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apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 15, 2016 - 11:47am PT
bluering think's he's a Christian, too.

What is it with these guys?
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 15, 2016 - 11:59am PT
So the officer was wearing a body cam.

According to Chief Flynn, who reviewed video from the body camera of the officer who shot Smith, the chain of events that led to the shooting occurred during a period of just 20 to 25 seconds. It began when Smith, who had been pulled over in a traffic stop, started running away. The officer (whose name is being withheld due to concerns for his safety) chased Smith on foot.

Very soon after the chase began, the officer encountered Smith in a fenced yard. Smith was armed. According to Chief Flynn, “[Smith] did turn toward the officer with the firearm in his hand.” The gun “was in [Smith’s] hand; he was raising up with it.” The officer had told Smith to drop the gun.


Since this video will be reviewed by many others, probably including a judge, various lawyers and possibly a grand jury there is no way the Chief would falsify his report. The kid, for whatever reason, was raising his gun to shoot at the cop. That never ends well.

WyoRockMan

climber
Grizzlyville, WY
Aug 15, 2016 - 12:47pm PT
Locker,

That dude steal your down-tee?

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 15, 2016 - 03:09pm PT
Ken M writes:

"Unless you are telling us that he KNEW what that guy's record was..."



Maybe the cop did. Knowing who's who in the community is what's known as Community Based Policing. It's the smart way to do things.

But that is not what the police said, when they released this information. WHAT A HUGE OMISSION!

How could they have FORGOTTEN that little detail?

Or maybe they told the truth, attempting to smear the guy.

But I am 100% certain that you did not know beforehand, and there has not been a full investigation, but you went ahead and put out slanderous information, nonetheless.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Aug 15, 2016 - 03:11pm PT
So, what is a "Christian" supposed to do, sit around and let idiots run roughshod over them?


'Turn the other cheek' comes to mind.


as well as 'judge ye not.' and 'thou shalt not kill.'
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 15, 2016 - 03:12pm PT
Not only was he armed, he had the cop outgunned.

Oh, there is another law violation that is worthy of execution. "Outgunning a cop" pc 435.72

Of course, we know that blacks are not protected by the 2nd amendment.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 15, 2016 - 03:21pm PT
Tell me Curt, how do you justify calling it an "execution" when the guy was armed? NOBODY can call THAT a smart statement...except you and your fellow idiots.

Here's how you do it:

[Click to View YouTube Video]
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 15, 2016 - 03:22pm PT
"You guys"? Which one of those guys am I, man?

I don't see you making knee jerk statements, so you would not fall under "You guys"
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 15, 2016 - 03:28pm PT
According to Chief Flynn, who reviewed video from the body camera of the officer who shot Smith, the chain of events that led to the shooting occurred during a period of just 20 to 25 seconds.

NO! He says that he DID NOT see the video, but had only looked at a single screenshot taken from it. No need to falsify evidence!

there is no way the Chief would falsify his report.

Really, you think he feels that he needs to protect your sensibilities more than he needs to protect his officer, and his department? What would you imagine might happen if the officer was found at fault? Often, it would be found to be a problem of supervision, and who then gets fired????

This is why so many people feel that such investigation should be undertaken by outside entities, rather than someone who had vested interests, and conflicts of interest.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 15, 2016 - 03:35pm PT
No mother should have to fear for her son's life every time he steals a car, steals a gun, and runs from cops.

Right, Larry, because all of those things should be dealt with by summary execution, the legal penalty for the offenses?

but steal a billion dollars, like Madhoff (sp), and that doesn't qualify for the car theft execution.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 15, 2016 - 03:40pm PT
Can we please wait until the facts are known before we start using inflammatory language? Good grief. This is what happened in Ferguson, causing civil unrest and ruining an officer's career.

Here's what we know so far. I'm sure the authorities know more.

The victim of the shooting had a semi-auto pistol with 20+ rounds loaded. This means he had an extended magazine which stuck out of the bottom of the grip about four inches. It doesn't matter who is white or black, if you carry that thing on the street and the cops see you you're are in peril of your life, and you know so.

I dunno, but I lost all sense of your integrity, when you simultaneously called for the cessation of speculation, and waited for all the facts are known.................

Then started posting about the Chief's biased partial report, and your assertion that the possession of a firearm guaranteed by the Constitution, is reasonable cause for you to be executed.....

......and you know it.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Aug 15, 2016 - 03:43pm PT
Incidents such as are taking place in Dallas, Baton Rouge, and Milwaukee, etc. are pure evil.

I doubt if anyone disagrees. Your unquestioning support for cops killing suspects is the issue here though.

Curt
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 15, 2016 - 03:43pm PT

Jody, aren't there more pressing matters you should be attending to?
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 15, 2016 - 04:48pm PT
I dunno, but I lost all sense of your integrity, when you simultaneously called for the cessation of speculation, and waited for all the facts are known.................

Then started posting about the Chief's biased partial report, and your assertion that the possession of a firearm guaranteed by the Constitution, is reasonable cause for you to be executed.....

......and you know it.

That is just about the most twisted post I have ever seen. And angry too. My integrity?? And I know what? That the body cam shows the guy with the gun in his hand raising it to shoot the cop? You called it an execution with no knowledge of the facts. I took a position based on facts from the camera.

A biased partial report? That video is going to be seen by a lot of people. The Chief will be toast if he has misrepresented it, and he knows it. And in case you didn't get the memo, the 2nd amendment does not give anyone the right to point a gun at a cop.

You can disagree with my take on things, but I have never been uncivil. I don’t impugn a person’s integrity just because we don’t see things the same way. Over and out.
WBraun

climber
Aug 15, 2016 - 04:52pm PT
I'll take Ksolem over Ken M any day.

I never ever want to meet Ken M ever ....
SusanA

Sport climber
Bay Area
Aug 15, 2016 - 04:59pm PT
I did a google search and could not find the footage of the shooting. Is it on line? I don't like to watch these things and I do not know if I will but I did not see that it was available.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 15, 2016 - 05:08pm PT
That is just about the most twisted post I have ever seen. And angry too. My integrity?? And I know what? That the body cam shows the guy with the gun in his hand raising it to shoot the cop? You called it an execution with no knowledge of the facts. I took a position based on facts from the camera.

A biased partial report? That video is going to be seen by a lot of people. The Chief will be toast if he has misrepresented it, and he knows it. And in case you didn't get the memo, the 2nd amendment does not give anyone the right to point a gun at a cop.

You can disagree with my take on things, but I have never been uncivil. I don’t impugn a person’s integrity just because we don’t see things the same way. Over and out.


Ken is out of line here. Really out of line. I'll say it so Kris doesn't have to, I'm used to this kinda slander. Kris doesn't need this bullsh#t.

FACTS: Kid runs from traffic stop (who cares what color he is). Cop pursues suspect and confronts suspect to raise his hands. Suspect does not comply and instead pulls what (correctly) appears to be a gun. Cop fires. Asshole pointing weapon at cop dies after evading police and refusing police commands.

Doesn't matter what color the cop and 'victim' are. It was a legit shooting...ANY COP SHOULD HAVE SHOT ANY PERP IN THIS SITUATION.

Otherwise, the cop would be dead, and the killer would be alive. Which way would you like this to turn out? Realistically.

Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Aug 15, 2016 - 05:17pm PT
I'm fairly liberal and this is probably a good time to go outside the box and, instead of saying, "what if that were my son that got shot?" try- "what if that was my son chasing an armed criminal down the alley?" aim well son...
SusanA

Sport climber
Bay Area
Aug 15, 2016 - 05:32pm PT
I think I found the video. Was the suspect's name Laquan McDonald?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 15, 2016 - 05:48pm PT

That is just about the most twisted post I have ever seen. And angry too. My integrity?? And I know what? That the body cam shows the guy with the gun in his hand raising it to shoot the cop? You called it an execution with no knowledge of the facts. I took a position based on facts from the camera.

This is exactly what I am talking about. You state, categorically, what the video shows. THE CHIEF SAYS HE HASN'T SEEN IT.

What I'm positive is, that YOU haven't seen it. And yet, you state categorically what it shows, citing a person who, like you, HAS NOT SEEN IT.

And you do that in the face of proclaiming, like the Virgin Mary, that no one should be commenting until ALL THE FACTS ARE IN.

Fine, then take your own advice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, you are wrong about the Chief being held to account. His clever little ruse "I haven't watched the video, but I've seen a screenshot from it" will allow him to backtrack after the fact----"well, I didn't see it!"

Also, BTW, I agree that you are invariably a polite and civil poster, even when you are wrong......
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