Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
|
|
SusanA: http://youtu.be/CjEf30FD7yo?t=329
And Supertopo is a bastion of pasty middle aged white dudes, especially in the political threads, and "I have a black friend who thinks" or "look here is a video of a black person who agrees with me therefore this is ok" posts abound. I was just trying to parse out if your avatar was ironic, representative or just a "look here is a picture of a black person with a Trump hat so Trump can't be racist" sort of thing.
Thanks for being willing to jump into the political threads. We get pretty feisty so hold on to your butt.
|
|
HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
|
|
She's not quite so willing to wear plaid I think is what she meant.
|
|
SusanA
Sport climber
Bay Area
|
|
And Supertopo is a bastion of pasty middle aged white dudes, especially in the political threads, and "I have a black friend who thinks" or "look here is a video of a black person who agrees with me therefore this is ok" posts abound. I was just trying to parse out if your avatar was ironic, representative or just a "look here is a picture of a black person with a Trump hat so Trump can't be racist" sort of thing.
Yes I know you are trying to know if I am black because that seems to important to you, what race people are. The answer is that I'm half, from my dad. My mother is Puerto Rican. The picture is a joke because my boyfriend has one of those hats but I don't think he is into Trump as much as he was before.
Thanks for the youtube of that goofy old climbing video. Those guys without shirts looked like they could be in San Francisco, lol! I've seen a bunch of climbing videos but not that one. I recognize Joshua Tree because I went down there last winter with a meetup trip and would hope to go again this year. It is so beautiful! I grew up in Brooklyn and did not even know there was such a place.
|
|
Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
|
|
|
Sep 11, 2016 - 12:41pm PT
|
The national anthem should be something more than a patriotic tune we automatically snap to attention to. We can leave that to North Korea. We are the United States and must set an example for the rest of the world. It is great that the various protests have sparked a peaceful and respectful conversation. Makes me proud to be a North American (Cannucks are cool too)
|
|
bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
|
|
|
Sep 11, 2016 - 01:11pm PT
|
CK is a naive fool, and a useful 'idiot', or tool.
He's being a willful participant. It's hard to ever forgive for the DAMAGE he's doing, despite his "good intentions" for the "persecuted".
He's a f*#king tool of the distorted cause. He's dead to me.
|
|
10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
|
|
|
Sep 11, 2016 - 02:52pm PT
|
It's hard to ever forgive for the DAMAGE he's doing
pray tell, what damage is he doing?
|
|
mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
|
|
|
Sep 11, 2016 - 04:44pm PT
|
So much for respectful conversation. One does not call one's respondent a "tool" but since he's "dead to you," Blurring, why even mention him?
Yer the tool, nanner nanner.
|
|
Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
|
|
|
Sep 12, 2016 - 04:08pm PT
|
I'm a veteran with a combat infantryman's badge (earned in the most lightweight manner imaginable, but that's a story for a different thread), and I absolutely, 100%, support Colin Kap's Constitutionally protected right to peacefully protest any injustice he perceives in our society.
I do not feel in the least bit disrespected by him taking a knee during the national anthem, and nor should anyone else. He is making a gesture to draw attention to something he feels isn't getting the attention it deserves in our society.
The man is clearly exercising his Constitutionally protected right to free political expression. (The highest form of Constitutionally protected expression--or, if you will, the least limited form and clearly the most important, an argument with which the US Supreme Court has always agreed.)
I'm a patriot and I don't like saying the Pledge of Allegiance. The Flag? The Republic? Ah... no. I swore an oath to the Constitution, THAT is a worthy promise, and if I served for any reason at all, it was to defend the Constitution of the United States against its enemies.
"I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America."
And I am well aware that quite a number of flaws were baked into the original document. Fortunately the founders provided for its amendment. It's not perfect, and neither is the country it founded, far from it, but it is the most successful political experiment in world history. So far.
We should be celebrating the fact that we live in a society that allows a man to peacefully protest as his conscience demands. I know I do. THAT is something worth fighting and dying for.
I don't feel that his gesture pushes the limits of good taste, either. He is making an extraordinarily effective and courageous protest at great personal cost. I honor him for it.
Go Raiders.
|
|
Inner City
Trad climber
East Bay
|
|
|
Sep 16, 2016 - 08:58am PT
|
Great post Greg Crouch! I completely agree.
Go Niners!
|
|
Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
|
|
|
Sep 16, 2016 - 09:09am PT
|
I could care less about if he stood or sat
It's free country
what I hate is the reactionary losers that get so upset on such a stupid issue
The country has so many other problems, why focus on one football player
Why?
Because they want to punish people they see as non-supportive of their personal views, which is pretty sick
|
|
dirtbag
climber
|
|
|
Sep 16, 2016 - 09:12am PT
|
What Craig said.
Bfd
|
|
rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
|
|
|
Sep 16, 2016 - 09:04pm PT
|
bluering, speaking as the white parent of an adopted child, huh?
His parents adopted him, as you say, because they wanted a child. Lucky them! It wasn't a white humanitarian mission intended to raise that black child out of savagery and into domesticated white society, but I can understand where that perspective might come from. Even Cragman as a white adoptive parent of a black child says that the poor outcome that his daughter was facing by waiting so long in the orphanage to be adopted until he came along was a symptom of society's racism, not any fault of her own, or any fault of her biological parents.
His loser mother? You think his adoptive white parents wanted him to reject his biological heritage and his biological parents, and instead pay homage to his adoptive white parents? Naw, that's you talking, not them - they have their child's interests at heart, not a defense of their own white privilege.
The idea that I as my child's adoptive parent would instill in her a rejection of her birth heritage and replace it with her worshipping me and the benifience of my white compassion (while median black wealth 150 years after slavery is 1/13 median white wealth), how sick and twisted and an abuse of my white privilege would that be, and how detrimental that would be to her sense of identity, after I received the precious gift of my child partly because our society's racism created the conditions where she needed to be adopted.
Maybe think twice before you adopt a black child. If Kaepernick were my kid, I'd be really proud of him.
|
|
slabbo
Trad climber
colo south
|
|
|
Sep 17, 2016 - 02:00pm PT
|
What is his plan ? just take a knee ? How about maybe actually doing something with the millions he still accepts for this "vile country".
If he really had any balls, he'd donate his game check to something useful.
|
|
Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
|
|
|
Sep 18, 2016 - 08:16am PT
|
A million dollars is nothing.
Kaepernick pays better than half of his hundred-million dollar+ salary to The Government - the ones who are supposed to be helping communities in need.
|
|
Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
|
|
|
Sep 20, 2016 - 09:42am PT
|
If he really had any balls, he'd donate his game check to something useful.
As I pointed out long ago Lebron James has donated $41 MILLION to send 1000 kids to college.
I'd say that's a much bigger percentage of his net worth than's Kaepernick's one mill.
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!