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SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 30, 2016 - 10:05am PT
Really? I'm surely not the one to start the thread?....
Boring week. Looking for some interesting reading.
;)



Susan
ec

climber
ca
Aug 30, 2016 - 10:11am PT
Hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, IMO he's in no place right now in his career to be a role-model/spokesman.

 ec
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Aug 30, 2016 - 10:13am PT
Most likely he was just practicing sitting while the rest of the team is out on the field..
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Aug 30, 2016 - 10:13am PT
Conduct Unbecoming of an American, 50-yard penalty, first down.

DMT
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Aug 30, 2016 - 10:16am PT
He's lost some cred in my book.

In over 25 yrs. of teaching and coaching never had a kid refuse to stand for the pledge or the anthem.
locker

climber
"STFU n00b!!!"
Aug 30, 2016 - 10:18am PT


IMO...

Not a big deal and so what...
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Aug 30, 2016 - 10:31am PT
I thought what he did was most ironic.

His conduct was no different from what many Republicans have done for the last 25 years: Emphasize the negative about our great country and our great people (great, not perfect).
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 30, 2016 - 10:34am PT
I briefly watched the third quarter last Friday, until the beginning of the fourth, when my host John decided to change the venue to Toronto (he bought a higher-priced ticket that day for four new Murdoch Mysteries) because the Pack seemed to have the game in hand.

We heard no mention from either Ryan nor Robinson during the break. But that's not their job, is it? Cosell would feel much differently.

So I had to look this up.
http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/Key-Quotes-from-Colin-Kaepernick-49ers-Teammates-on-Aug-28/bf85743d-3b62-4b29-bfd1-c733f743e708

Me, I'm simple. CK* is only one guy, so he can't possibly speak for the entire team. But he's got guts and he's young and not jaded news junkies like we.

I wish him the best and semper fidelis, Faithful!

Rah!
If I had a hammer, I'd use it on that pesky nose guard.
If I had a hammer, I'd use it on that pesky nose guard.
Credit: mouse from merced
It's really no big deal, is it? Just a slow news day after all.

*I really have to stop confusing the names Colin and Justin...I originally typed JK. So let him run for POTUS when he's older, if he's still so idealistic.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 30, 2016 - 10:38am PT
From his debut in The League I said he did't have the brains to succeed and this just proves it.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 30, 2016 - 10:40am PT


Brother H. Rap Brown after he moved to Idaho.

"no better way to enslave a man than to give him the vote and call him free"



One select comment from the audience


"hobama is STILL a celebutante prez"


rag up and bang
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 30, 2016 - 10:43am PT
IMO...

Not a big deal and so what...

Exactly. Only the opinions of entertainers (which includes professional athletes) running for public office matter to me.

John
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Aug 30, 2016 - 10:46am PT
I understand the "why" he's protesting, but not the "how."

Best to get psyched for the upcoming game, and to not get your teammates questioning you before the opening whistle blows.

Sez he's going to sit for more Nat'l Anthems.
I wonder.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 30, 2016 - 10:46am PT
Reilly, no one expected a mental match for Terry Bradshaw back then. His young legs and nerve were enough. Smarts come later.

Rag up, dude.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 30, 2016 - 10:50am PT
I reserve the right to support the fact that its his choice while also taking advantage of my ability to condemn his actions.

If people in this country would return to realizing that some sh#t is going to happen that they don't agree with and it doesn't mean they should race to the capital house steps in an effort to get it outlawed we would all be a little better off.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 30, 2016 - 11:03am PT
Hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, IMO he's in no place right now in his career to be a role-model/spokesman.

I support his first amendment rights, but why is he now just becoming interested in black lives. Why wasn't he speaking out years ago?
Lurkingtard

climber
Aug 30, 2016 - 12:29pm PT
Credit: Lurkingtard
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Aug 30, 2016 - 12:39pm PT
Francis Scott Key was a slave owner.
The third verse, that we don't use, celebrates freed slaves being killed after fighting for the British, or the Canadians if you prefer. Patriotism shouldn't be forced at the point of a gun like North Korea.
locker

climber
"STFU n00b!!!"
Aug 30, 2016 - 12:55pm PT


+1 to the SESHman...


I totally agree!!!...
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Aug 30, 2016 - 12:59pm PT
You'd think a guy who's looking forward to a season of riding the pine wouldn't pass on an opportunity to get up and stretch his legs.
WBraun

climber
Aug 30, 2016 - 01:01pm PT
Just cheap lip service sitting down ....

After all the men and women who sacrificed their lives for our freedoms in wars and peace to make this country so great.

It's an insult and disrespect to all those regardless how the politard loons think.

One should stand with respect and use a different medium to voice their concerns ......
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Aug 30, 2016 - 01:03pm PT
Ok Chaz, that was funny!


Edit: So Werner, do you love America or hate it? I can't keep up man!
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 30, 2016 - 01:55pm PT
Most of the people complaining about his actions are wearing make America great again hats. It a f*#king sporting event and why should we have to stand for some bullshit symbolism?
locker

climber
"STFU n00b!!!"
Aug 30, 2016 - 01:57pm PT


^^^

+1 and a couple of extras for GUD measure...

10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 30, 2016 - 02:03pm PT
Hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, IMO he's in no place right now in his career to be a role-model/spokesman.

Bob, I agree. He is just a person playing a stoopid game.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Aug 30, 2016 - 02:10pm PT
It a f*#king sporting event and why should we have to stand for some bullshit symbolism?

Maybe he can pay his electricity bill with his bullshit symbolism too?

He is just a person playing a stoopid game.

A stupid game for stupid people who want stupid quarterbacks to throw a stupid f*#king ball.... for money.

Maybe they won't pay him any more, if they don't like his symbolism?

DMT
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 30, 2016 - 02:10pm PT
Jackie Robinson, Ali, John Carlos and others African Americans have done the same and still this country is gunning down African Americans.


But little shits like this basically walk.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/remember-brock-turner-from-3-months-ago-hell-leave-jail-on-friday_us_57c58c81e4b0cdfc5ac9256b



"Maybe he can pay his electricity bill with his bullshit symbolism too?"

I don't think he has to worry about that.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 30, 2016 - 02:12pm PT
why should we have to stand for some bullshit symbolism?

It's about showing respect to our veterans... dumbass.

CK is spoiled little brat. Instead doing something honorable... something to move the conversation forward... he acts like a whiny d#@&%ebag.



EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 30, 2016 - 02:14pm PT
Jackie Robinson, Ali, John Carlos and others African Americans have done the same and still this country is gunning down African Americans.

Nearly all of the gunning down is being done by African Americans.

Hmmm.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Aug 30, 2016 - 02:14pm PT
"Maybe he can pay his electricity bill with his bullshit symbolism too?"

I don't think he has to worry about that.

Exactly. He has nothing to risk, certainly not his career. Brave Ulysses.

DMT
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 30, 2016 - 02:16pm PT
Instead of making a meaningless punk ass gesture he could man up like Lebron James
who is gonna send 1000 kids to college:

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/8/13/9151441/lebron-james-foundation-scholarships-akron-cavaliers
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 30, 2016 - 02:17pm PT
If someone doesn't wave the flag, he/she doesn't respect veterans.

Stupid assumption.

JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 30, 2016 - 02:19pm PT
Jackie Robinson, Ali, John Carlos and others African Americans have done the same and still this country is gunning down African Americans.

How dare you leave out Tommie Smith, one of my heroes when I was in high school, since he grew up in Lemoore, not far from here! After all, it was Smith who won the 200 meters in world record time with an injured leg.

Moreover, Smith ran for San Jose State. I admit to retaining an animus against the NCAA because of the racist sanctions they imposed on SJS, more because of Smith than of Carlos.

Seriously, though, what did Jackie Robinson do to disrespect a symbol of the United States?

Again, I really don't care what entertainers say or think unless they become candidates for public office. CK's antics simply can't excite me.

John
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 30, 2016 - 02:20pm PT
"It's about showing respect to our veterans... dumbass.

CK is spoiled little brat. Instead doing something honorable... something to move the conversation forward... he acts like a whiny d#@&%ebag."

Funny.


Make America great again Eddy.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Aug 30, 2016 - 02:26pm PT

The greatest play in baseball!


Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 30, 2016 - 02:29pm PT
JohnE...There I was, the black grandson of a slave, the son of a black sharecropper, part of a historic occasion, a symbolic hero to my people. The air was sparkling. The sunlight was warm. The band struck up the national anthem. The flag billowed in the wind. It should have been a glorious moment for me as the stirring words of the national anthem poured from the stands. Perhaps, it was, but then again, perhaps, the anthem could be called the theme song for a drama called The Noble Experiment. Today, as I look back on that opening game of my first world series, I must tell you that it was Mr. Rickey’s drama and that I was only a principal actor. As I write this twenty years later, I cannot stand and sing the anthem. I cannot salute the flag; I know that I am a black man in a white world. In 1972, in 1947, at my birth in 1919, I know that I never had it made.



Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Aug 30, 2016 - 02:29pm PT
Why is a national anthem played at a commercial sports event anyway?

Football is a war game? Hell, the Olympics are war games. They play the f*#k out of national anthems. The recruiting starts at a very early age.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Aug 30, 2016 - 02:32pm PT
Ali paid a heavy price for his symbolism. I can respect that.

My 3-tour Afghanistan war vet nephew cannot. He said so. I can respect that too.

Me, I thought Ali showed guts. Dunno about this Caepernick guy, time will tell.

DMT
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Aug 30, 2016 - 02:35pm PT
Reilly, that's a great point about LeBron sending 1,000 kids to college.
In fact, every motherlicker who makes over xx millions should do it, starting with Mr Everything Is So Gawdamn Dark In America Trump.
BluntMan

Gym climber
Wild Omar, CA
Aug 30, 2016 - 02:43pm PT
We have a 1st amendment that protects his right to speech and religion. I served in the US Army to protect those rights among others.

As long as Kaepernick can continue to accept the negative feedback without complaining "foul", I have no problem with his decision. It's his right.
chill

climber
The fat part of the bell-curve
Aug 30, 2016 - 02:50pm PT
I don't understand required public displays of patriotism, is it to root out the traitors? I decided to stop saying the pledge of allegiance in jr. HS and fortunately my teacher saw no reason to make a big deal of it, she just let me sit there. How I feel about America, God, or apple pie is nobodies business but mine.
Burnin' Oil

Trad climber
CA
Aug 30, 2016 - 03:13pm PT
It gives all the idiots something to blather on about, to fill their drab, boring, pedantic lives.








Present company excluded, of course...
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 30, 2016 - 03:18pm PT
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-sfpd-racist-text-messages-20160426-story.html
little Z

Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
Aug 30, 2016 - 03:21pm PT
hey, you can still get thrown out of Yankee Stadium if you move around too much during the 7th inning playing of "America the Beautiful"

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/10/sports/baseball/10stadium.html?_r=3&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=sports&adxnnlx=1219860152-DlFgZe0c8R6kU6s8jv3o2A

“we need to be wary of enforced cultural conformity and the use of a ballgame to impose political correctness on a captive audience.”

Anyways, if they're going to play a national anthem at a major league baseball game it should be that of the Dominican Republic. Let's get real!
QITNL

climber
Aug 30, 2016 - 03:26pm PT
Most national anthems are pretty corny. They were all written before music got good.

I never stand for the Star Spangled bit. Can't hear it. We're still drinking beers in the parking lot.

Missed the memo that it was all about the troops. If that's part of the package, they should relabel it.

I always stand for Take Me Out to the Ballgame. I'm first on my feet. That's 100% American Values. You get peanuts and crackerjacks.

Canadians are smart. They stand on guard a lot. Everyone knows the key to the game is defense.

The Mexican national anthem is blood, blood and more blood. It's like a zombie flick. They play it on AM 1090 ESPN every midnight.
mike m

Trad climber
black hills
Aug 30, 2016 - 03:31pm PT
He should be able to do what he wants but so should the 49er's if they feel like canning him. If any of us regular dudes did that to their boss at a big event we would not have our jobs long I think. He should put some of his millions where his mouth is hopefully he is.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 30, 2016 - 03:41pm PT
After all the men and women who sacrificed their lives for our freedoms in wars and peace to make this country so great.

Hey Werner - they sacrificed their lives so that people would have the right to do EXACTLY what Kaepernick did.

If you want to respect the troops get on your congressman about properly funding the VA. Blathering "Thank you for your service" and whining about hollow gestures does nothing for the thousands of veterans living with the effects of our ridiculous wars.

I am going to the Texan/Charger game in Houston just before Thanksgiving, I just might sit through the Nationalist Anthem, my bro will video the reaction.

and yeah, I served (not that it entitles me to any additional consideration)

WBraun

climber
Aug 30, 2016 - 03:43pm PT
You lazy ass Americans can't even stand up and show some respect.

Instead, ya all gotta run yer mouths as lip service.

Stoopid Americans ......
Cragman

Trad climber
Mammoth and SLO.....Life is Good!!!
Aug 30, 2016 - 03:46pm PT
He's a has been.....getting no publicity because he cannot play the game.

Now he chooses to get his publicity with a lame stunt that only shows disrespect for our nation's heritage.

Makes him an even bigger loser.
QITNL

climber
Aug 30, 2016 - 03:55pm PT
Is this another thread about Donald Trump? I hate politics, I thought this was about sports!
Mike Friedrichs

Sport climber
City of Salt
Aug 30, 2016 - 04:05pm PT
My thoughts are that it's just lazy. He wants to make a statement about social justice without having to put any effort or money into it. If he really cares about black people, or social justice he should work with partners to increase graduation rates, or get more black people to vote. Or better yet, he could start a foundation and spend some of his $19 million to make life better for disparate populations.

I'm sorry, but unless you're Rosa Parks sitting is not social activism. It's just lazy.
PSP also PP

Trad climber
Berkeley
Aug 30, 2016 - 04:15pm PT
If he wants to make himself a target for the unintelligent overly patriotic it's his business. What ever happened to the 7th inning "take me out to the ball Game "? since 9/11 it turned into "God bless America" more overly patriotic nonsense.
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Aug 30, 2016 - 04:28pm PT


...they were all written before music got good.


I am now officially irate. QITNL!! Really?! OH MY GOD.

I have one word for you man, one word:

 Antonio Vivaldi;

 Wolfgang Mozart;

 Antonin Dvorak.

OK, it's a long one word. But all are from before 1814 ;)

Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Aug 30, 2016 - 04:35pm PT
It's great to see so many ST members standing so stiffly at attention, their heads swelling with patriotic pride as they listen to the music and sip kool-aid. . .
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Aug 30, 2016 - 04:37pm PT
Just another dumb washed up jock that wants to make a statement before the 49ers cut him loose.

I'm in the show respect camp on this one.

Showing ones respect for the flag and anthem should be based on the freedoms and rights we have as citizens and not based on the problems we have in our society.

Just my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Semper Fidelis!

the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Aug 30, 2016 - 04:42pm PT
It's sad that Kap sees this as a "country that oppresses black people", while I see it as a country that passed the Civil Rights act of 1964 and elected a black person as president twice, but still has a lot of work to complete due to racist individuals and institutions. But of course we have very different experiences so we are both entitled to our feelings.

It did take a lot of guts to make this stand knowing that there would be a lot of backlash. But I'm afraid he's made it about the protest instead of what he's protesting about.
chill

climber
The fat part of the bell-curve
Aug 30, 2016 - 04:44pm PT

...they were all written before music got good.



I am now officially irate. QITNL!! Really?! OH MY GOD.

I have one word for you man, one word:

Antonio Vivaldi;

Wolfgang Mozart;

Antonin Dvorak.

OK, it's a long one word. But all are from before 1814 ;)

Hey! Don't forget my man BACH!
QITNL

climber
Aug 30, 2016 - 04:47pm PT
Hey, Susan said she was bored. FLAMEWAR is ON!!!!

Musicians argue about sports. So music is the ticking timebomb in this joint?

Hmmm, I got skillz at that!
Tom Patterson

Trad climber
Seattle
Aug 30, 2016 - 04:59pm PT
Alright...I haven't chimed in on political stuff for some time, so I'll just pose a few questions:

1.) Why is there a connection between patriotic symbols and sporting events?

2.) Why is there such religious devotion given to these patriotic symbols?

3.) In what sense has the military been "fighting for our freedoms," or "defending our rights" anywhere? I ask this in a very literal sense.

I'll tip my hand here, too: my own sense about the response to Kaepernick's staying on the bench is that speaks way more to the lack of emotional self-control on the part of a public that has embraced a simplistic (as in, elementary level) mythology of U.S. origins than it does to his being a "'Merica hater."
QITNL

climber
Aug 30, 2016 - 05:07pm PT
Damn, top of the local news again tonight. Then they say "tell us what you think."

What ad agency is behind this?
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 30, 2016 - 05:25pm PT
NPR did a good story today about the veiled racism of Fransic Scott Key.

https://theintercept.com/2016/08/28/colin-kaepernick-is-righter-than-you-know-the-national-anthem-is-a-celebration-of-slavery/


From Wikipedia
Anti-abolitionist[edit]
A slave-owner himself,[20] Key used his position as U.S. Attorney to suppress abolitionists. In 1833, Key secured a grand jury indictment against Benjamin Lundy, editor of the anti-slavery publication, the Genius of Universal Emancipation, and his printer, William Greer, for libel after Lundy published an article that declared, "There is neither mercy nor justice for colored people in this district [of Columbia]". Lundy's article, Key said in the indictment, "was intended to injure, oppress, aggrieve, and vilify the good name, fame, credit & reputation of the Magistrates and constables" of Washington. Lundy left town rather than face trial; Greer was acquitted.[21]

In August 1836, Key agreed to prosecute botanist and doctor Reuben Crandall, brother of controversial Connecticut school teacher Prudence Crandall, who had recently moved to the national capital. Key secured an indictment for "seditious libel" after two marshals (who operated as slave catchers in their off hours) found Crandall had a trunk full of anti-slavery publications in his Georgetown residence, five days after the Snow Riot, caused by rumors that a mentally ill slave had attempted to kill an elderly white woman. In an April 1837 trial that attracted nationwide attention, Key charged that Crandall's actions instigated slaves to rebel. Crandall's attorneys acknowledged he opposed slavery, but denied any intent or actions to encourage rebellion. Key, in his final address to the jury said:

"Are you willing, gentlemen, to abandon your country, to permit it to be taken from you, and occupied by the abolitionist, according to whose taste it is to associate and amalgamate with the negro? Or, gentlemen, on the other hand, are there laws in this community to defend you from the immediate abolitionist, who would open upon you the floodgates of such extensive wickedness and mischief?"

A jury acquitted Crandall.[22][23]

This defeat, as well as family tragedies in 1835, diminished Key's political ambition. He resigned as district attorney in 1840. He remained a staunch proponent of African colonization and a strong critic of the antislavery movement until his death.[24]
PotatoHead

Trad climber
Nunya,ID
Aug 30, 2016 - 05:33pm PT
Just another dumb washed up jock that wants to make a statement before the 49ers cut him loose.

^^^^^^^
Bingo

It's not a matter of his right to protest..or if it's a just cause. It's a matter of style and respect. He lacks sorely in both categories. Instead of being an active member of the solution, he chose to make it about himself. The kid has quite the damaged ego.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Aug 30, 2016 - 05:34pm PT
I remember being a young kid in school and I stopped reciting the pledge of allegiance for a few moments one day and just listened. All the kids reciting in unison sounded an awful lot like brainwashing to me. But then I really thought about the words and what they said and meant to me and I joined back in... with liberty and justice for all.

Yes we don't always live up to our ideals, but there are many good ideals.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Aug 30, 2016 - 05:36pm PT
And he only had 2 good years as a pro. ;)



Colin Kaepernick Stats

NFL



Regular Season |



Passing Stats
SEASON TEAM GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
2011
SF
3 3 5 60.0 35 7.00 0 19 0 0 75.2 81.3
2012
SF
13 136 218 62.4 1,814 8.32 10 57 3 2 69.0 98.3
2013
SF
16 243 416 58.4 3,197 7.69 21 64 8 3 65.9 91.6
2014
SF
16 289 478 60.5 3,369 7.05 19 80 10 3 60.2 86.4
2015
SF
9 144 244 59.0 1,615 6.62 6 76 5 1 47.1 78.5
Career 57 815 1,361 59.9 10,030 7.37 56 80 26 9 -- 88.5



Rushing Stats
SEASON TEAM GP ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LST
2011
SF
3 2 -2 -1.0 -1 0 0 0 0
2012
SF
13 63 415 6.6 50 5 18 7 2
2013
SF
16 92 524 5.7 28 4 28 3 1
2014
SF
16 104 639 6.1 90 1 28 5 2
2015
SF
9 45 256 5.7 15 1 13 4 1
Career 57 306 1,832 6.0 90 11 87 19 6


mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Aug 30, 2016 - 05:45pm PT


...it's sad that Kap sees this as a "country that oppresses black people", while I see it as a country that passed the Civil Rights act of 1964 and elected a black person as president twice, but still has a lot of work to complete due to racist individuals and institutions.


Agreed, 100%.

This goes to the heart of my first post here. There is so much about our country that is good and great. And a lot of that is unique to humankind and unique in human history.

My personal favorite American "uniqueness" is The Wilderness Act (which, of course, has nothing to do with race relations). What other country in human history ever set aside land to remain wild (before 1964)? We do some things very, very well.

I have little tolerance for those who choose to emphasize the negative.


10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 30, 2016 - 05:49pm PT

CK is spoiled little brat. Instead doing something honorable... something to move the conversation forward... he acts like a whiny d#@&%ebag."

It may be a ploy to keep his "job".
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Aug 30, 2016 - 05:57pm PT
I think he took the lazy road to call attention to a serious problem. It was bound to backfire. Standing for the Anthem is like the minimum requirement for citizenship. A more effective approach would have been to lend his voice and $$ to the BLM movement.
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Aug 30, 2016 - 06:01pm PT
The Star Spangled Banner was first sung during the World Series in 1918. It was played because we were at war.
locker

climber
"STFU n00b!!!"
Aug 30, 2016 - 06:17pm PT



The worlds problem in a nutshell...


















































"Stoopid Americans "...



Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Aug 30, 2016 - 06:20pm PT
There is so much about our country that is good and great. And a lot of that is unique to humankind and unique in human history.

Yes, but the U.S.A. is still very racist . . . you all need to get out and see for yourselves.

I think C.K. is trying to make a statement about the rampant police brutality against non-whites . . . more power to him. There should be a separation of church and state, so to speak, when it comes to sports and nationalism . . . no anthems required, except for the Olympics.

To call this man a loser, as at least one poster has, is not very Christian. Has he no right to voice his opinion?
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Aug 30, 2016 - 06:24pm PT

Yes, but the U.S.A. is still very racist . . . you all need to get out and see for yourselves.

I for one don't disagree (and I see it for myself more often than I'd like).

But is that problem only an American problem? Or is it a human problem?
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Aug 30, 2016 - 06:33pm PT
Has he no right to voice his opinion?

Have I no right to voice mine? Do others have no voice to theirs? What if 50,000 people in a stadium voiced an opinion he should stand up or get out?

DMT
locker

climber
"STFU n00b!!!"
Aug 30, 2016 - 06:34pm PT


People that fly the American flag in their front yards are obviously more patriotic than those that don't...

zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 30, 2016 - 06:35pm PT
^I was going to talk to you about that DMT. Are those 50,000 people a corporation?

Then they should STFU.

And locker, they're certainly as patriotic as those that fly the so-called stars & bars in front of their trailers.




T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Aug 30, 2016 - 06:38pm PT
Damn it!,
my bank has possibly been robbed. :(

http://www.krcrtv.com/news/crime/police-investigating-possible-bank-robbery-in-redding/66199442
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Aug 30, 2016 - 06:38pm PT
What if 50,000 people in a stadium voiced an opinion he should stand up or get out?

No problem . . . too bad they are mostly a bunch of white people that can afford the luxury of sporting events to begin with.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Aug 30, 2016 - 06:40pm PT
I hear you on the rich NFL sports fans there bud.

He did accept their paycheck. Is he a whore?

DMT
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Aug 30, 2016 - 06:45pm PT
Is he a whore?

With all due respect, aren't we all whores on some level?
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 30, 2016 - 06:48pm PT
I don't think it is proper to refer to men as whores.

Aren't they putos?




Yo




Controversial, eh?

Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Aug 30, 2016 - 06:51pm PT
I stand corrected!

Puto indeed!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 30, 2016 - 06:54pm PT
There are definitely some men who are whores.

I know of at least one in my town.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Aug 30, 2016 - 06:56pm PT
Hey MH I got a 58 too. Me mum was from New Jersey though.

DMT
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Aug 30, 2016 - 07:01pm PT
OK, this "sports" thread has played out,
next question;

Will Tim Tebow make The Show in baseball?

Me thinks not.

edit;
Oh yeah,
my bank has been robbed and the perp never showed a weapon.
Stoopid Tellers.
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Aug 30, 2016 - 07:06pm PT
Sorry about your bank, Tad. You'll let us know if you need a loan to get by?
SusanA

Sport climber
Bay Area
Aug 30, 2016 - 07:10pm PT
I served in the Air Force and I do not think I am dishonored one bit by what he is doing. Did he say anything negative about people in the service?

It is funny that so many people try to speak for veterans. We are not all of the same mind and some will agree or disagree with just about anything.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Aug 30, 2016 - 07:13pm PT
BFD...Let's jump to all sorts of dumb conclusions and crap your pants with whitey on the moon...
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 30, 2016 - 07:17pm PT
Meanwhile...at this very moment...the Trump campaign is desperately trying to find a way to pin this on Hillary.
Edge

Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
Aug 30, 2016 - 07:28pm PT
The whole issue doesn't concern me whatsoever. It's only news because news organizations are harping on it.

Here's some other burning headlines ripped from today's MSN page:

McFee has 'no regrets' about past infidelity.
Who? Apparently some singer I don't know slept around.

Larry King 'emotionally paralyzed' amid scandal.
Isn't he something like 90+ years old? Maybe there's nothing emotional about it.

Trump considers trip to meet with Mexican president.
Ok, I once considered a trip to Vermont to meet with an ex-girlfriend; it never went any further than that as I'm sure I wasn't wanted there either.

Fitness Trainers Gain 60 Lbs. and Drop it Again to Demonstrate How Hard it Is to Lose Weight
Is this something fat people need to be aware of?

Harrison apologizes to Kaepernick, did not know he was black
See what happens when uninformed people jump into something that's none of their business?
SusanA

Sport climber
Bay Area
Aug 30, 2016 - 07:31pm PT
Lol, can I get an apology from everyone that didn't know I was black?
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Aug 30, 2016 - 07:44pm PT
If I had some hot black lives matter pussy to impress I would sit down too .

I'm pretty sure he can get some hot white pussy too.
SusanA

Sport climber
Bay Area
Aug 30, 2016 - 07:45pm PT
Wow Radical...... that is disappointing to hear you say things like that. Not very classy ...especially from a doctor.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 30, 2016 - 07:57pm PT
Radical is not a doctor.
QITNL

climber
Aug 30, 2016 - 07:57pm PT
Here come the drunks!
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
Aug 30, 2016 - 08:00pm PT
Like this guy has to go out of his way for pussy...
And as for respecting the troops, where's the respect from the rich A-holes sending kids off to fight for-profit wars?
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 30, 2016 - 08:05pm PT
Copernicus was right!


































edit: there is a bong-shop that I drive past twice a week before/after work. They hang a confederate flag out front. When I drive by, I call them, on the cellular telephone, and say, repeatedly and without interruption, for minutes:










"N-gger-n-gger-n-gger-n-gger-n-gger-n-gger-n-gger! N-gger-n-gger-n-gger-n-gger!", etc


This seems to excite them, although to what end I cannot tell.
Al Barkamps

Social climber
Red Stick
Aug 30, 2016 - 08:18pm PT
shut up Radical.

You're scaring the horses.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 30, 2016 - 08:18pm PT
Yes and whites do a wonderful job of staying together too.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2253421/1-3-US-children-live-father-according-census-number-parent-households-decreases-1-2-million.html


https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/the-number-of-children-living-in-single-parent-homes-has-nearly-doubled-in


Are you a single parent??
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 30, 2016 - 08:24pm PT
Your stats are wrong...http://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/p20-570.pdf
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Aug 30, 2016 - 08:33pm PT
Being born out of wedlock does not mean your were abandon.


PotatoHead

Trad climber
Nunya,ID
Aug 30, 2016 - 08:41pm PT
^^^^^
Rut Roh. B0b D'uh has his (moral)hackles raised...yet again. Prepare for a heavy dose of his doooooshery!!
Cragman

Trad climber
Mammoth and SLO.....Life is Good!!!
Aug 30, 2016 - 08:43pm PT
Kaepernick has nothing but a lot of money...for which he does almost nothing to earn.

Clearly, he isn't putting any of his money where his mouth is, in an effort to help solve the perceived problems he denigrates our country and cops about.

And it is no surprise he has support amongst the legions in this country of the same twisted, self-serving ilk...including many here on ST.

The same people who deny the principles our country was founded on.....yet the money they work so hard for has the name of God plastered all over it.

Kaepernick, et al........time to wise up.
Lurkingtard

climber
Aug 30, 2016 - 08:48pm PT
It's ok to love and hate things about America. If this story gets your ire up. You're an idiot.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 30, 2016 - 09:26pm PT
Kaepernick has lived the American dream. Rags to riches. I salute him for his success. I mean it. I like seeing people succeed. It's a great thing. I wish he'd show some basic respect for the nation he has lived in and enjoyed his success in. If he doesn't respect the nation that's fine too. It galls me, but so what.

But this idea that he has 1st amendment rights to express himself in this context is not so simple. He was at work, employed by the 49er's and the NFL. The 1st amendment protects our freedom of speech from interference by our government (with the obvious exceptions). It does not define what private groups can or can't do. I've had jobs where my boss was very clear on policy concerning what was said or discussed in the workplace. Were they breaking the law?

He has put his employers in a tough spot. Do they tell him to stand? Do they permit his protest? They can terminate his contract in which case instead of getting over $100M he gets "only" about $16M. You know their pissed at him. He sucks, he's poisoned the locker room and has no respect from the team. They can't play him, so he's an overpriced boat anchor.

I think he pulled this stunt because he's a narcissist starved for attention now that his game is in the toilet along with his NHL career.
locker

climber
"STFU n00b!!!"
Aug 30, 2016 - 09:31pm PT

"They can terminate his contract in which case instead of getting over $100M he gets "only" about $16M."...

...

Unless he's a complete idiot...

he'd still be a peanut sitting pretty and set for life...

$16m isn't chump change...
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 30, 2016 - 09:39pm PT
$16m isn't chump change...

It amazes me how fast some people can run through $16M. Four on a house, a few high end cars and maybe a boat. Get talked into one or two investment scams, a few hangers on, and before you know it the repo man is knockin' on the door.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Aug 30, 2016 - 09:41pm PT
his game is in the toilet along with his NHL career.

Hockey night in America Kris?

his game is in the toilet along with his NFL career.

Fixt it for ya. :)
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 30, 2016 - 09:45pm PT
Crap. I spit beer on my keyboard. That's funny! Busted.
SusanA

Sport climber
Bay Area
Aug 30, 2016 - 09:57pm PT
Radical you do have a beautiful daughter. But I do not understand what you are trying to say about race and such.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 30, 2016 - 09:57pm PT
Despite my policy disagreements with President Obama and his administration, if I was a Stanley Cup winner invited to the White House I would certainly go. This is exactly what I was trying to refer to in Kaepernick's case. Basic respect. You raise a great point. I thought Thomas was wrong at the time. Guess I still do.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Aug 30, 2016 - 10:12pm PT
update on the robbery of my bank;


REDDING, Calif. - On Tuesday at 5:49 p.m. officers from Redding Police Department responded to a report of a bank robbery that occurred at the Wells Fargo Bank located at 830 East Cypress Ave.

According to Sergeant Bullington, a white male, 20-40-years-old, came into the bank and never showed a weapon but passed a note requesting the money. He made off with an unknown amount of money before running from the bank.


the suspect;

photo not found
Missing photo ID#469495


Damn that sounds like an easy heist. :(
QITNL

climber
Aug 30, 2016 - 10:21pm PT
Yeah. That must be some powerful writing.

I write stuff that makes folks fork out cash, but that guy's got a gift.

I hope he invests it wisely.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Aug 30, 2016 - 10:41pm PT
He is exercising his right as an American, although I wouldn't call it courageous or speaking truth to power...more like tone deaf.
QITNL

climber
Aug 30, 2016 - 10:45pm PT
Yeah. And if you were Teller 5 it would totally suck.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 30, 2016 - 10:50pm PT
I support his first amendment rights, but why is he now just becoming interested in black lives. Why wasn't he speaking out years ago?

How do you know he did not? And finally got fed up.

Seems no different than John Carlos and Tommie Smith. And no one remembers the white guy on the stand with them, who gave complete support.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 30, 2016 - 10:59pm PT
Here I tell you what - I'm literally doing a Doctorate course as we speak
I have access to every data base you can imagine
Here's just one study I clicked on - I need to write preventive health teaching and policy for a neighborhood in Balitmore.
Maybe you can help me ?

Maybe you'll be lucky, and I'll be assigned as one of your Committee Professors. Or maybe I will, and you won't be lucky.......
QITNL

climber
Aug 30, 2016 - 11:36pm PT
C'mon, punk. Hit delete. I dare you. I double double dare you.

Delete key is your friend. Give it a tickle.

Do it!
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 30, 2016 - 11:44pm PT
in charge of all the doctorates

Weird turn of phrase as I assume you are referring to a PhD or EdD?
I'm sure you'll do well on your orals. I've been on numerous committees and interestingly enough, they do like a little humility.

Susan
QITNL

climber
Aug 30, 2016 - 11:46pm PT
Hey Susan, you were bored. How's this working out?

You a Niners fan? Can we bag on Jed York?
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 31, 2016 - 12:15am PT
Hey Susan, you were bored. How's this working out?

It was ok. A few thoughtful, reasoned comments but then it went all ST.
But it provided some time killing entertainment on a slow Tuesday night.
I would say I'm a 49ers fan, in a global home team manner. I don't really follow specific players, stats and all that.

Weird thinking I can pull the plug on this thread if I so desire. What a sense of POWER. I think I'll just sit through it.

Susan
QITNL

climber
Aug 31, 2016 - 12:26am PT
That's cool.

Do you know this place?
http://www.ninersnation.com/

They got a LOT to say about it. Too much for me to read at this point.

Tonight we poured one out for Coco Crisp.
moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Aug 31, 2016 - 03:44am PT
What is apparent to me, is how everybody is racist.

Poor, uneducated people have huge problems.

Can anybody find reliable statistics correlating happiness with IQ? Or personal income vs IQ?

I am not sure what motivated Kaepernik to do what he did, but he expressed it in a peaceful manner. Maybe we should listen to what he has to say?

Btw, Radical might be blunt, but we, the liberals, need to listen. It's all too easy to get blindsided.

Moose
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 31, 2016 - 05:50am PT
Radical for President!
SusanA

Sport climber
Bay Area
Aug 31, 2016 - 07:10am PT
Radical....are you hitting on me? I don't do chat on facebook and I thought only teenagers did that. I have no idea what you are saying any more but I see now you are not a real doctor. You also seem to have a serious hard on for Kaepernick....like it's that big a deal.

I only have a bachelors degree but at least it is not from Capella! You do have a fan club here so enjoy that.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Aug 31, 2016 - 07:20am PT
I don't do chat on facebook and I thought only teenagers did that.

I don't know any teenagers that use facebook, unless their parents make them.

DMT
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
Aug 31, 2016 - 07:34am PT
An over-simplification, but kinda valid.
An over-simplification, but kinda valid.
Credit: 7SacredPools
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Aug 31, 2016 - 07:46am PT
Just ask Ray Rice.

Or Rae Carruth.

Travis Henry?

Where's Greg Hardy these days?

Aaron Hernandez?

Hmmm
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Aug 31, 2016 - 09:19am PT
I wake up every morning in a house that was built by slaves.

For me is just a different spin on the same issue (and not in "the content sucks but the delivery was great!" bullsh#t way). I think there's room for more than one right reaction.

For all the under-educated white Americans who support Trump, or the white people who think they don't benefit from their white privilege - that their lives and black lives are valued equally in our society - or the self-righteous self-loving haters in the name of their own self-aggrandizing morality ...

For me, I prefer Kaepernick. But there's room for more than one right reaction in this human thing we do.
WBraun

climber
Aug 31, 2016 - 09:42am PT
You people are insane.

Just stand up for a couple or more minutes is all it takes.

So freakin simple.

Instead you fools go ape sh!t with all this stoopid politics .....
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Aug 31, 2016 - 09:47am PT
Sure, there's a right reaction :-)

As opposed to ... (fill it in however your omniscient omnipotent brain tells you to, because we each know the truth of other people's lives and experiences and brains better than they know themselves)

You Americans, liberals, conservatives, Christians, non-Christians, Supertopians who are interested in this topic, Supertopians who talk about non-climbing related issues, Kaepernick supporters, Kaepernick detractors - you all suck and are doing it wrong! Why can't you be more like me and do things the right way?

"Wise up." "Pathetic." Me power! -> White power! Humans ...
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Aug 31, 2016 - 09:53am PT
Just stand up for a couple or more minutes is all it takes.

Pretty simple.

DMT
WyoRockMan

climber
Grizzlyville, WY
Aug 31, 2016 - 09:57am PT
Kaepernick, "America's not great", Pitchforks!

Trump, "America's not great", President!
Adventurer

Mountain climber
Virginia
Aug 31, 2016 - 10:00am PT
As a 10 year Army veteran, on one hand I have to say that I don't give a damn about him not standing for the national anthem. It's a free country.

On the other hand, I think he made a poor choice. His action was kind of like refusing to shake hands with the host at a dinner party.
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 31, 2016 - 10:10am PT
Who could even sit through this! Regardless of your views on CK, this woman...!!!! Can. Do. It.




Susan
SalNichols

Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
Aug 31, 2016 - 11:03am PT
I'm a proud vet, and I'm supporting Kaepernick...otherwise what was the point of my service? #veteransforkaepernick.
couchmaster

climber
Aug 31, 2016 - 11:15am PT


He's not voting for Trump either, but now that he's ripped into Hillary I'm looking forward to Bob D and others changing their tune on the man (kid). LOL
"San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick believes that the Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton should be in prison. “We have a presidential candidate who has deleted emails and done things illegally and is a presidential candidate,” he said. “That doesn’t make sense to me because if that was any other person you’d be in prison.” Kaepernick shared his thoughts about the presidential election while trying to explain his decision to sit during the national anthem to protest the United States.

“So, what is this country really standing for?” he asked after bringing up Clinton’s behavior in political office."



DanaB

climber
CT
Aug 31, 2016 - 11:16am PT
The Canadians won the war of 1812?
Anders, I'm not sure anyone did,
And I still want to know - where is Canada? I've looked on every map and in every atlas, nothing.
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
Aug 31, 2016 - 11:19am PT
And I still want to know - where is Canada?

Educated in the US I take it.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Sep 1, 2016 - 12:13pm PT
This is a great video and Ryan Davis knocks it out of the park with his response to that Tomi Lahren rant:



DMT
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 1, 2016 - 12:44pm PT
Tomi got a new assh ole!

Brilliant, reasoned, highly-educated riposte.

STICK IT, " newsgirl!"

TV journalism in America is of the very worst variety, right up there with televangelism.

Thx, DMT.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Sep 1, 2016 - 04:15pm PT
49ers at Chargers, (last preseason game) starts at 7:00 tonight.

TV networks don't usually telecast the anthem (2 min. of primetime commercial revenue), unless it's a big game and a superstar entertainer is singin.

Wonder if they'll televise it tonight?

Will Colin stand and show some respect or sit and dis the nation that made him rich and (in)famous?

Hope he stands,
but I think he won't. :(

Stand or sit?,
What say you?

Oh yeah,
Go Niners!


Jebus H Bomz

climber
Old West Crackramento
Sep 1, 2016 - 04:43pm PT
I'm glad the founders fought so hard to make a country for fat asses sitting in armchairs to criticize a guy expressing his free thought for not standing.

MAYBE HE'S JUST TIRED!!!! LOL!!!!

edit: Yeah, angry blonde got calmly and definitively reamed. She's probably too dumb or playing the game too hard to care though.
SusanA

Sport climber
Bay Area
Sep 1, 2016 - 04:49pm PT
I don't think you can say the nation made him rich and famous....football fans made him rich and famous and they are not the whole nation. I live in SF Bay Area so I've heard of him and the controversy but I don't watch football so I also don't think I made him rich and he's not dissing me either. There are a lot of people in this nation. Kaepernick doesn't speak for them all but nobody else does either.

I see there are other vets here that are supporting him.....how many of the people criticizing him are veterans .... or do they just want to speak for veterans because it makes them feel proud?

http://twitter.com/hashtag/VeteransForKaepernick


Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Sep 1, 2016 - 04:53pm PT
I started out thinking he was dissing his teammates and the fans that pay to see the games, but he could do what he wants.

I've come more around to thinking,

a. his teammates are schmucks too
b. there is no need to respect NFL fans - ever.

The vet thing is laughable.

DMT
SusanA

Sport climber
Bay Area
Sep 1, 2016 - 05:00pm PT
Well I don't know what you are laughing at but I keep scrolling through all the photos on #VeteransForKaepernick and it brings back so many memories and makes me feel proud ....but I'm also not going back, lol!
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Sep 1, 2016 - 05:05pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#469670

Pop's has rolled his eyes and called me a pinko communist since I was 14. All laugh's- save your anger for something real.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Old West Crackramento
Sep 1, 2016 - 05:06pm PT
For a giant, corporate enterprise making oodles of money off America's penchant for snacks and lite beer to cast stones of righteousness is beyond laughable. That's great they've covered themselves in the flag, you can cover anything with a piece of cloth. For a guy to stand up and take a real stand (hahaha) is way more respectable, I'm glad to see there's somebody like that in the league.

Anyway, making these guys mythical and then tearing them down is just part of the entertainment value of the whole thing. BFD.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Sep 1, 2016 - 05:30pm PT
Showing ones respect for the flag and anthem should be based on the freedoms and rights we are granted as citizens, not based on the problems we have in our society.

Just my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

I will continue to stand for the anthem,
even though there are plenty of things I see wrong with our country.

And blaming the NFL and it's fans is laughable as well.

Will be interesting to see the Charger fans reaction to him if he was to take the field, lotsa military presence in SD.

Carry on sportopolitards,
enjoy the game,
if that's possible during pre season. ;)










rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Sep 1, 2016 - 06:05pm PT
Just stand up for a couple of minutes is all it takes.

Pretty simple.

Yea, I admire you guys, and enjoy hearing what you think, but at 36685 posts and 25824 posts, I just don't have that much time to sit and post.

If my daughter just changed her skin color, then she could be white like you too. Simple. But I don't mean to say that there's anything better about your brain functioning or skin functioning than hers :-) But you know, sometimes, in the political realm, people do.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Sep 1, 2016 - 07:06pm PT
So he kneeled on one knee while a Navy singer sung the anthem, 340 military service personel held the flag, the network televised it and cut to a few shots of him while it was sung.

Oh the drama....

edit;
the fans booed him when he took the field.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Sep 1, 2016 - 07:38pm PT
Dude should have dropped a prayer mat, faced Mecca and let out a loud "allahu akbar". Kneeling was weak sauce.
Inner City

Trad climber
East Bay
Sep 1, 2016 - 10:59pm PT
Kaep is crushing this post-game press conference right now. He is articulating a fairly coherent, non-violent, patriotic message of activism in the face of oppression.
A red and gold panther...

He played ok too..
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Sep 2, 2016 - 06:28am PT
Kaepernick said he would donate the first $1 million he earned this season to organizations that work with the community.

"I am planning to take it a step further, I'm currently working with organizations to be involved, and making sure I'm actively in these communities, as well as donating the first million dollars I make this year to different organizations to help these communities and help these people," he said.

Kaepernick added: "I've been very blessed to be in this position and make the kind of money I do, and I have to help these people. I have to help these communities. It's not right that they're not put in the position to succeed, or given the opportunities to succeed."

Respect
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Sep 2, 2016 - 06:38am PT
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Sep 2, 2016 - 10:04am PT
To call this man a loser, as at least one poster has, is not very Christian. Has he no right to voice his opinion?

Au contraire passing judgement on people you don't know is the Christian thing to do. Ironic no? yes? maybe?

I've really enjoyed the intelligent, compassionate, insightful posts on this thread. Thank you both!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 2, 2016 - 10:23am PT
He played ok.

All that I, as a 49ers fan, should give a damn about.

But it took guts to do what he did.

And they say any ink is good ink.

That may or may not be the case,
but in a way, CK's doing the front office's PR staff a favor in that respect.

He should get a bonus. :0)

^^^^Irony, fer sure, Wade!
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Sep 2, 2016 - 11:00am PT
He took some good advice and took a knee instead of sitting. To me personally that's a huge difference. Sitting seems to show disrespect, like he wouldn't be bothered to stand up, but kneeling shows he's concerned and deferential. Again that's just how I feel personally.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Sep 2, 2016 - 11:45am PT
http://dailysnark.com/report-tony-romo-doesnt-stand-national-anthem-cowboys-game/
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 2, 2016 - 03:25pm PT
As a responsible fan of the Niners, and a devoted one of Joe Montana's, here is what Joe said.

This is what Holy Joe said.

In comments made in May.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/colin-kaepernick-san-francisco-49ers-joe-montana-comments-051216

"...I don't know his mental state at this point, whether he wants to be with the 49ers or not," Montana said.
"You read some of the things that says he doesn't want to be there.
If he doesn't want to be there, most of his teammates don't want him there.
Then trying to get that back is difficult.
I think it's all dependent on how he goes about everything when the team gets back together."

What do you say now, Joe?

Should he sit or should he squat now?
Should he speak or should he not now?

It's easier when all you have to worry about is to pass or not.

I don't lie a lot of drama with my Wheaties.

Just bananas and milk.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Sep 2, 2016 - 07:09pm PT
Haven't followed anything here, but have been ranting all week with fellow Niner fans. They hate him too, somewhat.

Im watching Batman VS Superman now and noticed a weird parralel, if you will.

Julian Assange is a guy who drops controversial information meant to divulge not only gov't secrets, but specifically ones that divulge an intent of willful deception (lying), pay for play politics (corruption), and possibly a vulnerability to national secrets (treason).

And then there's as#@&%e Kaepernick. He has obviously been brainwashed by other people to think he's oppressed and the 'black man' is 'put down'. Or whatever.

One person operates to bring light to dark secrets that are damaging to our country.

The other person is perpetuating falsehoods of American culture, while he profits from the same culture that he claims is unfair to people like him.

Julian Assange is kind of a prick, but he's also like Batman. The authorities hate him because he makes them look incompetent. He exposes thruth, and sometimes the own dishonesty of our 'authorities'.

nah000

climber
no/w/here
Sep 2, 2016 - 08:05pm PT
only read the last few pages, so maybe this has been said:

considering he managed to get even a bunch of honkies on a climbing board talking it seems like regardless of whether one agrees with his position or not, what he did was completely successful...



with that said, it's pretty mind boggling how uptight some of you get over someone making a peaceful and completely non-obtrusive action with their own body.



are some of you really so insecure about whether or not the good ole u s of a is the greatest country on earth that you want to control every single person who might want to point out that from their experience/perspective there might be some issues?

or is it just that the brown shirt goes with your eyes?
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Sep 2, 2016 - 08:18pm PT
I'm fine with whatever CK wants to do...just wish he would start playing football again...probably not going to happen.

Would it be more exciting for everyone if he poured on some gas and lit himself on fire?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Sep 2, 2016 - 08:37pm PT
nah000, it's deeper than the simplicity you portray it as. And you're smart enough to realize this. That makes me question where you're trying go, other than possibly just trolling.

What CK did needs to be stomped out immediately, as well as the whole falsehood premise that BLM is based on.

It is all another illusion to distract us. To distract us fro the very f*#king thing he claims to be 'fighting for'. Unity.

THEY want us divided. And idiots like CK help THEM. He is not helping US. Even when he does his 1Mil 'contibution' to help people.

Is he really that stupid? Or just mis-guided?

nah000

climber
no/w/here
Sep 2, 2016 - 09:32pm PT
sure blue... no question there is more being debated than just his action of refusing to stand.

i intentionally chose not to address the main other issue [as i see it] because i don't really have much to add to the debate of whether or not the black lives matter movement is "correct", "well-intentioned", "misguided" and/or etc.

as an outsider [both non-american citizen and white] what i may or may not have to say wouldn't add much to the debate, even if i had strong opinions.

but so that you know not all of my positions are black and white [ha!] what little opinion i do have is relatively split when it comes to the blm movement... on the one hand there is no question that systemic racism and white supremacy still exists in the us of a... on the other hand to suggest that that is the only or even a majority of the issue within black communities at this point in history [as from my relatively little informed viewpoint seems to sometimes be suggested by spokespeople within the blm movement] sems to me to be potentially rooted in too much externally directed and divisive blaming rather than being balanced with the both internal and external communicative solution building that is going to be required if the usa is to heal from its past [and sometimes present]... at the end of the day though, that is only a relatively ill-informed outsiders irrelevant two bits.



and so with that grey discussion out of the way, i still think anyone who believes that sitting during a national anthem is a reprehensible fashion to communicate a position [whether one agrees with that position or not] is at least a budding fascist [or aka an authoritarian nationalist], if not an outright card carrying one.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Sep 2, 2016 - 09:51pm PT
on the one hand there is no question that systemic racism and white supremacy still exists in the us of a... on the other hand to suggest that that is the only or even a majority of the issue within black communities at this point in history [as from my relatively little informed viewpoint seems to sometimes be suggested by spokespeople within the blm movement] sems to me to be potentially rooted in too much externally directed and divisive blaming rather than being balanced with the both internal and external communicative solution building that is going to be required if the usa is to heal from its past [and sometimes present]... at the end of the day though, that is only a relatively ill-informed outsiders irrelevant two bits.

I love yer viewpoint, but disagree a bit. There is definitely not a "systemic" racism in this country. Some would argue that Affirmative Action has actually gone too far, and I'd agree, that people are actually treated in a more benevolent manner BECAUSE of their race, not despite it. Of course that does not apply to 'wrong-color' people whould happen to be 'yellow' or also 'brown' (Asian Indian).

They need not apply.

Can you see where this is going? Can you see why my home-boy, Marthin Luther King Jr., said we should not judge people by the color of their skin, but the content of their character.

This may seem noble, and it is, it's fundamental. But it took a bold black dude to drive it home. Our Founding Fathers would be proud.

We are over the racist phase of our country in our souls, but some people keep stirring up the residue from the bottom of the pot. They actually thrive off of conflict and racism.

These are not necessarily bad people, but are very misguided.

I have a new thread about this in 2 seconds....
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 2, 2016 - 10:08pm PT
How much as a percentage do folks like Gates and Charles Barkley, Michael Jordan and Jackson and Thomas Dolby donate to goodwerks!

It would have been better had the K-Man took double knee.

Father Serra would have. He couldn't donate due to his vows of poverty and hypocrisy,
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Sep 2, 2016 - 10:21pm PT
regarding your quote, blue, that: "There is definitely not a "systemic" racism in this country."

here's one of the quotes that wiki uses regarding the definition for systemic or institutional racism:

"The collective failure of an organisation to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture, or ethnic origin. It can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes and behaviour which amount to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness and racist stereotyping which disadvantage minority ethnic people."

when you [blue] say that there is no systemic racism, i am assuming you must be referring to overt systemic racism involving objectively written laws for example. and with regard to that one specific example, sure, the u.s. as far as i am aware does not have those types of laws any longer.

but with regard to the definition of systemic or institutional racism, as i've shown above is generally accepted, it is much more insidious than just overtly written laws.



when exactly the same pair of resumes, except for the differing names of shiniqua johnson or jane doe being at the top, results in 50% more callbacks for the person with the white sounding name, then systemic racism exists. full stop.

and this is only one minor example.



systemic/institutional racism is insidious and to deny its existence is to either fail to understand what those words are generally being held to mean...

or it is to fail/refuse to accept the objectively, repeatedly, scientifically and statistically shown discrepancies in the way white and black people are treated by the institutions that form the backbone of the u.s.
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 2, 2016 - 10:36pm PT
Leave aside unwitting, there is plenty of outright blatant racial disdain if not hatred to be contended with and as Ali pointed out it ain't Vietnamese.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Sep 2, 2016 - 10:39pm PT
Maybe you could hint at what legal system you're used to. Tell us, at least, where your theories are based from. Is that fair?

Institutional/Systemic racism.

You sound like an academic. ANd that is o.k., my favorite criminologist, Crimpergirl, is the same. An Academic. But I know she does get into the 'field' and actually see stuff herself. I also understand academics go on figures and data. I get that.

What I think you fail to see, or relate to, is the common man. Or the common black/brown man as this discussion is based on.

You overlook the root cause of the problem. Again and again. It isn't about racism or profiling necessarily. It's about life choices. It's about failing to live up to their obligations to our society.

It's not really hard, if you're willing to work for a living.



nah000

climber
no/w/here
Sep 2, 2016 - 10:49pm PT
Maybe you could hint at what legal system you're used to. Tell us, at least, where your theories are based from.

genuinely, not sure what you're asking with this...



You overlook the root cause of the problem. Again and again. It isn't about racism or profiling necessarily. It's about life choices. It's about failing to live up to their obligations to our society.

that's where we both agree and disagree...

as you've stated, you see the world/"common black/brown man's" plight as being based solely on a person's choices.

i agree in part... but i disagree that it is based solely on choices, and so i see it as being based both on choices and on externalities.

and so when you see it as being based solely on people failing to live up to their obligations to our society, i see it as being based both in people failing to live up to their obligations to society AND to societies failing to live up to its obligations to people/individuals...

which is where my [ill-informed] "critique" of the blm movement departs from... as they [sometimes?] seem to trend towards only the latter half of that "and" pairing...
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Sep 2, 2016 - 10:50pm PT
^^^so you grew up black in the ghetto? Who knew?

Pretty hard to judge anyone in this world without walking a mile in their shoes...IMHO
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Sep 2, 2016 - 10:51pm PT
I talked to my Niner-fan good buddy about this. He's a 'millienel', a bit younger than me, but after working with me for a decade he's starting to see sh#t clearly.

I suggested, I sh#t you not, 2 days ago (before he did it today) that CK put his money and rep on the line. Donate 1/12 his income (1 Million dollars) to start a South San Francisco Inner City Kids Club.

It would take 1 x 150,000 salary to head coach, and 3 x $75,000 assistants. The other money goes to buying gear for all kids, and renting facilities that are safe.

All he has to do is show up once a month and sign footballs and say, "stay in school, get educated, and have fun".

You know how many lives he could save by doing that????

EDIT:
Pretty hard to judge anyone in this world without walking a mile in their shoes...IMHO

That's bit of BS, but just a bit. Politicians, for sure, are totally out of touch from 'regular' society and culture. They fester in their own weird goo that I just can't relate to, as a 'commoner'.
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Sep 3, 2016 - 12:12am PT
not that I care, but the dude doesn't look black. I mean, less black than Obama, whose mother is full-on white.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Sep 3, 2016 - 03:21am PT
You know, He's not exactly the first person to sit out the national anthem. A few decades ago this was fairly common passive protest.

Why is this such a big deal now? Why is it even news?

Is it just because he's black?

That used to be okay, too!

Have we really swung so far to the right that we are outraged at people of color making political statements?
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Sep 3, 2016 - 04:32am PT
And the police wonder why they have an image problem.....

Santa Clara Police Union Threatens Boycott of 49ers Games Over Kaepernick Protest

Read the whole article here: http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Santa-Clara-Police-Officers-Association-May-Boycott-Working-49ers-Games-392214541.html


A quote from the police union leader:

"The board of directors of the Santa Clara Police Officer's Association has a duty to protect its members and work to make all of their workings environments free of harassing behavior,” the letter added."


mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 3, 2016 - 07:52am PT
The Captain speaks.

All hear this.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/05/sports/sp-kareemchina5
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 3, 2016 - 09:21am PT
Bluering said:
but after working with me for a decade he's starting to see sh#t clearly.

There is so many places to go with that statement. But I'll be a good little old lady and keep my mouth SHUT! ;).

Susan
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Sep 3, 2016 - 09:32am PT
I hear ya, Susan. It was meant kinda tongue-in-cheek.
Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Sep 3, 2016 - 09:43am PT
The problem of racism and police violence has once again been pointed out by someone who has the worked their way to a position to where their voice can be heard on an international level. Freedom of speech is a right regardless of the circumstances or repercussions. This person excercised their right. Agree, disagree, address the issue of police violence or racism, or call foul. Extremism or denial will never be never a constructive solution.

FYI, on a related issue;
The Equal Rights Amendment has never been ratified.
I cry foul.
locker

climber
"STFU n00b!!!"
Sep 3, 2016 - 10:07am PT


"Why is this such a big deal now? Why is it even news?"...

Exactly...

T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Sep 3, 2016 - 10:11am PT
^^^
Simple,
I blame the politard media.

blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 3, 2016 - 10:48am PT
not that I care, but the dude doesn't look black. I mean, less black than Obama, whose mother is full-on white.

Kaepernick's biological mother is full-on white too--she's been on the media seeking attention.
Obama's father was of course 100% African black; I don't know what Kaepernick's father's specific make-up is, but since most black Americans have a substantial amount of European ancestry, it's not surprising that Kapernick is somewhat more white than Obama and somewhat more European and than African. He basically looks like a white guy with a deep tan, but who really cares.

And remember the "1 drop rule": because certain racists think (or thought) it's important to describe anyone with any African ancestry as "black," we're forever constrained to follow that convention. If you don't understand that, it's because your privilege has warped your thinking--don't even question it, just accept it.

For example, there's a part of me that wonders how people even know that Kapernick is "black"--does he describe himself that way? And why would people assume that the controversy has anything to do with him being "black," when it's self-evident that he isn't "black" in any sense other than the "1 drop rule"--he's mixed but almost certainly more European and African biologically.

But it's not productive to ask questions like that--more important to keep looking for examples of the pervasive racism going on and all that.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Sep 3, 2016 - 01:56pm PT
I refused to say the pledge in fourth grade, circa '68. Classmates stunned. Parents were called. Teacher incensed. Sent to the Principal. Got a Swat with the discipline paddle. Been a true Christian patriot ever since.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Sep 3, 2016 - 06:40pm PT
Kaepernick looks like Squiddly on Sponge Bob Square Pants...Now he's sporting a large afro...Dude's a Black Panther...
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 3, 2016 - 06:42pm PT
.Dude's a Black Panther...

Black-ish


Susan
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Sep 5, 2016 - 09:56am PT
she's not a black panther:


A member of the 2015 World Cup-winning U.S. women’s soccer team is standing, or rather kneeling, in support of Colin Kaepernick.

On Sunday night, Megan Rapinoe took a knee while the national anthem played ahead of a game between the Seattle Reign, where Rapinoe is a star midfielder, and the Chicago Red Stars.

And the 31-year-old said after the game that she will continue to kneel going forward as a “nod to” the 49ers quarterback, according to NWSL reporter John Halloran.
little Z

Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
Sep 5, 2016 - 10:12am PT
RJ's right, there's an uncanny likeness

Credit: little Z

Calamardo
Calamardo
Credit: little Z
monolith

climber
state of being
Sep 5, 2016 - 10:14am PT
There will be a handful more kneelers on opening sunday.
splitter

Trad climber
HighwayToHell
Sep 5, 2016 - 11:15am PT
RESPECT!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Sep 5, 2016 - 01:21pm PT
I liked watching kaepernick when he was the starting QB...I liked his line drive passes and his 15 yard dashes...I respect him for standing up for the less fortunate and don't buy into the haters who think he's a terrorist...Squiddly..
locker

climber
"STFU n00b!!!"
Sep 5, 2016 - 01:31pm PT


"...I respect him for standing up for the less fortunate and don't buy into the haters who think he's a terrorist..."...

~~~ Head NOT in the sand man...
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Sep 5, 2016 - 05:30pm PT
I liked watching kaepernick when he was the starting QB...I liked his line drive passes and his 15 yard dashes...I respect him for standing up for the less fortunate and don't buy into the haters who think he's a terrorist...Squiddly..

Hello? The dude is a f*#king walking testament to how awesome and compassionate the United States is.

He was abandoned by his black father when he and his white Mom were young. The loser mother then abandoned him too to adoption. Good thing he wasn't aborted, huh?

A couple of aging white folks wanted to adopt another boy into their family and welcomed young Colin into their home. He did well in his new home and with his new caring parents.

For this little rotten punk to come out this way now and blame America for it's race problems is utter bullsh#t, and quite hypocritical given his past.

He is here BECAUSE of white American compassion. Sorry we can't help all forgotten minority kids, but we're doing the best we can.

I'm tired of this blame whitey crap. F*#k you, move to Nigeria or South Africa if you think whitey is too racist for your precious ass!

I'm tired of this bullshit!!!
divad

Trad climber
wmass
Sep 5, 2016 - 05:36pm PT
Take the brown acid, bluey.
locker

climber
"STFU n00b!!!"
Sep 5, 2016 - 05:43pm PT


"He is here BECAUSE of white American compassion"...


His adoptive parents were good, caring, people...(I think)

But he is not here because of "White American compassion"...

That's the biggest pile of sh!t you've taken in at least a week...




Bigotry in America is very active...

Looks like it might even be growing...







Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 5, 2016 - 05:50pm PT
One thing he said no one can argue with. And that's cosmetologists need better training.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Sep 5, 2016 - 05:57pm PT
Bigotry in America is very active...

Looks like it might even be growing...

Explain how.

EDIT: let me help you out, Locker.

Law/Order and the hand of justice is out of control in this country. We have people in the highest offices of our government who appear to be above the law that usually convicts 'smaller' people.

The average joe still gets pulled over and harassed for the usual sh#t, even bald tires gets you a f*#king fix-it ticket that, if unresolved, turns into a bench warrent.

Next time you get pulled over for speeding, guess what, you have 'bench warrent' for not taking care of your other sh#t. The LAW NEVER FORGETS THE 'SMALLER' MAN. You got to jail overnight and probably make bail.

That's how me and you are dealt with. Like every other 'smaller' person. Doesn't matter what color you are. Crying about race is bullsh#t. All 'smaller' people get f*#ked with the same. Some of us have learned how to avoid confrontations with the law. Mostly.

Some haven't. It ain't about race. It's about class. You can literally get away with murder if you're connected, even espionage.

Me or you dont pay our parking tickets? We know what happens.
Al Barkamps

Social climber
Red Stick
Sep 5, 2016 - 06:48pm PT
blahblahblah wrote...
I don't know what Kaepernick's father's specific make-up is, but since most black Americans have a substantial amount of European ancestry

I thought for sure blahblahblah was talking out his ass, but a little digging around indicates that American descendants of slaves are anywhere between %20-%30 white. For men alone, the figure is about %35. But, for Kaepernick, it looks like he's at %95 Hamburgler.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Sep 5, 2016 - 06:54pm PT
Burger thef is a violation that even the big people get popped for...
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Sep 5, 2016 - 07:56pm PT
You know bluering instead of always trying to convince everyone you are right and know what's going on, you should listen to what other people think and try to have some empathy for people of different backgrounds. Not only will you come across a lot better and understand other points of view, you'll probably save yourself from an aneurysm.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Sep 5, 2016 - 08:30pm PT
you should listen to what other people think and try to have some empathy for people of different backgrounds.

The problem with people like you is that you assume I'm stupid and have not only not thought about the sh#t I spew, but I haven't lived it and seen it. I have, trust me.

I'm tired of the bullsh#t. Empathy? I have a lot. Like Afican Elephants, I have tons of empathy there.

People breaking windows and looting stores is not civil justice, and will get you the opposite. If people stopped and thought, they could fix this. Quietly.

Instead, everybody wants an excuse to get in the news, break things, and be a 'leader' of the cause.

They don't understand they're doing so much more damage than good. It drives me crazy!!!
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Sep 5, 2016 - 10:15pm PT
For this little rotten punk to come out this way now and blame America for it's race problems

I am puzzled as I thought that you were part of the group that believed in responsibility.

Who EXACTLY should be blamed for the race problems in America??
PSP also PP

Trad climber
Berkeley
Sep 6, 2016 - 06:32am PT
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/27/is_ferguson_feeding_on_the_poor
PSP also PP

Trad climber
Berkeley
Sep 6, 2016 - 06:40am PT
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/16/us/missouri-city-to-pay-4-7-million-to-settle-suit-over-jailing-practices.html?_r=0
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Sep 6, 2016 - 09:33am PT
How about Colin's new afro?

So authentic.
locker

climber
"STFU n00b!!!"
Sep 6, 2016 - 09:49am PT


"How about Colin's new afro?

So authentic."
...



Go stand in front of a mirror and ask yourself...

"How authentic is my hairstyle???...



the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Sep 6, 2016 - 10:06am PT
No Bluering I don't think you're stupid. From what you post I can tell you are intelligent. But you do not display empathy for people of different backgrounds who you are at odds with, you usually vilify them.

We are talking about Kaep who is trying to fix this "quietly".

Have you ever been discriminated against because of your long hair? I had a few comments back in the day because I had long hair, once from a potential employer and once I heard it second hand that it had come from the CEO of my company. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. But I've experienced a TINY bit of discrimination.

No imagine it's your skin color and you can't change it. Would you just live with the injustice or want to do something about it?

I totally agree that violence or vandalism is totally lame and counterproductive.



Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Sep 6, 2016 - 10:08am PT
How about Colin's new afro?

So authentic.

Seriously?

DMT
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Sep 6, 2016 - 10:09am PT
bluering posted
Explain how.


You've had this explained to you ad nauseam over years. If you still don't know and lack the the curiosity to do some research on your own it's just willful ignorance at this point. Fingers in your ears insisting this can't be true.

The insistence that white America has that tens of millions of non-white Americans are incorrectly articulating their experience living in our country is a defensive mass delusion. We can't even respect our fellow countrymen enough to acknowledge that maybe our personal experience isn't the universal American experience.
i-b-goB

Social climber
Wise Acres
Sep 6, 2016 - 10:15am PT
fierce...

http://www.espn.com/espnw/sports/article/17467341/nwsl-seattle-reign-us-women-national-team-player-megan-rapinoe-national-anthem-kneel-nod-san-francisco-49ers-quarterback-colin-kaepernick
SusanA

Sport climber
Bay Area
Sep 6, 2016 - 10:26am PT
The insistence that white America has that tens of millions of non-white Americans are incorrectly articulating their experience living in our country is a defensive mass delusion. We can't even respect our fellow countrymen enough to acknowledge that maybe our personal experience isn't the universal American experience.


Most of my friends and coworkers are white and Asian and mixed race ....I don't even know what race some of my coworkers are. They all have different opinions and ideas about race and just about everything else. Maybe there are places where white people are all alike but I have not seen it where I have lived. I think phrases like "white America" or "black America" don't really say anything useful and is even a bit racist because it assumes that all people in a race think alike, which I know they don't.

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Sep 6, 2016 - 10:29am PT
Seriously?

DMT

No. Not seriously.

Comical.

Kinda reminds me of the joke about a black man wearing a tux to his vasectomy.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Sep 6, 2016 - 10:48am PT
I'm sure it reminds you of all sorts of good ole boy fun.

DMT
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Sep 6, 2016 - 11:24am PT
SusanA posted
Most of my friends and coworkers are white and Asian and mixed race ....I don't even know what race some of my coworkers are. They all have different opinions and ideas about race and just about everything else. Maybe there are places where white people are all alike but I have not seen it where I have lived. I think phrases like "white America" or "black America" don't really say anything useful and is even a bit racist because it assumes that all people in a race think alike, which I know they don't.

Is that a picture of you in your avatar?
SusanA

Sport climber
Bay Area
Sep 6, 2016 - 07:59pm PT
HighDesertDJ posted

Is that a picture of you in your avatar?

Lol....this isn't Tinder! Why do you ask? I'm not a Trump fan if that's what you want to know....you were looking at the hat, lol? No of course it's not me and I know you already googled it. She does kinda look like me except I'm not quite so.... I'll let you guess the rest!

Oh, Is that a picture of you in YOUR avatar? Weird but cute I guess!

Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
Sep 6, 2016 - 08:17pm PT
It's a big country and while some places are diverse there are also still color lines and segregation. The best tracts of land are controlled largely by WASP land deals and WASP banks and a largely plantation economy. As hard as my or your German ancestors may have had it in some generations, there is no comparison to the generational disenfranchisement and abuses experienced by American First Nations and the descendants of African Slaves. That is all.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Sep 7, 2016 - 09:08am PT
SusanA: http://youtu.be/CjEf30FD7yo?t=329



And Supertopo is a bastion of pasty middle aged white dudes, especially in the political threads, and "I have a black friend who thinks" or "look here is a video of a black person who agrees with me therefore this is ok" posts abound. I was just trying to parse out if your avatar was ironic, representative or just a "look here is a picture of a black person with a Trump hat so Trump can't be racist" sort of thing.

Thanks for being willing to jump into the political threads. We get pretty feisty so hold on to your butt.
locker

climber
"STFU n00b!!!"
Sep 7, 2016 - 09:12am PT



"She does kinda look like me except I'm not quite so..."...

SCHWARP tongued???...

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Sep 7, 2016 - 09:16am PT
She's not quite so willing to wear plaid I think is what she meant.
SusanA

Sport climber
Bay Area
Sep 7, 2016 - 01:00pm PT
And Supertopo is a bastion of pasty middle aged white dudes, especially in the political threads, and "I have a black friend who thinks" or "look here is a video of a black person who agrees with me therefore this is ok" posts abound. I was just trying to parse out if your avatar was ironic, representative or just a "look here is a picture of a black person with a Trump hat so Trump can't be racist" sort of thing.

Yes I know you are trying to know if I am black because that seems to important to you, what race people are. The answer is that I'm half, from my dad. My mother is Puerto Rican. The picture is a joke because my boyfriend has one of those hats but I don't think he is into Trump as much as he was before.

Thanks for the youtube of that goofy old climbing video. Those guys without shirts looked like they could be in San Francisco, lol! I've seen a bunch of climbing videos but not that one. I recognize Joshua Tree because I went down there last winter with a meetup trip and would hope to go again this year. It is so beautiful! I grew up in Brooklyn and did not even know there was such a place.
splitclimber

climber
Sonoma County
Sep 7, 2016 - 01:54pm PT
fully behind CK.

I keep coming back to thinking of this video



mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 11, 2016 - 12:14pm PT
Y otra movemiento nace.

Should keep everybody "occupied" for a time.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/11/sports/nfl-scores-schedule.html?_r=0
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Sep 11, 2016 - 12:41pm PT
The national anthem should be something more than a patriotic tune we automatically snap to attention to. We can leave that to North Korea. We are the United States and must set an example for the rest of the world. It is great that the various protests have sparked a peaceful and respectful conversation. Makes me proud to be a North American (Cannucks are cool too)
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Sep 11, 2016 - 01:11pm PT
CK is a naive fool, and a useful 'idiot', or tool.

He's being a willful participant. It's hard to ever forgive for the DAMAGE he's doing, despite his "good intentions" for the "persecuted".

He's a f*#king tool of the distorted cause. He's dead to me.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Sep 11, 2016 - 02:52pm PT
It's hard to ever forgive for the DAMAGE he's doing


pray tell, what damage is he doing?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 11, 2016 - 04:44pm PT
So much for respectful conversation. One does not call one's respondent a "tool" but since he's "dead to you," Blurring, why even mention him?

Yer the tool, nanner nanner.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Sep 12, 2016 - 02:29pm PT
http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/09/12/black-body-count-rises-chicago-police-step-back
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
Sep 12, 2016 - 04:08pm PT
I'm a veteran with a combat infantryman's badge (earned in the most lightweight manner imaginable, but that's a story for a different thread), and I absolutely, 100%, support Colin Kap's Constitutionally protected right to peacefully protest any injustice he perceives in our society.

I do not feel in the least bit disrespected by him taking a knee during the national anthem, and nor should anyone else. He is making a gesture to draw attention to something he feels isn't getting the attention it deserves in our society.

The man is clearly exercising his Constitutionally protected right to free political expression. (The highest form of Constitutionally protected expression--or, if you will, the least limited form and clearly the most important, an argument with which the US Supreme Court has always agreed.)

I'm a patriot and I don't like saying the Pledge of Allegiance. The Flag? The Republic? Ah... no. I swore an oath to the Constitution, THAT is a worthy promise, and if I served for any reason at all, it was to defend the Constitution of the United States against its enemies.

"I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America."

And I am well aware that quite a number of flaws were baked into the original document. Fortunately the founders provided for its amendment. It's not perfect, and neither is the country it founded, far from it, but it is the most successful political experiment in world history. So far.

We should be celebrating the fact that we live in a society that allows a man to peacefully protest as his conscience demands. I know I do. THAT is something worth fighting and dying for.

I don't feel that his gesture pushes the limits of good taste, either. He is making an extraordinarily effective and courageous protest at great personal cost. I honor him for it.

Go Raiders.
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Sep 15, 2016 - 09:12pm PT
imo, this belongs here:

Inner City

Trad climber
East Bay
Sep 16, 2016 - 08:58am PT
Great post Greg Crouch! I completely agree.

Go Niners!
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Sep 16, 2016 - 09:09am PT
I could care less about if he stood or sat
It's free country

what I hate is the reactionary losers that get so upset on such a stupid issue

The country has so many other problems, why focus on one football player

Why?
Because they want to punish people they see as non-supportive of their personal views, which is pretty sick
dirtbag

climber
Sep 16, 2016 - 09:12am PT
What Craig said.

Bfd
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Sep 16, 2016 - 09:13am PT
I don't pledge allegiance to any f*#king flag. I won't cross my motherf*#king heart either.

Hey maybe I can warm the bench at Hotel 49er too!

DMT
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Sep 16, 2016 - 09:04pm PT
bluering, speaking as the white parent of an adopted child, huh?

His parents adopted him, as you say, because they wanted a child. Lucky them! It wasn't a white humanitarian mission intended to raise that black child out of savagery and into domesticated white society, but I can understand where that perspective might come from. Even Cragman as a white adoptive parent of a black child says that the poor outcome that his daughter was facing by waiting so long in the orphanage to be adopted until he came along was a symptom of society's racism, not any fault of her own, or any fault of her biological parents.

His loser mother? You think his adoptive white parents wanted him to reject his biological heritage and his biological parents, and instead pay homage to his adoptive white parents? Naw, that's you talking, not them - they have their child's interests at heart, not a defense of their own white privilege.

The idea that I as my child's adoptive parent would instill in her a rejection of her birth heritage and replace it with her worshipping me and the benifience of my white compassion (while median black wealth 150 years after slavery is 1/13 median white wealth), how sick and twisted and an abuse of my white privilege would that be, and how detrimental that would be to her sense of identity, after I received the precious gift of my child partly because our society's racism created the conditions where she needed to be adopted.

Maybe think twice before you adopt a black child. If Kaepernick were my kid, I'd be really proud of him.
slabbo

Trad climber
colo south
Sep 17, 2016 - 02:00pm PT
What is his plan ? just take a knee ? How about maybe actually doing something with the millions he still accepts for this "vile country".


If he really had any balls, he'd donate his game check to something useful.
Darren D.

Social climber
Sep 17, 2016 - 08:35pm PT
Kaepernick doesn't have balls?

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/07/news/companies/colin-kaepernick-donating-money-jersey-nfl/

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/colin-kaepernick-says-hell-donate-1-million-to-charities-that-help-communities-in-need/

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 18, 2016 - 08:16am PT
A million dollars is nothing.

Kaepernick pays better than half of his hundred-million dollar+ salary to The Government - the ones who are supposed to be helping communities in need.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Sep 20, 2016 - 09:24am PT
I'm tired of this bullshit!!!

Good. Because now that high school teams across the country have joined Kapernick in his pledge protest, you're going to be getting a belly full.

DMT
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 20, 2016 - 09:42am PT
If he really had any balls, he'd donate his game check to something useful.

As I pointed out long ago Lebron James has donated $41 MILLION to send 1000 kids to college.

I'd say that's a much bigger percentage of his net worth than's Kaepernick's one mill.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Sep 20, 2016 - 03:26pm PT
Another vet (and Seahawk fan even) for CK.
monolith

climber
state of being
Sep 22, 2016 - 11:29am PT
WTF

climber
Sep 22, 2016 - 12:20pm PT
You don't sit to make a "stand".

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Sep 22, 2016 - 12:23pm PT
You do, sometimes,
In the front of a bus.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Sep 22, 2016 - 12:23pm PT
Another vet for CK.
Captain...or Skully

climber
Boise, ID
Sep 22, 2016 - 12:25pm PT
Make that 2.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Old West Crackramento
Sep 22, 2016 - 02:41pm PT
He must be doing his peaceful protest right, he's really got some white boys' knickers in a bunch. Right on their glowing altars on the holy days of the week too!
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Sep 23, 2016 - 01:52pm PT
Check out this video.
https://www.facebook.com/peggy.hubbard1
JC Marin

Trad climber
CA
Sep 23, 2016 - 08:18pm PT
Hey God bless CK..I have hard enough time gettin by myself. If people judged me by my skin color too, I'm sure I'd absolutely lose it...as far I'm concerned our country is a better place with people of color--so let's please stop shooting them...

As MLK said "we may have come on different ships, but we are in the same boat now" --f*#king A right on.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Sep 23, 2016 - 08:24pm PT
Chaz...good point..!
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Sep 24, 2016 - 07:30am PT
Why in the hell do they play the stupid National Anthem before these games in the first place.

That's the problem, not if you sit or stand.

I don't want to hear it at a game with my beer in my hand, I'm there to get away from the usual BS

but they shove the BS down my throat like a Nazi Youth Camp.

The whole National Anthem routine is just a set up for abuse and condemnation,
remember when Rosanne sang it off key,

Maybe CK can help us get rid of the National farce




Chaz, good point
WTF????

No stupid ass point
A million dollars is not very much???
In what world is that?

He shouldn't have to donate a penny to anything, he should save his money so when he can't play football anymore he has a savings left
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Sep 24, 2016 - 07:37am PT
Why in the hell do they play the stupid National Anthem before these games in the first place.


Good question
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Sep 24, 2016 - 09:30am PT
Craig...Chaz's point that CK is taxed and his taxes should be going towards helping communities ( not the pentagon ) is what i meant...When would you hear the national anthem if it wasn't played at a ball game...?
locker

climber
"STFU n00b!!!"
Sep 24, 2016 - 09:38am PT


"You do, sometimes,
In the front of a bus."
...

Excellent response!!!...

Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Sep 24, 2016 - 09:55am PT
Then I take it back
Good Point Chaz

Pay your Taxes like a Good Patriotic American!
c wilmot

climber
Sep 24, 2016 - 09:59am PT
it would be nice if our incredibly biased media would highlight the fact he is also highly critical of Hillary and the democrats. Instead the media buries his comments about her. Honestly after reading what he had to say I am pretty supportive of his views as our country is messed up in ways that go far beyond political leanings
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Sep 24, 2016 - 11:26am PT
When would you hear the national anthem if it wasn't played at a ball game...?

Holidays, or historically significant events.
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
Sep 24, 2016 - 11:45am PT
I'm feeling like maybe taking a knee. Tired.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Sep 24, 2016 - 12:46pm PT
Why in the hell do they play the stupid National Anthem before these games in the first place.

That's the problem, not if you sit or stand.

I don't want to hear it at a game with my beer in my hand, I'm there to get away from the usual BS

Poor put upon Derf. You've really got that victim schtick down.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Sep 24, 2016 - 09:16pm PT
60,000 people at a football game appreciate the national anthem. And a couple dozen don't. Too bad.

I like hearing various vocalists getting their shot at it. Cranking the intensity for the rockets red glare.

I heard John Legend complain about it and say it's a weak song. And "I should know I'm one of the best at singing it" so I pulled him up on YouTube. Horrible rendition, tons of vibrato making it all about himself instead of any deference to the song. I like a little vibrato when appropriate but not every frickin bar.
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Sep 24, 2016 - 09:31pm PT
60,000 tools and a dozen free thinkers,sounds about right. . .
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Sep 24, 2016 - 09:53pm PT
Silly song, silly patriots...
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Sep 24, 2016 - 11:31pm PT
It must suck to find something to be miserable about everywhere you look.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Sep 25, 2016 - 02:33am PT
60,000 tools?

Standing for our National Anthem is a practice supported by the overwhelming majority.

Suck it up, you whiny bitches.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Sep 25, 2016 - 06:51am PT
60,000 Americans and a dozen condescending as#@&%es.

DMT
rincon

climber
Coarsegold
Sep 25, 2016 - 07:10am PT
More like 60,000 idiots.
photo not found
Missing photo ID#472012
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Sep 25, 2016 - 07:10am PT
when Trump is elected, everyone will stand and salute or be thrown over the wall
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 25, 2016 - 07:13am PT
If the Niners have trouble filling seats in the stadium this year ( they just might, they may be off to a decent start now, but the Niners only get to play the Rams one more time this season ) they should consider starting Kaepernick. A lot of people will buy tickets just to see him get knocked on his ass a few times.

I used to tune in to Bears games just to watch McMahon get knocked on his ass.
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Sep 29, 2016 - 10:33am PT
Looking through some of the media on the subject:

One poll showed a large racial divide, with blacks approving of Kaepernick's protest 72% to 19%, while whites disapproved of his protest by 69% to 23%. No discussion on which group were Americans, and which group were free thinkers or condescending as#@&%es.

Another interesting article where Kaepernick said that his adoptive parents "agree with what I'm standing for," while his adoptive parents declined to comment, saying "It's not in our best interest or Colin's best interest (for us to comment)."

One of the neighbors in the neighborhood where they live said Kaepernick's protest has been met with resounding disapproval by residents in the community.

I'm glad that his adoptive parents have his best interests at heart, but I'm sorry that he had to be raised in a neighborhood that disapproved of him so strongly. But maybe that was better than living in a neighborhood where he would be approved of 72% to 19%, but where his adoptive parents might be disapproved of. You know how Americans can be.

IMHO, when we process the complexity of this stuff using our simplistic heuristic belief processes, we're bound to make a few mistakes.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 29, 2016 - 03:06pm PT
What if you agree with what KC's saying, but you think he can choose a better time and place?

Maybe do something that's not so divisive and potentially counterproductive? Like focusing his efforts on voter registration.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Sep 29, 2016 - 03:42pm PT
It must suck to find something to be miserable about everywhere you look

For black males it sucks to be confronted with something miserable everywhere you turn and be at risk every time you have an interaction with the police.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Sep 29, 2016 - 04:30pm PT
Except they are not at risk "every time" they interact with the police. That's a prejudiced statement. There are plenty of police who are capable and don't treat black people any different. Granted there's plenty to be concerned about, but saying are at risk from every cop only perpetuates prejudice, stereotypes and lack of understanding.

I see a lack of understanding and the other point of view so often from both sides. Some people say "It's the black guys fault, he didn't do what he was supposed to do" and some people say "it's the cop's fault, he shouldn't have used deadly force".

For the majority of these bad situations in the national press lately it seems both the cop and the citizen contributed to the situation. The citizen not doing what they should have (although sometimes they do like it seems with Philando Castile) and the cop over reacting (but if you felt your life was at risk you may too) perhaps due to prejudice or worse.

The black lives matter people should be saying "we are concerned about unequal treatment of black citizens" but they should also be educating people about what to do if approached by police "don't resist arrest, do what the police say". And the other side should be saying "cops need to protect themselves" but also "these high profile deaths of unarmed black people is concerning and we need better training and community outreach". No one wants to admit their side did anything wrong.

Eric Garner is a great example (the guy put in a choke hold getting arrested for allegedly selling cigarettes in NY). He shouldn't have resisted arrest (even if he wasn't doing anything wrong) and the cop shouldn't have put him in a choke hold. But you almost never heard either side admitting that both he and the cops contributed to the situation.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Sep 29, 2016 - 04:34pm PT
Obama's recent comments about Kapernick are spot on IMO:

"I want Mr. Kaepernick and others who are on a knee to listen to the pain that that may cause somebody who, for example, had a spouse or a child who was killed in combat and why it hurts them to see somebody not standing," Obama said. " I also want people to think about the pain he may be expressing about somebody who's lost a loved one that they think was unfairly shot. One of thing I saw about American democracy is that it can be frustrating, but it’s the best system we’ve got.”

“I also always try to remind folks that part of what makes this country special is that we respect people's rights to have a different opinion and to make different decisions on how they want to express their concerns,” he said. “The test of our fidelity to our Constitution, to freedom of speech, to our Bill of Rights, is not when it's easy, but when it's hard. We fight sometimes so that people can do things that we disagree with, but that’s what freedom means in this country.”
dirtbag

climber
Sep 29, 2016 - 04:48pm PT
It always seemed odd to have the star spangled banner played before sporting events. The last few years, baseball games have increasingly played "god bless America" during the 7th inning stretch. What's wrong with the classic "take me out to the ballgame?"

Anyway, having to stand up and sing star spangled banner is basically a somewhat forced public display of patriotism. I stand and do it anyway, but if they stopped playing it altogether I wouldn't miss it. Just one more reason for folks to get their panties bunched up. I'm pretty sure the union won't fall because CK sits it out.
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Sep 30, 2016 - 08:08pm PT
The Department of Defense paid NFL teams more than $5 million over four years to buy moments that honored troops. This includes the Singing of the National Anthem and Honor Guards. It's all just marketing, Stupid Americans. . .paid patriotism. . .
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Sep 30, 2016 - 08:18pm PT
You mean the Department of Pork ?
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Sep 30, 2016 - 08:31pm PT
What if you agree with what KC's saying, but you think he can chose a better time and place?

IMHO, totally reasonable for us to believe that other people can believe and behave in ways that we better approve of.

In the calculus of our human belief formations about what behaviors we approve of in this particular human, 72% of blacks approve of his protest, while only 23% of whites approve of it. But I'm sure there are also other variables involved in the calculus of our beliefs about how this person should behave.

For me, part of my calculus is that it's an expression of our white privilege for a white person to raise a black child in a neighborhood where they're disapproved of by 69%, instead of a neighborhood where they're approved of by 72%, because raising them in an environment where they're approved of might involve a loss of OUR white privilege of enjoying the racially disparate approval of OUR racial brethren. And in the magnanimity of our racial privilege, where 150 years after slavery ended, median white household wealth is still 13 times(!) median black household wealth, we believe that subjecting them to such a "superior" environment is an expression of OUR racial compassion, instead of an expression of our white privilege.

Like an east-side Sierran neighborhood maybe, where it's 85% white and 0% black according to the 2010 census. What a bummer for Kaepernick to be raised in a town like that, that disapproved of him so strongly, however well-meaning we and his adoptive parents believe that we are, and however successfully we're able to hide that disapproval, and couch it in seemingly well-reasoned, but obviously racially disparate, beliefs.

But, we're not all all bad - even Trump says that not ALL Mexican immigrants are rapists and criminals. I'm inclined to believe that you, gentle reader, are one of the good ones.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Sep 30, 2016 - 09:57pm PT
Except they are not at risk "every time" they interact with the police.

Compared to a white person? Every time.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Oct 1, 2016 - 08:21am PT
So you are saying every cop is racist. I don't agree.
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
Oct 1, 2016 - 09:01am PT
He didn't say that. Raise the dialogue and try to understand. And if you really agree with Obama then realize that he's asking for understanding in both direction. If I take a knee it's because false patriots send young men to murder and die for bad reasons and bad thinking.
As you were.



American False Patriots are defined as Pro-US Military, Pro-Militarized Police, and usually as American Muscular Christians ( not the pacifists like their Jesus was.)
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Oct 1, 2016 - 11:56am PT
Okay then explain the claim: Why are black people are more at risk than white people "every time" they interact with police?

Maybe he was trying to say statistically on average they are more at risk, which is true, but to say "every time" they interact is a very different claim.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Oct 1, 2016 - 12:02pm PT
And honestly I had no idea so many people took the National Anthem to have such a militaristic bent. Yes it's lyrics are intertwined with a military fight, but anthems are typically celebrations of a group and in particular a country not the military.

I've always thought of it primarily as a celebration of the USA. I consider myself a citizen of the world first, but I'm also proud and appreciative of my country. It's not perfect. But there is a lot to love and a lot of the ideals of freedom, justice, and equality that are foundational to the USA have since spread across the world.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Oct 1, 2016 - 12:58pm PT
Okay then explain the claim: Why are black people are more at risk than white people "every time" they interact with police?

Every single time a black person interacts with the police it's like playing roulette. It's not a matter of of whether all cops act in a prejudicial manner - it's a matter of never knowing which you're dealing with and every single time a black person gets stopped they're at risk of dealing with a bad cop and their odds in that respect are way, way higher than for a white person.

Checkout the latest: Man sitting on his mother's porch beaten by cops even after showing id with the address of the house.

City council voted unanimously Monday to permanently sanction Officer Travis Cole for using excessive force during the June arrest. The body camera footage shows Cole roughly throwing Dejuan Yourse to the floor of the porch and punching him as Yourse waited for his mom to come home and let him into the house, according to local news WREG.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Oct 10, 2016 - 03:08pm PT
I think it’s dumb and disrespectful. I would have the same answer if you asked me about flag burning.... I think it’s a terrible thing to do, but I wouldn’t lock a person up for doing it. I would point out how ridiculous it seems to me to do such an act.

If they want to be stupid, there’s no law that should be preventive. If they want to be arrogant, there’s no law that prevents them from that... What I would do is strongly take issue with the point of view that they are expressing when they do that.

Morons!
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Oct 16, 2016 - 10:09am PT
Well Colin gets his first start of the year for the 1-4 Niners against the Bills 3-2.

Go Niners!
Go Cubs!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 16, 2016 - 03:08pm PT
13 outta 29 for 187 yds
That didn't go too well, did it? I know, he's distracted.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 8, 2016 - 07:00pm PT
Seems like a chickenshit move to be all socially conscious and everything - and then not vote.

http://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/No-vote-49ers-Kaepernick-won-t-choose-10601840.php

Sitting out the election too.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 8, 2016 - 09:55pm PT
Welk, that's the way he reads defenses, too.

"Phuk, I dunno, I better run it."
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Nov 27, 2016 - 05:54pm PT
Wow! 3 touchdown passes and ran for 113 yards!

"That guy sucks" says your affect heuristic. Fair enough.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 27, 2016 - 08:43pm PT
He had a decent game but he got picked and they lost. When yer QB is yer leading rusher yer gonna lose more often than not in this league. That's why the Seahawks suck now too.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Nov 28, 2016 - 06:31am PT
His nickname should be "Almost"
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Mar 21, 2017 - 05:46pm PT
Hired by silicon valley 49ers did he ever win a game? Dude cost the NFL millions in lost viewer revenues and now he can't buy a job. What a f*#king idiot.

DMT
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Mar 21, 2017 - 06:01pm PT
LOL
DMT talkin football? Thought you hated the game. ;)
He played in 11 games (taking a knee) last year and won 1 game.
His best seasons were before he took a knee in 12,13 and 2014.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Mar 21, 2017 - 07:24pm PT
I admire the guy...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/colin-kaepernick-donald-trump_us_58d185f0e4b0ec9d29e022ed?gml7qghd7xwhwu3di&


Go Colin.


F*#k the NFL DMT.

He when high, you when low.


T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Mar 21, 2017 - 07:37pm PT
He has said he plans to stand during the national anthem next season should he get signed. 

Well good for him,
and his (tax write off) donations to charities as well.
Go Colin Go, anywhere but the 49ers.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 21, 2017 - 07:54pm PT
Trump the Soviet sell out nit-picking Kapernick for not standing for the national anthem...? What a tool...
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Mar 21, 2017 - 08:21pm PT
Colin Crapernick is a moron.

BTW Johnny, I'll ask you since you just mentioned Trump and the Ruskies. What possible advantage would the Russians have in favoring Trump over a Russian patsie like Hillary? Nobody has explained that to me yet.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Mar 21, 2017 - 08:27pm PT
Really?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Mar 21, 2017 - 08:35pm PT
"Colin Crapernick is a moron."


Backwoods flag wavers crack me up.


rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 21, 2017 - 08:45pm PT
Jody... Trump plans on starting an NFL expansion team in Moscow ( not Idaho)... Crappernick will stand for the Russian national anthem and Trump will take a knee ( in front of Putin )...
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Mar 21, 2017 - 08:50pm PT
Really?

Yes, really. The Demoncrats have been pushovers for the Russians for as long as I can remember. Why would the Russians prefer Trump over a pacifist patsy like Hillary? What is in it for them?
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Mar 21, 2017 - 09:16pm PT
F*#k the NFL DMT.

He when high, you when low.

He sure did. Lol.

DMT
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Mar 21, 2017 - 09:33pm PT
What possible advantage would the Russians have in favoring Trump over a Russian patsie like Hillary? Nobody has explained that to me yet.

You continue to overwhelm us.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Mar 21, 2017 - 09:34pm PT
And I continue to wait for an answer.


Demoncrats are hypocrites. More of them met with the Russian ambassador than did anybody. And some of those same people who met with the ambassador are demonizing Republicans for doing it.

Give me a break, this is all part of a last ditch effort of Obummer and friends to save the Demoncratic Party. Instead, it will backfire and sink them.

Still waiting for an answer to my question.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 21, 2017 - 10:10pm PT
Obama implicitly encouraged the Ukrainians to fight back against Putin and
got sucker punched. Putin owned Obama over the Ukraine, the Crimea, and
Syria. If you think otherwise yer on Datura.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Mar 21, 2017 - 11:24pm PT
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Mar 22, 2017 - 06:31am PT
Good dude.

Meals on Wheels has confirmed a $50,000 donation from former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick.

The group that provides food for seniors in need thanked Kaepernick for his donation on Tuesday. It came a day after President Donald Trump took a swipe Kaepernick during a campaign-style rally in Kentucky by taking credit for the lack of suitors for the free agent. Kaepernick's refusal to stand for the "Star Spangled Banner" ahead of 49ers games last season as a protest of police treatment of minorities became a topic of national debate.

Meals on Wheels faces a sharp funding cut under Trump's proposed budget.

Kaepernick is also promoting a campaign to raise millions of dollars for drought relief in Somalia.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Mar 22, 2017 - 06:45am PT
Putin owned Obama over the Ukraine, the Crimea, and
Syria.

Sure, Ukrainians and Syrians are going to be so much better off with Trump as president. Donnie will own Putey
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Mar 22, 2017 - 07:14am PT
Reilly, worked out well for those folks, didn't it? Probably the most inept display of foreign policy I have seen.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 22, 2017 - 07:29am PT
If trump et al did nothing wrong with respect to Russia, then why do he and his men lie about it incessantly, even under oath? And why is the FBI investigating? As you might recall, trump sure made hay of the fbi's investigation of Hillary. The truth is, we just don't know much yet, but maybe it's because of actions like this:


https://www.apnews.com/122ae0b5848345faa88108a03de40c5a/Manafort's-plan-to-'greatly-benefit-the-Putin-Government?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP
monolith

climber
state of being
Mar 22, 2017 - 07:45am PT
Obummer tricked the Ukrainians into defending their own country?

Dang you find the stupidest stuff on da interwebs.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Mar 22, 2017 - 07:55am PT
Hillary and the Democrats met with the Russians as much if not more than the Repug's did.
GuapoVino

climber
Mar 22, 2017 - 08:00am PT

Aug 30, 2016 - 01:01pm PT

WBraun wrote:

Just cheap lip service sitting down ....

After all the men and women who sacrificed their lives for our freedoms in wars and peace to make this country so great.

It's an insult and disrespect to all those regardless how the politard loons think.

One should stand with respect and use a different medium to voice their concerns ......


Does that also apply to Nate Boyer? He's the one that told Kaepernick that the most respectful way to protest was to take a knee.
monolith

climber
state of being
Mar 22, 2017 - 08:02am PT
Trumps former campaign manager Mannafort had signed $10M/year contract to help the Russians. And Jody still wonders why Putin would prefer Trump over Clinton?
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Mar 22, 2017 - 08:05am PT
this fear mongering over the russians is nostalgia inducing. but not a lot else.



let's recap what's happened in the last 30 years:

 the ruskies attempt at an alternative global system of distribution and direct competitor to globalized capitalism fails.
 the russian vacuum is filled with black and grey market folks who are quite happy with the current global arrangement where, as but one recent example, apple can sell $4 buhbuhbuhbillion dollars worth of electronics and over priced cases in new zealand alone, and pay $zuhzuhzuhzero in local taxes.
 dudes like deripaska want some influence, like all of the rest of the big money players have, and so pays $10 million to "insiders" like manafort.
 manafort fUcks deripaska out of $17 million dollars that he was supposed to invest.
 "somehow" the a.p. ends up with key documents explaining the relationship between deripaska and manafort.



come on.

this, in all likelihood, is a story as old as capitalism itself. rather than kill a guy that's fUcked you, you attempt to publically castrate him.



hilarious [or sad depending on the cynicism level of the moment] is that parallel to the righties who think the results of the often parasatic and objectively unfair distribution model is due to too much government [rather than the current globalized synthesis of economic/political arrangements], the lefties are quick to fall back to a nostalgic xenophobia... rather than look at the left's hand in creating the current conundrums that we now face.



only difference between the russians and the apples of the world, at this point, is that the new/old foxes have a few things to learn from the old/new foxes already in the henhouse.

russians are as much a threat to the system as a whole as apple is.

they just want their proportional piece of the political influence pie...

just like everyone else.



and the lefties say: how high?
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Mar 22, 2017 - 08:23am PT
Trumps former campaign manager Mannafort had signed $10M/year contract to help the Russians.

In 2006...and Trump DID fire him.
monolith

climber
state of being
Mar 22, 2017 - 08:32am PT
In 2006 and lasting years. Funny how Jody tries to minimise this.

Mannafort resigned after his ties to the Russians became a public liability. Mannafort's associates have been seen inside the Whitehouse. He still has considerable influence.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 22, 2017 - 10:09am PT
If it was harmless, why keep lying about it?
Moof

Big Wall climber
Orygun
Mar 22, 2017 - 11:30am PT
Hillary and the Democrats met with the Russians as much if not more than the Repug's did.
Big difference between official visits that the public knows about (hence the photos, news stories, etc) and visits that were not public and were subsequently denied or lied about. Jeff Sessions hung himself by volunteering false testimony about never meeting with the Russians when that was not even what he was being asked about.

We expect our public officials to meet and work with foreign governments, I would get upset if they shirked their responsibility and failed to hold meetings with both allies and enemies. I don't expect folks like Flynn to secretly talk with foreign ambassadors to undermine the current foriegn policy before the new POTUS is sworn in, as that gets to be pretty treasonous really quick.

The lies and cover-up are a crime and betrayal all their own. If the repug's were rabid to impeach over lies about a hummer, they should be frothing at the mouth over this much more substantive festering pile of lies and betrayal.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Mar 22, 2017 - 12:06pm PT
Give it a rest. Something nefarious can be made of anything, particularly in our hyper-partisan era.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-tells-medvedev-solution-on-missile-defense-is-unlikely-before-elections/2012/03/26/gIQASoblbS_story.html?utm_term=.18a336914e95

Everything comes down to interpretation, and interpretation is driven by partisanship and agenda.

The sky is not falling.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Mar 22, 2017 - 12:08pm PT
It will once we finally learn the truth about Hillary's e-mails. Heard her quinoa salad recipe was lifted from Putin. "Wire tapped" his microwave.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Mar 22, 2017 - 12:28pm PT
Heard her quinoa salad recipe was lifted from Putin.

Nah. A better thing to look at would be her "relationship" that motivated her to give away uranium to Russia. Even the left-leaning NYT found the tit-for-tat questionable.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0

But, as I said, you can find "questions" everywhere you look, if you're so motivated.
locker

climber
Mar 22, 2017 - 12:41pm PT


...
dirtbag

climber
Mar 22, 2017 - 01:03pm PT
Ah yes, the Clinton foundation, where money nefariously went to charitable causes.

What charitable causes did manafort give his $10 million to?

Why do all of them--especially trump--keep lying incessantly?
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Mar 22, 2017 - 01:12pm PT
Jody,
The idea as to why a an evil self interested Oligarch, who is owned by Russian entanglements
and so has been used to destroy a working democracy, ( as opposed to a women patriot?)
the Trumpster is the tool ,it is the - On going war- that we have lost!

You can not be as stupid as you claim to be.
Putin's ability to destabilize our government (by the use of tools), is well documented.

WBraun

climber
Mar 22, 2017 - 01:21pm PT
You stoopid Americans destabilized your own govt. not Putin.

You stoopid Americans are as stoopid as Trump or even more so and drink too much kool aid and do too many drugs.

That's why you deserve an idiot like Trump because you're as dumb or dumber than him .....
divad

Trad climber
wmass
Mar 22, 2017 - 01:30pm PT
I think the duck nailed it...
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Mar 22, 2017 - 01:31pm PT
From the outer reaches of the solar system the ignorance streams...
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Mar 22, 2017 - 01:38pm PT
Werner's right,
only stoopid Americans can turn a thread about a football player that refuses to stand for the anthem into a Trump thread.

Stoopid clueless politard crankloons all of us. :)

Credit: T Hocking



rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Mar 22, 2017 - 02:03pm PT
He played in 11 games (taking a knee) last year and won 1 game.
His best seasons were before he took a knee in 12,13, and 2014.

Let's see, if I plug the relevant numbers into my computer and do the math, the result I get is that he sucks as a football player and his suckiness is correlated with his kneeling! I just do the math on the numbers that survive through my information screening processes.

It just might be that our processors are infected with the affect bias virus? Nah, we're just omniscient omnipotent computers of truth.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Mar 22, 2017 - 02:08pm PT
Colin Crapernick is a moron.
Sure, Trump spends months on the campaign trail saying how sorry American is, our military sucks, no one respects us, and buffoons like Jody lap it up with a spoon and put him in the White House. Kaepernick refuses to stand for the Anthem to protest an issue and he earns Jody's derision.

I disagreed with him not standing. He was also dead wrong when he commented during the first debate that Trump and Clinton were just arguing over who was less racist (stupid comment and probably inspired a few people not to vote--look how well that worked out). Still, I have nothing but praise for him for his donation. Well done sir.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 22, 2017 - 06:05pm PT
Trump is a moran...Trumpty dumpty sat on a wall...Trumpty dumpty took a big fall...Dumped the bitch on the next corner...
dirtbag

climber
Sep 28, 2017 - 03:39pm PT
Kaepernick gets a boost thanks to the orange narcissist.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Sep 28, 2017 - 03:47pm PT
According to tRump, people protesting racial injustice are unpatriotic.

All hail tWitler.
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 28, 2017 - 05:49pm PT


"no better way to enslave a man than to give him the vote and call him free"



rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Sep 28, 2017 - 05:58pm PT
Make soccer great again!

If you say so Donnie boy.

Works for me.
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
Sep 28, 2017 - 06:06pm PT
First Things First host Nick Wright does a great job explaining how this protest has been spun to be about the anthem.[youtube=https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/28/16378846/nfl-protests-trump-nick-wright]
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Sep 29, 2017 - 08:25am PT
Ain't it great how all the white folk get so, uppity, when a Black Man with money speaks out against racism...df

Edit, See what I mean? Classic case, loser. . .ha! Loser deleted, can't even stand behind his words. . .
EdBannister

Mountain climber
13,000 feet
Sep 29, 2017 - 08:51am PT
Hmmm, how many of you think the workplace is the place to protest? The NFL turned down the request to honor fallen police officers in Texas, because it was political, why is this ok when that was not? oh wait, not a level playing field?


The Duck nailed it.. true.. and when he spells incorrectly it is on purpose.

and Mr. Bear, to a leftist results do not count, only accusations...

just a few fun facts:

Black population at the start and finish of Obama's 2 terms.
Lower rate of home ownership.
Lower employment rate.
Lower net worth.

and, if you check lifestyle among black population, where it is the worst i.e. black on black murder, unemployment, etc. those are all cities run by the left, for the last 50 years.. but no dots connected.

meanwhile i no longer watch or listen, to the NFL.. i do not work for an organization the hires felons, or Michael Vick after conviction, or endorses disrespect for the country.. yes still imperfect. yes prosecute convict, and i say execute any cop who kills anyone who is not a threat. but an unarmed black man is more likely to be hit by lightning, by a factor of two, than he is to be killed by a cop.

For those who require no documentation when it is an accusation of collusion, 300 people per year are killed in the USA by lightning strikes. Black population is ten percent so the likelihood is about 30 black victims. 2014 is the most recent FBI statistic year available, 16 unarmed blacks were killed by police, including those who posed a threat. So if you are black, you are twice as likely to be struck by lightning and killed, as you are to be killed by a cop when you have no weapon. all round numbers mind you, no 23.7 with implied accuracy of plus or minus one half of 1%.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Sep 29, 2017 - 10:06am PT
So Ed, you're saying that African Americans should [edit: not] be concerned about being murdered by a police officer during a routine traffic stop because it's more likely statistically that they'll be killed by lightening?

Also, remember the old Shakespeare quote, "the devil can quote Scripture for his purpose"?, any Republican can find a soundbite from an African American and rely on that as the left's failure to improve the lot of African Americans. That doesn't eliminate the reality that the right not only failed, but failed to even attempt to improve black communities. Also, the economics references by Ed are likely true as to all Americans. Home ownership has slipped out of reach for all Americans. Wages have lowered for all Americans, etc., etc. Convenient how Ed failed to apply those statistics to the other 87% of the population.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Sep 29, 2017 - 07:34pm PT
Ed Bannister...Repubs want more over-population for cheap labor to appease their corporate owners...The Repubs are the ones cutting planned parenthood and sex education acting all holy and spiritual....The pious Repubs are the ones telling the poor to f*#k off when they need help eating and paying rent ... In my book Ryan and McConnell and any of the other hypocrite millionaire republicans that use Jesus as a calling card should be prosecuted for fraud and imprisoned...
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Oct 4, 2017 - 05:14pm PT
Well I watched the Anthems for both MLB wildcard games and no one on either team sat or kneeled in protest, what gives?

Is MLB classier than the NFL?

Does MLB have a code of conduct rule that prohibits acts of protest that
the NFL does not?

What gives,
discuss...
frostback

Social climber
great white north
Oct 4, 2017 - 05:50pm PT
Great to see the sycophants of donald have joined in 22 feet from stardom to defend the tweats of last week. No doubt these same sirens of solipsism would have been on the front lines of John Rockefeller's ludlow massacre shrieking about how politics, ie unionism, did not belong in the workplace.
The duck is right, punters the lot of yea....
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Oct 4, 2017 - 06:10pm PT
Ed Bannister...Repubs want more over-population for cheap labor to appease their corporate owners...The Repubs are the ones cutting planned parenthood and sex education acting all holy and spiritual....The pious Repubs are the ones telling the poor to f*#k off when they need help eating and paying rent ... In my book Ryan and McConnell and any of the other hypocrite millionaire republicans that use Jesus as a calling card should be prosecuted for fraud and imprisoned...


Well said rj.


Well I watched the Anthems for both MLB wildcard games and no one on either team sat or kneeled in protest, what gives?

Is MLB classier than the NFL?

Thought you were better than this, Tad.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Oct 4, 2017 - 06:58pm PT
^^^
Sorry to disappoint you 10b.

Personally I believe,
showing respect for the flag and anthem should be based on the freedoms and rights we enjoy as citizens that our forefathers fought, defended and died for.
Not a platform for protesting the many problems we have in our society.

Just my opinion and I'm sticking to it,
I appreciate and understand yours.

Peace!
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Oct 4, 2017 - 09:30pm PT
I'm reminded of the old saying, "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel". Justice Brennan, when discussing a flag burning case said that while one should respect the flag, he wouldn't wrap himself in it. People didn't die for the flag or the anthem. They died for what they stand for. If an African American rightfully wonders whether he or she will survive a routine traffic stop by a white cop, you have to wonder what the flag represents to them.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Oct 4, 2017 - 10:08pm PT
They died for what they stand for.

And that is why I stand,
to recognize the sacrifice they made.

ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
Oct 5, 2017 - 08:11am PT
Half the people at pro games are buying beer or pissing in a urinal during the anthem. Why is that ok but taking a knee to make an actual point is wrong? I don't care either way, It's just a song and a piece of fabric. The creepy jingoism and fake patriotism associated with it is weird-- I'd sit through it if I didn't think some cretin would beat me up.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Oct 5, 2017 - 08:15am PT
Did Kapernick ever get a job?

DMT
Mike Honcho

Trad climber
Glenwood Springs, CO
Oct 5, 2017 - 08:38am PT
Did Kapernick ever get a job?

Nope, he's fully unemployed right now. Look folks, all this is about ratings, which have been and are down with the NFL. You can go on and on about patriotism and all that but the reason Kapernick is unemployed is because of how unpopular with fans he is.

Ratings are down, he's unemployed. It does seem like he's the fall guy for all this though. He's a way better quarterback than many starters right now.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Oct 5, 2017 - 10:19am PT
And that is why I stand,
to recognize the sacrifice they made.
Tad, I totally respect your decision. I stand (and sing along) when they play the Anthem at the Hollywood Bowl. You gotta do what works for you. However, I also agree ontheedge that many others (including those probably criticizing Kaepernick) are equally, if not more, disrespectful. In Kansas City, they scream 'home of the..."Chiefs!" instead of "brave". People run to the head or buy snacks, talk, etc., etc. Lots of disrespect to go around. Not that Kaepernick is even disrespecting the Anthem. He's just using it to make a conscious statement.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Oct 5, 2017 - 11:21am PT
Maybe Kapernic can get a gig doing nude photos of NFL stars pretending to play football, make em all artsy and sh#t. It may not pay him much but it will do wonders for his sanctimony.

DMT
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Nov 2, 2017 - 04:05pm PT
Ratings down and advertiser's pulling ads due to the protests.

One example: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2741923-papa-johns-pulls-nfl-associated-ads-citing-negative-consumer-sentiment

Crapernick's whole premise, that black men are routinely killed by police for no reason is flawed and just not true. In 2016, 16 unarmed black men were killed by police and the year before, 36(According to the Washington Post). This includes justified killings of unarmed suspects. Some of these shootings were by black officers.

Not exactly an epidemic...hope to see you on a street corner dancing with a pizza sign soon Colin. Nice career move...
xCon

Social climber
909
Nov 2, 2017 - 04:53pm PT
ratings were down long before kaepernick
and we already knew to avoid papa johns

is there a list of these other companies courting the racist consumer?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Nov 2, 2017 - 04:56pm PT
DMT... Nude NFL stars... ? That's pretty f*#ked up sh#t dude...! Film them playing in womens' lingerie...
dirtbag

climber
Nov 2, 2017 - 04:57pm PT
Yes, the Trump Organization.
sween345

climber
back east
Nov 2, 2017 - 06:37pm PT



Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Nov 2, 2017 - 06:39pm PT
DMT... Nude NFL stars... ? That's pretty f*#ked up sh#t dude...! Film them playing in womens' lingerie...

Its got calendar written all over it.

DMT
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Nov 2, 2017 - 08:00pm PT
Peaceful, non-violent protest is always ok. Glad he is allowed to have and make known his opinion.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Nov 2, 2017 - 08:43pm PT
Atchafalaya, if you went into a restaurant and ordered something and before they would give it to you you had to listen to the person give you their political gripes for 3 minutes, would that be okay?
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Nov 2, 2017 - 08:49pm PT
Peaceful, non-violent protest is always ok. Glad he is allowed to have and make known his opinion.

And I am glad to make my opinion known by not watching the NFL and I am glad he doesn't have a job in the NFL. Just wish they would fire all those other protestor's though.
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Nov 2, 2017 - 09:18pm PT
"And I am glad to make my opinion known by not watching the NFL"

I support your peaceful, non-violent protest, too.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Nov 2, 2017 - 09:25pm PT
This includes justified killings of unarmed suspects.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Nov 3, 2017 - 07:01am PT
10b, your point? Have you ever done police work? Do you know that if someone pulls a replica gun out or an unloaded gun and gets shot they are considered unarmed? If a cop is ordering a violent suspect to keep his hands where he can see them and the suspect reaches inside his jacket and gets shot, and he doesn't have a gun, it is considered unarmed.

You are so clueless I don't know why I even respond to your mindless drivel.

You don't think ANY shooting of an "unarmed" suspect is justified. That shows how ridiculously simple minded you are.

All of that notwithstanding, there is NO epidemic of cop misconduct that Crapernick is claiming.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Nov 3, 2017 - 07:30am PT
This is worth a read.

https://www.snopes.com/do-police-kill-more-whites-than-black-people/

More whites than blacks are killed by police, while the blacks have a higher possibility of being killed. While race can certainly play a part in this--some folks are violent racists--there's also no doubt that African-Americans are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violent crime, which would place them in harms way more frequently. Also, African-Americans tend to live in more dangerous neighborhoods, too. And, of course, they are WAY, WAY, WAY more likely to be killed by a brother in the hood than any cop, white or black. So, yeah, some cops shouldn't be cops, and ALL cops must be held to the highest standard, but Kaepernick's protest kind of misses the target if we really want to save black lives.

BAd
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Nov 3, 2017 - 07:47am PT
whites kill more whites than people of color do.

the ultimate white privilege is to grouse about a black guy exercising constitutional rights while a white supremacist gleefully shits all over the Constitution and the American people.

Ladies and Gentlemen, The Supremacists...
Ladies and Gentlemen, The Supremacists...
Credit: Wade Icey

Credit: Wade Icey
xCon

Social climber
909
Nov 3, 2017 - 08:45am PT
"there's also no doubt that African-Americans are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violent crime"


where would one find substantiation of this bad?
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Nov 3, 2017 - 08:49am PT
@xCon: I'm actually off for some climbing right now--astonishing, eh? But I can look it up later. A little basic googling will find this to be true, however. I don't know about absolute numbers, but the key here is "disproportionate." I'm happy to be found wrong.

Okay, 30 seconds of wk. turned up this. Lots more out there. See the table. As I suspected, whites do more--in total because more whites--but as African Americans are a much smaller group, they are found to commit a disproportionate amount of the crime:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/02/sally-kohn/sally-kohn-white-men-69-percent-arrested-violent/


BAd
xCon

Social climber
909
Nov 3, 2017 - 09:23am PT
looks like black are treat to injustice at the hands of police FAR more often than whites

leading them to call to cops far less often

making them an easier target for all manner of crime...
kingtut

climber
Bolting Fiend
Nov 3, 2017 - 10:57am PT
The data is essentially meaningless when corrected for socio-economic factors.

Poverty is one constant and correlated factor when it comes to violent crime and a far higher percentage of Black Americans live in poverty than White Americans.

You either understand that a high percentage of Black Americans live in poverty because of systemic racism (they are not climbing out of poverty at the rates other Americans do) or you are a racist and think it is inherent that many are stuck in poverty generation after generation.

All of the links have a racist lense in their foundation (looking at the race of the perpetrator) and ignore poverty as a major unifying factor.

When you look at socio-economic class, you see the same behavior in any group of Americans, only some are also victims of systemic racism.

Irish gangs and Italian and Russian gangs are real...only they get to pass as white and some can escape into White Bread America.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 3, 2017 - 11:46am PT
Asians have a long history of discrimination and systematic racism in this country as well, yet Asians score extremely low on the poverty/violent crime scale.

Why the blacks? 4% of the population being responsible for half the U.S. murders is more than systematic racism.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Nov 3, 2017 - 02:11pm PT
All I am saying is that Crapernick is a moron for picking this issue to screw up his career over. It is not an epidemic. Yes, there ight have been a couple of unjustified shootings of blacks, but an epidemic? Just one is wrong and needs to be dealt with, but to say the country has a problem in this area is just stooped.
kingtut

climber
Bolting Fiend
Nov 3, 2017 - 02:38pm PT
Why the blacks? 4% of the population being responsible for half the U.S. murders is more than systematic racism.


No, my friend (btw "the Blacks" is a racist slur) it is systemic racism. That you "suggest it is something else" is profoundly racist.

Fundamentally, Asian immigrants are a more educated middle class immigrant before voluntarily immigrating to the USA looking for opportunity. They are able to create middle class "Chinatowns or Japantowns" with relative ease due to already being educated and accomplished before ever coming here (I generalize). Then their barriers are less, by far.

African Americans conversely were brought to America by force and are denied equal opportunity in education profoundly to this day, unless their family makes it out of poverty. They still get pulled over for "driving while black" in their own middle to upper class neighborhoods...

If you think predominantly African American K-12 public education is to the same standard for white and black Americans then I cannot help your ignorance. I give you Oakland High School and Amador Valley High School in Alameda County...one is Hell, the other is a Country Club maybe 20 miles apart but a world away.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 3, 2017 - 02:41pm PT
How come African American crime is higher now than it was during the days of The Great Depression, when poverty was worse and racism was institutionalized?

4% of the population being responsible for half of the U.S. murders is shameful. Making excuses for it is also shameful.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 3, 2017 - 02:41pm PT
Y’all are beating on this poor topic harder than NFL defenses beat on poor Colin!
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Nov 3, 2017 - 02:55pm PT
^^^
LOL
kingtut

climber
Bolting Fiend
Nov 3, 2017 - 03:31pm PT
How come African American crime is higher now than it was during the days of The Great Depression, when poverty was worse and racism was institutionalized?

Ask the NRA about the ready availability of guns and Drug Violence...very similar to the violence fueled by Prohibition and the money made by organized crime during that time. And very sure the WASP establishment thought the murders being committed by a small portion of Americans was the fault of "those animals" the Italian immigrants...while taking the bribes.

Might have something to do with Crack Cocaine and racism's role in bringing cocaine and heroin into the USA and making it available in inner city America? Air America ring a bell?

Other than that, stop being a shameful racist.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 3, 2017 - 04:19pm PT
You have no answer to my simple question. Everyone does drugs. That can't be the reason.
kingtut

climber
Bolting Fiend
Nov 3, 2017 - 04:29pm PT
I just posted the answer and you are too stupid and racist to realize it.

Its called gang wars in the inner city, just like during alcohol prohibition when those dirty Italians were responsible for a disproportionate amount of murders for their "race".

Capiche?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 3, 2017 - 04:32pm PT
There was never a time when young Italian men were responsible for half of the murders in this country.

Try again!
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Nov 3, 2017 - 04:35pm PT
How come African American crime is higher now than it was during the days of The Great Depression, when poverty was worse and racism was institutionalized?

Chaz.... that has a simple answer. But some people on this web site will hate me even more for saying this.

Back in the good old Great Depression, most people lived in a family unit.... Mom, Dad, Kids....

LBJ's Great Society is at the root of it...It is the lack of Family.


In order to get the welfare for a "Family" you couldn't have DAD around and get benefits.-- so the Dad was sent away.

If one is raised in a household with no Dad... the crime rate of the kids is higher.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jun/23/barack-obama/statistics-dont-lie-in-this-case/
kingtut

climber
Bolting Fiend
Nov 3, 2017 - 04:54pm PT
There was never a time when young Italian men were responsible for half of the murders in this country.

Try again!


"The homicide rate increased to 10 per 100,000 population during the 1920s, a 78 percent increase over the pre-Prohibition period."

How hard was that?

Trash Racist. I ain't gonna sugar coat it for your like.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Nov 3, 2017 - 05:47pm PT
What was the original topic?





















oh yeah, Kaepernick.


rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Nov 3, 2017 - 07:33pm PT
Jody.. Admit it...You'd like to see Kapernick in a thong , taking a snap...
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 3, 2017 - 08:02pm PT
btw "the Blacks" is a racist slur

Certainly not. Non-blacks did not originate the term. It is not used as an epithet or a put-down. It is, perhaps, antiquated. perhaps "caucasian" is, as well.

Black is not a race, it is a color. There are many people who are black, but are not African-Americans. Sub-Saharan Africans, for one.

There are also blacks, who genetically are not africans, such as many Ethiopians.
GLillegard

climber
Nov 3, 2017 - 09:03pm PT
"In 2016, 69.6 percent of all individuals arrested were White, 26.9 percent were Black or African American, and 3.6 percent were of other races."

The 2016 FBI Crime statistics can be browsed to observe how Crime statistics by "Race" are described.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

In the 2016 US Census estimate of 323,127,513 White comprised 61.3 % and Black or African American comprised 13.3 %

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045216

"Black" is a common description of Race used in Government statistics.

T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Nov 4, 2017 - 07:36am PT
It's money that matters.
Colin's in the twilight of his career anyway so why not sue the owners for collusion.
He also qualifies for the NFL's pension plan when he turns 55.

Average NFL career length
According to the NFL Players Association the average career length is about 3.3 years. The NFL claims that the average career is about 6 years (for players who make a club's opening day roster in their rookie season).

"The average annual pension benefit in 2014 was about $43,000, according to the Society of Actuaries analysis of NFL filings submitted to the Labor Department. The NFL paid out $181 million in retiree payments for the year ended March 31, 2015.
Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning, based on his current 18 years of experience, would receive an annual pension of $107,040, according to a Society of Actuaries estimate of NFL contractual data. That compares with the pension check of a three-year player of $21,360."

http://www.nfl.com/player/colinkaepernick/2495186/careerstats
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 4, 2017 - 08:50am PT
^^^^ Wow, Payton shoulda joined the Teamsters!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Nov 4, 2017 - 02:04pm PT
The Omaha Teamsters...?
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Nov 5, 2017 - 09:46am PT
I have an idea that will help these protestors cooperate and not get shot by police...have the police replace their sirens with the national anthem.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 5, 2017 - 10:04am PT
That just might be crazy enough to work.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Nov 20, 2017 - 09:32am PT
NFL Free Speech?
NFL Free Speech?
Credit: Jody

Excellent letter to the editor!
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Nov 20, 2017 - 11:54am PT
Wow.... if I was the coach of the Buffalo Bills, I would want to have Colin on my team as at least the 3rd string, he could't do worse than 5 INT in a half.

But he does want a lot of $$$ ... but heck he is at least as good as 50% of the Qb's in the NFL.
monolith

climber
state of being
Nov 20, 2017 - 12:13pm PT
China’s patriotic crackdown: three years in jail for ‘disrespecting’ national anthem

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/04/china-disrespect-national-anthem-criminal-offence-xi-jinping

Let's be more like China, but we can do it the American Way and have the corporations (ie NFL) enforce patriotism instead of the government.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 20, 2017 - 12:38pm PT
How is it the U.S. leads the world in prison stats if you can do hard time in China for something that's not even a crime here?
xCon

Social climber
909
Nov 20, 2017 - 12:45pm PT
they don't tolerate a school to prison pipe-line...


https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/diversity_pipeline/stp_preliminary_report_final.authcheckdam.pdf
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Dec 4, 2017 - 09:06am PT
Even though I disagree with the way he staged his protest,
I appreciate his effort to publicize the issue.
Congrats Colin.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/colin-kaepernick-honored-by-aclu-with-advocacy-award/ar-BBGd1tj?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
locker

climber
Dec 4, 2017 - 09:19am PT



If this forum were JUST "Climbers"...

it would TRULY be...

a "CLIMBERS" forum...


But noooooooooooo...

This forum NEEDS non climbers like officer BIGOT to get on these threads and tell the world how BLACKS are the biggest problem America has...

Kaepernick in particular...

He poses a much larger threat than CHUMP...

His threat is one that reminds Americans that we have the RIGHT to peaceful protest...

and GUD forbid the IDIOTS remember that one...




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