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TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Sep 2, 2016 - 05:46pm PT
So i am a rocket scientist and not the only one who thought this looked really strange. i have studied the lessons learned from hundreds of rocket misadventures. I wrote the original design for the launch abort detection system for the NASA Ares I launch vehicle. That is the system designed to get the astronauts up and away from an exploding launch vehicle. I also worked as a NASA systems engineering reviewer of the SpaceX launch vehicles. I don't know enough to endorse the conclusions of this article, but the data referenced seems incontrovertible:


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/02/ufo-destroys-israeli-weaponised-satellite-on-the-launch-pad/

UFO destroys Israeli weaponised satellite on the launch pad
By Ian Greenhalgh on September 2, 2016

...this time the "smoking gun" is a foo fighter and energy weapon...it seems not everyone "out there" believes Greater Israel is a galaxy-wide proposition…

[Editor’s note: The event depicted in the photographs below is not our conspiracy theory. The UFO destruction theory of the “facebook” satellite, now that’s a conspiracy theory if I ever heard one, comes from NASA. From their notes:
A. UFO
B. Airborne Laser weapons test on third stage booster?
C. Small nuclear explosion caused by lithium ion batteries shorting out. Or other nuclear source in the third stage guidance unit.
D. Not a kerosene or hydrogen fuel fire as initial cause.
The satellite and its geosynchronous booster were intact until it is seen collapsing and producing a secondary explosion. Everything else is a kerosene fuel fire.
Either we have 3 UFO’s in the photos or they are aircraft landing lights???(referring to last set at the bottom)

This is what they believe and, being who we are, they couldn’t simply let it go without pulling the tail as it were. We agreed, as we are inclined to do, to aid them in this task. g]


Launchpad explosions of rockets is a fairly common thing, after all, a rocket is really a bomb waiting to go off and even with very careful handling, they do sometimes blow up due to technical issues.

This explosion however is something altogether different. This was no mere explosion of a rocket while being fueled, this was a deliberate act of destruction.

Note that the explosion occurs near the top of the rocket, where there aren’t any fuel tanks, the explosion is also far hotter than would be caused by rocket fuel – note the bright white blob on the video bright enough to cause a lens flare (the four diagonal streaks). The rocket fuel burning comes several frames later and is quite different looking – the colours are reds and oranges with black and grey smoke, this is a secondary explosion where the rocket fuel was ignited by the primary explosion further up the rocket.

Now for the really shocking bit – the craft responsible for this destruction was caught in the video – a small spherical object that flies from right to left on the screen and appears to have fired some kind of laser or beam weapon at the rocket.

So now the big question is this: Just what had the Israelis built into that satellite that someone decided had to be destroyed before it could be placed in orbit? Our working theory is that it was some kind of weapon, quite possibly a laser as we received intelligence some time ago that a space based laser had been used to cause several mysterious explosions in Iran.

This is a story we will be delving further into and will report on further as we uncover more.
cragnshag

Social climber
san joser
Sep 2, 2016 - 06:09pm PT
No, Bud Light.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Sep 2, 2016 - 06:31pm PT
Um? Pot callin' kettle...
As an avitar alone what is it? high fructose corn spirit?
That's the one - are you moon shine.
That's my bet.
Mr Cochrane, on the other hand has both taken and given very relevant insight.
His expertise on this in this fast a response time speaks to his sincerity.

I worry for him fooling around on this Forum with all the loose cannons that populate the taco!

His equally esteemed fellow scientists have taken a noticeably longer time to comment.

The very likely hood that TC knows volumes of both real and fake programs makes his post
more not less in earnest.

If you hfcs, or anyone else can say more please do so.

The sides that disagree on the point of . . . or goals of . . . the continued use of billions of dollars across the globe, to produce great pyrotechnic displays as well as maybe piercing earths orbit to explore other Planets, is A fundamental part of being a modern human .
We have all been conditioned ...

As well as the old adage, IT TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE! And as I am a nutcase . . I can assure you
Mr Cochrane is not one!

You HFCs ? The jury remains out




Edit: 9/4/16
WeakSauce! Anyone say that anymore?

Wow!
Really you deleted!

What the guy who's post now come next said!

Before you deleted both of your Obnoxious posts,
I had a higher opinion of you MoonShine, arsewipe!

Trying hard not to go see what it is that you stand for?
Reading your posts to no climbing threads?
I'm not going to waste the time.

There is a craft (& a beam,) it was seen,
there are more than enough rumors of the existence of laser weaponry.

The very real blanket cover of what's going on should give a climbers' Mind pause.
#arsewipehighfructosecornspiritMoonshine,
I venture you were never much of a, -"wing it on the gear of the day"- kinda climber



removed from the last post & placed here:

I was not and do not think it an extraterrestrial source.
What is clear, again to a Rock Climbers Mind, which needs to have ALL the Facts.
that all the things considered, we don't know enough to be able to judge.

Now as the proof is being changed ( which is proof of something?)
it goes from strange to the only conclusion
You can make; the ~Duk 'n Cov'r,n build a Bunker ~ mentality seems more viable
and less crazy.

WBraun

climber
Sep 2, 2016 - 08:47pm PT
The anonymous coward HFCS fruitcake with NO credibility period attacks Tom who is not an anonymous coward with tons of credibility.

Same cowardly actions as usual from HFCS and then deleted all his posts .......

Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Sep 3, 2016 - 09:47am PT
My initial take without seeing the up-close and personal photographic record was a fuel leak and static discharge for ignition. Upon closer examination of the photographic record, The actual ignition seems to be right at the base of the fairing, and not near the fueling ports of the rocket. As an industrial chemist, I find it almost impossible to believe that a $200,000,000 system wouldn't be adequately grounded, along with all the refueling apparatus. SpaceX simply had too much at risk to allow any sloppy connections to be the culprit.

I've never been a big believer in UFOs, but--what the H*ll was the metallic appearing sphere?
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Sep 3, 2016 - 10:21am PT
I just went back to the first "raw" footage released, and the "strange 'UFO-like' objects" seem to be missing. Another bit of doctoring the images? Done by Israel-haters? By UFO conspiracy freaks? Or was the released footage doctored to remove the metallic appearing sphere?

To echo Tom's comment: Strange!
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Sep 3, 2016 - 02:30pm PT

Is the oxygen content high enough to cause that bright white flare?
Isn't all that orange fire cooler in temperature by Many multiples ?
I'm not even a hobby rocket guy but . . . It was LIKE the Challenger. At least in its spectacular
Pyrotechnic display.

Here's a truck accident with a puny bottle of oxygen cooking off.

The white just means it was bright enough to saturate a CCD camera.

Full video here:
[Click to View YouTube Video]

I was on the NJ Turnpike years ago when an oxygen tanker went off in a single explosion about 5 miles in front of me. Pretty exciting even at that distance. By the time we got there the surrounding meadows were just black as the oxygen just consumed everything around.

TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Sep 3, 2016 - 07:45pm PT
This doesn't necessarily reflect an extraterrestrial actor.

It appears someone targeted the lithium battery pack with an x-ray laser. You can do your own homework from here....
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Sep 3, 2016 - 07:54pm PT
I was already pondering a Lithium battery explosion; that seems to be plausible. The RP-1 and LOX seem to be secondary explosions, later by fuel from the satellite itself--hypergolic fuels blowing up.

Added it edit: It would take a very powerful X-Ray laser to induce an explosion of the Lithium Ion battery!
monolith

climber
state of being
Sep 3, 2016 - 08:30pm PT
The two of you should look for shoes on mars.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Sep 3, 2016 - 09:38pm PT
That capability was developed as part of SDI
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 3, 2016 - 09:57pm PT
I suppose it all comes down to X's and O's and I'm all for science and tech, but why not put the brain power on getting PEOPLE drinking water rather trips to space.

As I understand it space will still be there when more pressing issues have been addressed.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Sep 3, 2016 - 11:02pm PT
If you want to address those sorts of issues, you'd better rise above the brainwashed sheeple and research why the controllers invest so much planning and resources in abusing humanity. All that bad news is not accidental or caused by neglect.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Sep 4, 2016 - 07:27am PT
No matter which party or polititrd is "in charge," the "more pressing problems" will always "be there."

As it stands, the budget for space flight and associated research amounts to a very miniscule dollar amount of the national budget. The NASA annual budget is less than $20 Billion, In comparison to the defense budget where a single F 35 fighter jet costs $350 Million, we do get a lot of bang for the buck from space research.

On the other hand, Orbital ATK, and SpaceX are mostly self-funded through contracts placing communications satellites in a variety of orbits, in addition to resupply of the ISS.

SpaceX has led the way towards making space "affordable," through recovery and pending reuse of the expensive first stage booster rockets. Lockheed-Martin and Boeing make their living by selling "overhead," through terrible "cost plus" contracts. The bigger the overhead, the bigger the bill they are able to submit to NASA for repayment.
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 4, 2016 - 08:18am PT
Apparently what we have here is a third world problem.

I am curious as to who "the controllers" are.


Kind of six of one, half dozen of the other, eh.

On the one hand you have a bunch of dead people, on the other some folks joyriding to the moon.

Same ballpark, different game.


Regional malaria elimination campaigns were first conducted in the late 1940s, preparing the ground for the Global Malaria Eradication Program in 1955. This campaign succeeded in eliminating malaria from Europe, North America, the Caribbean and parts of Asia and South-Central America.7 But no major success occurred in sub-Saharan Africa, which accounts for 80% of today’s burden of malaria.8 When the aspiration of global eradication was abandoned in 1969, the main reasons for failure were technical challenges of executing the strategy especially in Africa.





TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Sep 4, 2016 - 04:02pm PT
It seems many posters here would rather make inane remarks to entertain themselves and sustain an oblivious level of understanding. I continue posting here because I know that quite a few ST followers are sufficiently intelligent to remain remote from the target zone. If you seriously want to further your understanding of some of these political issues, start pulling on a very long thread starting with the term 'Khazarian'. And please don't use that suggestion to accuse me of any specific political orientation.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Sep 4, 2016 - 04:25pm PT
Space Communications (Spacecom), is preparing to demand compensation from IAI (Israel Aerospace Industries) for $205 Million, as well as SpaceX for $50 Million. Spacecom has offered SpaceX the option of using a new rocket to lift the replacement satellite on a no charge basis.

Spacecom was reported to be in the final stages of a sale of the business to the Chinese financial concern , Beijing Xinwei Technology group for $285 Million. Really? Now the company is demanding $255 Million in compensation for their losses. Somehow, the "coincidence" surrounding the explosion and proposed financial deal has something of a bad odor to it....

Added as an edit: The satellite WAS insured IN FLIGHT. However, as the incident occurred before liftoff--it wasn't covered, and the insurance premium has already been refunded to Spacecom.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Sep 4, 2016 - 04:28pm PT
who designed that rocket, Werner Von Braun?

stoopid germans,

next time use precision engineering teams from US based institutions,

except hippy disc golfer canibis frealk from UCSC,
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Sep 4, 2016 - 08:33pm PT
Here's a YouTube video that I consider "interesting." This is a FWIW post, and I neither support nor deny it's validity. What do YOU think?

[Click to View YouTube Video]
monolith

climber
state of being
Sep 5, 2016 - 06:53am PT
I think aliens fearing our technology makes better sense.
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