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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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ty TY.
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climber
away from the ground
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What a bummer.
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ecdh
climber
the east
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Startling, sad and respectable outcome. These two were definers of the game, both providing vision and gall over an era when climbing became its most mundane. Both guys drew new ideas out of new places. Talented of course, but a bit beyond that as well.
I dont think its ill fitting to put them on the top shelf. That they were last seen on the Ogre is enough said.
Dying is one thing, dissappearing is another.
These things happen and they will again. Its the punctuation of the sport, that gives the pursuit its teeth, its history and its attitude.
An award or grant for humor and audacity in their name would be cool and is worth recognizing.
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mountain girl
Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
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Beautifully said, TY. Somehow still hoping for a miracle.
Ingrid
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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There's something totally pulling me that this isn't over.
Beautiful sentiment Tony...makes me smile and weep together.
Susan
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Sad day for the world, family, friends, climbing community. I watched some videos and wept.
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
Springdale, UT
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It's so hard to accept that they're not coming back. Maybe it's the fact that they're still up there somewhere or that they were so well equipped to be there and come back even with harsh circumstances. I'm so sorry to see this. Still hoping the ground search turns up something.
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Wen
Trad climber
Bend, OR
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I don't know these men at all, but then I came across this video of Kyle dreaming so so big, and now I am heartbroken. Adventure was in his soul, and I'm sure Scott's as well being Kyle's partner in their biggest adventure. I'm sorry to not have known them; their family and friends are in my thoughts.
https://vimeo.com/69045994
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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The AAJ 2016 book came in the post yesterday. Without looking for anything in particular, just flipping through, I stopped on their report of last year's Ogre attempt. The voice telling their story of their attempt, which almost ended fatally due to a failed rappel anchor, is so now, so alive, that it is incomprehensible that they are gone.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Keeping all involved with thoughts of hope.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Brave souls indeed . . . pursuing their aspirations and dreams. We should all strive to be so free and alive in the moments life offers.
Pedal on brothers!
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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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A spokesman for the Alpine club mentioned a possible avalanche:
Bad weather prevented an aerial search until Saturday, but the two helicopters found no sign of the men nor any camps, said Karrar Haidri, a spokesman for the Alpine Club.
“It seems that a big avalanche had occurred, as they were going very well till 23 August but then it snowed a lot for four, five days,” Haidri said on Sunday.
Though the lede of the article implies that signs of an avalanche were seen in the helicopter passes, the quotations from Haidri make it sound more like a hypothesis based on weather conditions. If there was indeed an avalanche, it's not clear whether that was the problem and whether Scott and Kyle would have been where it was.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/147771-Helicopter-search-suspended-for-missing-US-climbers-in-Pakistan
I realize things don't look good but hope for a miracle or at least for some answers. I also hope that Thomas Huber's team and any others doing ground searches stay safe.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Don't know you Robert L, but that is the most asinine post I've read in a long time.
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Posted on the gofundme page.
"Azy Ali
1 day ago
Today i talked to the Guide of the expedition, Mr Ghafoor who was at the base camp, has just arrived back at Sakurdu after 4 days trek. He was worried, almost crying bcz he used to be Kyle's guide on his every visit to Pak. He told that weather was awesome when they started climbing and the next day there was dark everywhere with heavy snowfall, bad weather quite low visibility. He was expecting them to descend in this scenario but they continued until he saw them last time at the mid of the peak."
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nice, apropos, quotes by AB, Ruppell.
Many mountaineers see religion this way. And that's o.k....as long as they see "religion", that's good enough.
It is a divine pursuit. Let's not lose faith in our boys yet.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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I didn't know Scott or Kyle, but they are recognizable, they are people in climbing that I know who go out to discover what they are capable of doing, testing themselves against the prospects of routes on incredible mountains far from the possibility of being rescued.
Whatever their fate, I have no doubt that they willingly anted up knowing the risk and its consequences. They believed they would succeed, but they planned for every contingency. We all plan knowing the limits of planning.
A certain amount of armchair mountaineering opinion is sure to make its way onto this thread, and with the variety of opinion, and the likelihood of tragic outcome, the differences of opinion can result in invective posts among the opinionated.
Not only do we not know what happened, it is likely we will never know, in detail. Best that the urge to decide on what is right and what is wrong be left to another time, and another thread. For those two it is irrelevant, for those who loved them it is not necessary to read what we, who sit half a world away, think.
The consequences of the risks we undertake in our pursuit of climbing are well know to us, and we marvel when climbers manage the mastery of the physical, the mental and the spiritual aspects of a particular climb, especially when the climbing pushes the boundary of the possible. We recognize without discussion how that boundary is defined. Not a one of us goes out to intentionally cross that boundary.
I would hope the STForum would honor these two by refraining from doing what is natural for us, to try to make sense of a situation, a situation for which we have very little information. Speculating on events can wait for some other time. Right now we can keep Scott and Kyle in our hearts and minds, and this thread can be the expression of the respect we have for fellow climbers who went out there and committed everything to a shared vision.
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IntheFog
climber
Mostly the next place
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Thanks TY & EH and the rest of the Supertopo poets for putting into words what the rest of us can't.
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Heisenberg
Trad climber
RV, middle of Nowehere
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Ed.... you can take word for word what you said and take out the "climber" and put any high risk sport in it's place. Well said and wise.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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yes... deep appreciation to TY and EH for demonstrating the potential that this forum can rise to and for allowing all of us to be buoyed up in their wakes...
if this situation does prove, as it now must seem, to be without hope, may we respect the humanity of the many whose lives were incontrovertibly intertwined with these two men's and offer our collective support, regardless of our personal opinions of whether s + k are headed to valhalla or not.
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