pm PT
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It's surreal listening to DT's message after how he has expressed his disdain for the citizens of Mexico.
Smacks of hypocrisy and taking advantage.
I despise his masquerade, the dishonest way he poses himself.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Nov 26, 2016 - 12:50pm PT
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He lived like a king in one of the world's poorest countries and hardly anyone spoke out against him.
Ya gotta admire that.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 26, 2016 - 12:54pm PT
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Amen it's always about Trump.
I wonder how many hotels in South America Castro actually owned.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Nov 26, 2016 - 01:07pm PT
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Before the revolution Cuba had started to degenerate into an American entertainment park and bordello...
And Cuba in South America - well... hotels, casinos and bordellos are not the structures they are providing:
"Cuba has a long-standing history of international volunteerism and medical diplomacy, via its “ejército de batas blancas” (army of white coats). Cuba has 50,000 health care workers deployed throughout the world, both in underserved areas and as emergency response teams.
For example, Cubans have provided cataract surgery and treatments throughout South America, restoring vision to almost 3.5 million over the years, in exchange receiving political capital, oil subsidies, and funding. They have provided care as well in fighting malaria in Africa, and were ready to help in Haiti after the earthquake and subsequent cholera epidemic. In fact, Ban Ki-moon, Secretary General of the United Nations, stated, “They are always the first to arrive and the last to leave. They remain in place after the crises. Cuba can be proud of its health care system, a model for many countries.“
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Nov 26, 2016 - 02:04pm PT
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TGT2,
My "PC" way of saying he was a hypocritical tyrant who murdered or jailed critics.
Edit: Didn't Al Capone hand out free holiday turkeys to poor people?
What a guy
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Nov 26, 2016 - 02:16pm PT
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Batista's troops protecting US interests in 1956
At the beginning of 1959 United States companies owned about 40 percent of the Cuban sugar lands—almost all the cattle ranches—90 percent of the mines and mineral concessions—80 percent of the utilities—practically all the oil industry—and supplied two-thirds of Cuba's imports.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 26, 2016 - 02:23pm PT
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Tut,
That others were as bad, or worse, does not make Castro palatable. He was a top drawer douchbag. As soon as he stole from his citizens (wealthy or not) or lined up the first guy in a firing squad, any reasonable person would have rightfully questioned the aims of his revolution, which was little more than a proxy for keeping power. One also has to question his motives in seeing the rest of the world progress past him while keeping his citizens in isolation while he and party members no doubt lived as an oligarchy. Though I consider someone like Dick Cheney as a far more reprehensible human being, I fully understand the celebrations now going on in Miami.
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