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Mighty Hiker
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2018 - 03:49pm PT
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Continuing the maritime and polar theme:
Archaeologists have uncovered the remains of a Viking ship, burial mounds and Iron Age homes right next to the busy E6 freeway near Halden in southeast Norway. The discovery is already being hailed as “sensational.”
(It looks quite a lot like Klimmer's photo of his imaginary ark.)
The existing three major discoveries date to the late 19th century - the Gokstad, Oseberg and Tune ships, on display at the VIking ship house in Oslo.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/oct/15/viking-ship-burial-discovered-in-norway-just-50cm-underground?
And in answer to Ron's question, St. Roch was the first vessel to circumnavigate North America, via the Panama Canal. There was talk in 1913 of Fram returning from Antarctic via the newly opened canal, making her the first vessel to transit, but in the end it didn't occur.
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Reilly
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Oct 15, 2018 - 04:30pm PT
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Mighty Hiker
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2018 - 05:25pm PT
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Having sailed in a half-scale replica of the Gokstad ship, although only in Vancouver harbour, I can report that they flex. A lot.
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Toker Villain
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Oct 16, 2018 - 09:25am PT
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I meant the NW Passage and Cape Horn in one voyage.
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Mighty Hiker
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 16, 2018 - 01:39pm PT
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Probably the first to circumnavigate South America was one of the first vessels through Panama Canal in 1914, a freighter or such that had previously gone through Drake Passage or the Straits of Magellan.
It's possible - indeed likely - that a submarine has circumnavigated the Americas, although not via Panama. But we may never know.
Several vessels, mostly military or coast guard, transited a Northwest Passage between 1944 and 1976. Whether any had also gone around South America being the question.
Willy de Roos may have been the first to circumnavigate the Americas, in Williwaw in 1976.
http://www.nauticapedia.ca/Articles/NWP_Fulltransits.php
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Reilly
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Oct 16, 2018 - 01:48pm PT
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Trust me, US subs have traversed every navigable passage on the planet.
While the Vikings had no equals nobody except St Brendan matches up to Joshua Slocum.
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Toker Villain
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Oct 17, 2018 - 12:56pm PT
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You mean this Brendan guy exposed himself to a 12 year old girl too?
Was he appointed to the Supreme Court?
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Reilly
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Oct 17, 2018 - 01:12pm PT
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Toker, it’s OK, he was a saint.
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Toker Villain
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Oct 17, 2018 - 05:29pm PT
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Was Slocum a climber? He writes an autobiography and his boat is named Spray.
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Mighty Hiker
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 3, 2018 - 06:06pm PT
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Well, Joshua Slocum was a Canadian, so not likely to spray in that sense of the word.
And I rather doubt that even the US Navy has taken submerged submarines through Suez and Panama Canals. Maybe on the surface..
Was at the maritime museum this afternoon with a cousin, and yes, St. Roch was the first vessel to circumnavigate North America, but in two separate voyages, ending with her return to Vancouver via Panama in 1954.
As for the frigate HMS Helge Ingstad colliding with two other vessels, in calm clear weather: https://www.newsinenglish.no/2018/11/08/probes-launched-into-frigate-crash/
(Some of the recent NATO exercises were in Rendalen, not too far from Finnskogen.)
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Reilly
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And speaking of ignominy, I am mortified that my hero’s name should be brought so low...
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Reilly
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Reilly
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And I rather doubt that even the US Navy has taken submerged submarines through Suez and Panama Canals. Maybe on the surface..
Which crankloon wrote that, except tongue in cheek? Like the Navy would expose a sub
to the dangers of the locks for so long? Not to mention making it easier to track, if only
for a while. Besides, not much point to having our subs in the Caribbean - the Venezuelan
navy is one in name only.
But thanks for the link on Kroehl. I’m embarrassed to admit I’ve not heard of him, but then
subs are rather of lower interest to me.
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Mighty Hiker
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2018 - 07:51pm PT
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Bet if you check you'll find that there are always US warships stationed in the vicinity of both ends of the Panama Canal. (And submarines, except that information on their location is no doubt secret.) As the Cuban missile crisis reinforced, the canal is a US strategic asset, to which no possible threat will be tolerated. Some of the smaller military vessels probably transit the canal, to show the flag, but they'd keep the big ones, and of course submarines, away. It not only discloses their exact location, they'd be sitting ducks.
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Marlow
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Mighty Hiker.
Not my comment, but from the man himself, Ousland, the horse's mouth:
As the news of Mr. O’Brady’s “first” spread across the media, Mr. Ousland wrote magnanimously on his Facebook page, “We congratulate Colin O’Bradly [sic] with his achievements in Antarctica.” But he added that he “was the first person to ski alone across Antarctica.” As he told me in an email: “It should not be necessary for me to have to stand up and fight for my ‘honor.’ I believe that I should be credited as the first to have crossed Antarctica solo and unsupported from coast to coast. Period.”
Previously posted by Reilly on another thread.
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ionlyski
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Jan 28, 2019 - 07:43am PT
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She probably lies in several thousand m of water.
Wow Anders I never would have imagined. Whenever you look at the rudimentary maps that were drawn out at the time, you get the feeling the ship was just of the mainland coast. Don't know why that would lead me to think it was shallow water but that's the way I had it in mind.
Did they leave much behind on the ship, with all the time they had to make those decisions?
Arne
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