"they" is....

Jody

climber
Occupied Territory

Aug 12, 2016 - 01:18pm PT
DMT, with all due respect, aren't you overreacting a wee bit? . . . . . . .

We need to look at this issue with a little less emotion. In fact, we need to look at most issues with a LOT less emotion.

How'bout dem babies left to poach in hot cars. Ew.

Now they are rioting when a BLACK officer shoots an ARMED black suspect?

(At least one news story I read said the officer was black, even if the officer wasn't black, it was an armed suspect, so who cares?)

a black cop shoots a black guy with a gun and the "they" get mad and mess some sh#t up in the hood

That's one of the saddest things there is.

It is a "cop problem" when a cop shoots an ARMED criminal with a lengthy arrest record?

Now they are rioting when a BLACK officer shoots an ARMED black suspect?

(At least one news story I read said the officer was black, even if the officer wasn't black, it was an armed suspect, so who cares?)

...justifying an execution...

You stupid ass! The guy was armed and the cops shot him and you call it an "execution"?

The guy was armed and the cops shot him and you call it an "execution"?

Keep posting Curt, every post shows how stupid you are.

Start a poll. And when all of your fellow idiots vote that I am an idiot instead of you, I will take it as a badge of honor.

All I know is if you are looking to assign complete blame to one group or another, you are as dumb as Jody. Pretty f*#king dumb.

The gun was stolen. Maybe if there were more guns sold to law-abiding citizens this guy would have already been dead and the cops wouldn't have had to shoot him.

"I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home, and, number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately."

Oh, Jody has plenty to say tonight, John..


"Don't be stoopid."

"You are stoopid too."

"idiot."

"biggest moron here."

"You stupid ass!"

" you are not very bright either"

"You aren't real bright either."

"every post shows how stupid you are."

"all of your fellow idiots"

" you and your fellow idiots."

and I thought jody was a christian.

Ken M writes:

"Unless you are telling us that he KNEW what that guy's record was..."



Maybe the cop did. Knowing who's who in the community is what's known as Community Based Policing. It's the smart way to do things.

So, what is a "Christian" supposed to do, sit around and let idiots run roughshod over them?

Not only was he armed, he had the cop outgunned.

Tell me Curt, how do you justify calling it an "execution" when the guy was armed? NOBODY can call THAT a smart statement...except you and your fellow idiots.

"You guys"? Which one of those guys am I, man?

According to Chief Flynn, who reviewed video from the body camera of the officer who shot Smith, the chain of events that led to the shooting occurred during a period of just 20 to 25 seconds.

there is no way the Chief would falsify his report.

No mother should have to fear for her son's life every time he steals a car, steals a gun, and runs from cops.

Can we please wait until the facts are known before we start using inflammatory language? Good grief. This is what happened in Ferguson, causing civil unrest and ruining an officer's career.

Here's what we know so far. I'm sure the authorities know more.

The victim of the shooting had a semi-auto pistol with 20+ rounds loaded. This means he had an extended magazine which stuck out of the bottom of the grip about four inches. It doesn't matter who is white or black, if you carry that thing on the street and the cops see you you're are in peril of your life, and you know so.

Incidents such as are taking place in Dallas, Baton Rouge, and Milwaukee, etc. are pure evil.

I dunno, but I lost all sense of your integrity, when you simultaneously called for the cessation of speculation, and waited for all the facts are known.................

Then started posting about the Chief's biased partial report, and your assertion that the possession of a firearm guaranteed by the Constitution, is reasonable cause for you to be executed.....

......and you know it.

That is just about the most twisted post I have ever seen. And angry too. My integrity?? And I know what? That the body cam shows the guy with the gun in his hand raising it to shoot the cop? You called it an execution with no knowledge of the facts. I took a position based on facts from the camera.

A biased partial report? That video is going to be seen by a lot of people. The Chief will be toast if he has misrepresented it, and he knows it. And in case you didn't get the memo, the 2nd amendment does not give anyone the right to point a gun at a cop.

You can disagree with my take on things, but I have never been uncivil. I don’t impugn a person’s integrity just because we don’t see things the same way. Over and out.

That is just about the most twisted post I have ever seen. And angry too. My integrity?? And I know what? That the body cam shows the guy with the gun in his hand raising it to shoot the cop? You called it an execution with no knowledge of the facts. I took a position based on facts from the camera.

I'll take Ksolem over Ken M any day.

Curt, shooting armed suspects is NOT a problem.

Ken is out of line here. Really out of line. I'll say it so Kris doesn't have to, I'm used to this kinda slander. Kris doesn't need this bullsh#t.

FACTS: Kid runs from traffic stop (who cares what color he is). Cop pursues suspect and confronts suspect to raise his hands. Suspect does not comply and instead pulls what (correctly) appears to be a gun. Cop fires. Asshole pointing weapon at cop dies after evading police and refusing police commands.

Doesn't matter what color the cop and 'victim' are. It was a legit shooting...ANY COP SHOULD HAVE SHOT ANY PERP IN THIS SITUATION.

Otherwise, the cop would be dead, and the killer would be alive. Which way would you like this to turn out? Realistically.

A video of the event surfaced, and Thomas can be heard repeatedly screaming in pain while officers are heard repeatedly asking him to place his arms behind his back. He audibly responds "Okay, I'm sorry!" and "I'm trying!" while the officers stretch his arm back. The police officers claim that, unable to get Thomas to comply with the requests, they used a taser on him (up to five times according to a witness statement, and the video footage), and in the video Thomas can be heard screaming for his father.[22][23] Six officers were involved in subduing Thomas, who was unarmed and had a history of mental illness.

One of the paramedics testified that he was first instructed to attend to a police officer's minor injury and then noticed Thomas lying unconscious in a pool of blood

Using digital audio recording devices carried by the officers, surveillance video from a pole camera[27] at the Fullerton Transportation Center, and other evidence, Rackauckas **provided evidence that Thomas did comply with orders from Ramos, who had put on latex gloves and asked Thomas "Now see my fists? They are getting ready to f*#k you up."[28] Rackauckas went on to describe how Thomas begged for his life**, before being struck repeatedly by the officers.

Kelly Thomas was removed from life support and died on July 10, 2011, five days after the beating.[20] Initial reports claimed that Thomas had been very combative with officers and two had suffered broken bones.[34] Later, the police department confirmed that no officers had suffered any broken bones, and that no one other than Thomas had any significant injuries.

BUT, it also "looked" based on initial police reports that Walter Scott in South carolina got what was coming to him, except that the police report was false, the cop lied and planted a taser by him after shooting him in the back five times, and it was caught on video. That cop faces murder charges, rightly so.

So, what is a "Christian" supposed to do, sit around and let idiots run roughshod over them?

I went to a Christian school K-12. I'm not a pastor but I don't see anything wrong with what anybody posted here.

Jody, are you a pastor?

You godless types are really amusing...you tell Christians how they should act and the parameters they should live by, all the while denying the very precepts of Christianity.

I am wasting my time.

Jody's narrow view of Christianity mimics his narrow view of the world--and to him, only his view can possibly be right.

Curt

...you tell Christians how they should act and the parameters they should live by, all the while denying the very precepts of Christianity.
Quit wasting my time with your attempts at justifying Christian pacifism.

“If my brother did have his gun in his hand, why he didn’t shoot back? If he is going to out, why not go out with a fight? Why not go out with a big bang?” [Smith's sister] said.

ody, ever spent much time in Milwaukee? Chicago? St. Louis? NY? Philly? Baltimore? Boston? Any of the old midwest or east coast cities?

I have. All those police departments have been explicitly corrupt and racist over the course of their history and have always treated non-whites punitively. A few have at least made an effort over the past couple of decades, but the cultural aspects of racism on those forces is powerful and resists change.

And nothing has changed about their behavior and use of excessive force over the years other than now there are cellphone cameras and the internet. That shining a light on their behavior and body cameras are the only things that will even begin to make a change in those behaviors and cultures.

Hell, I'm from Chicago where they run a massive interrogation black-site that holds people pre-booking and without access to attorneys, phones, or outside contact. Who is typically held and interrogated there?


82.2% of people detained at Homan Square were black, compared with 32.9% of the Chicago population.

11.8% of detainees in the Homan Square logs were Hispanic, compared with 28.9% of the population.

5.5% of the detainees were white, compared with 31.7% of the population.

Nothing racist there...

Bottom line is the violence against police we're seeing nationwide isn't a response to a few recent and isolated incidents - it's a response to decades - entire lifetimes - of abusive and punitive police behavior and institutionalized racism. It's unfortunate that it's happening, but it's equally unfortunate that excessive and unwarranted police behavior now seeing light weekly if not daily is largely responsible for precipitating it.

Escopeta.. You make some very legitimate points. This is where I believe we start to see a systemic problem. I believe that it is in the mindset and training of the police. Its like they forget that their job is to serve. Some police departments seem to get it, and I'm sure that many police officers understand it, but when combined and creating a whole, something changes. I haven't been able to put my finger on the reason. In part it seems to stem from the militarization of the police. At least in my opinion, but I don't feel as though I fully understand the problem. Nor do I feel we as a country understand the problem.

When he was on duty if someone was pointing a gun to him with intent to shoot he would have used deadly force in return if that a person does not stand down or yield his weapon on his command.

'm glad I have never had to make such a decision, particularly as a function of my job. I dun know nothing about the incident that led to this thread, however. Don't really want to know, actually.

The problem is that any cop that wants to live through his shift better assume that everyone he interacts with is armed.

Curt, keep posting, your bigotry and hatred is showing.

Life isn't fair, and whether or not the officer would have been killed by the criminal if he had waited isn't a risk that I am willing to take. At some point, the criminals getting themselves killed have to take the blame. Sorry, given the choice, I want the cop to live and if a criminal dies to ensure that, so be it.

IMHO they need to change the hiring criteria for officers of the law...

This is spurred on by policies that serve only to divide police into a different class of citizens.

Hogwash. A citizen living in any major city is more likely to be killed walking down the street than a law enforcement officer anywhere in the country.

LAKE FOREST — The apprehension of four car-theft suspects by the California Highway Patrol prompted an informal police training session that cost Orange County Sheriff's Deputy Darryn Leroy Robins his life at the hands of a fellow deputy, officials disclosed Tuesday.

Both Robins and Brian Scanlan, the deputy who fired the fatal bullet, assisted in the Christmas Day apprehension. But Robins was apparently bothered by the execution of the arrests and, less than an hour later, decided to stage a re-enactment at a mall parking lot to iron out procedural problems.

"Deputy Robins had some method to offer the other officers (that) he felt might make their response safer. . . . I think he was thinking there might have been a better way" to handle the freeway stop, said Lake Forest Mayor Marcia Rudolph.

But then something went tragically wrong.

While authorities continued their refusal to comment in any detail, investigators appear to be focusing on the possibility that Robins, 30, playing the part of the driver in the "hot stop," surprised Scanlan, 32, by reaching for a gun from the visor of his patrol car, said law-enforcement sources familiar with the case.

Hogwash. A citizen living in any major city is more likely to be killed walking down the street than a law enforcement officer anywhere in the country.

You just like being purposely obtuse.

Peggy Hubbard nails it.

I think hiring X military is a mistake...

I think hiring X military is a mistake...

those as#@&%es in Millwakee burned six buisnesses.

I like being right. And in this case I am 100% correct. Prove me wrong.

When he was on duty if someone was pointing a gun to him with intent to shoot he would have used deadly force in return if that a person does not stand down or yield his weapon on his command.

Once again, nothing but cop bias. You do NOT know the facts. You have read no police reports, you have interviewed none of the cops, you have interviewed none of the witnesses, you have not seen the video.

This is the sort of bias that much of the populace blames the cops for, overt bias in investigations. I'm sure you'd take the stand, and with your hand on a bible, swear to these "facts".

I thought police are well trained. No?

apparently this guy was rough enough that he had to be asked to transfer to another dept.

Read Heather McDonald. She knows what she's talking about

From 1976 to 2005, blacks committed over 52 percent of all murders in America.

Don't believe everything you read. Just because its on the internet doe not mean its true.

You believe it, because you want to believe it. Simply put.

I litigate these cases all the time, and the plain truth is that the original story line promoted by the police is often not born out during the truth seeking process.

Its usually too complicated for simple minded people to digest and analyze.

And of course you view Donald Trump to be a rational person...

As if that fuker thinks before he shoots his stupid mouth off...




LOL!!!...

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Head down to Walgreens and get yourself a passport photo. ($10)
Take a firearm safety training class with the NRA (us!) (We used to charge $85, but now our class is FREE! Read more here!)
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Send it away!

Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you're a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.

Here is an ad from Florida. Note that the class is given by the people selling the guns. Wouldn't that make one think that maybe they have motivation to pass as many people as possible? LOL.. Sorry Blue, but come on.

Are you kidding me???...

locker

climber
"STFU n00b!!!"

Aug 16, 2016 - 02:29pm PT



Here's my thinking...

It would be easier (And most likely cheaper) to start fresh...

than to go through the process of re-teaching someone from the Military...(Think, mean PIT BULL from the pound)






tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT

Aug 16, 2016 - 02:34pm PT
Depends on how much door kicking they have done. One of my climbing partners is a state cop and he had storys about working with a guy who had done too many tours in the sand box. aparently this guy was rough enough that he had to be asked to transfer to annother dept.

I think you have it backwards. Normally a black person is shot by a cop and almost everybody jumps to conclusions.

In the current case, before anybody saw the video, everybody assumed the same thing again. A bad shooting by a cop. Initial reports did say the perp was armed with a gun.

I was saying it looked like a legit shooting. More and more, as we learn more. I think Kris may have been implying the same.

It's better to not jump to conclusions until there is a police statement. Trying telling that to thugs and BLM a-holes, looking for an excuse to riot.

The problem is that irrational and easy provokable people don't want to wait for facts or details. They will create the narrative they NEED TO PURSUE THEIR AGENDA.

Rational people are o.k. to wait for the facts and let the American legal system adjudicate the problem.

That's the way sh#t works in this country.

Is it unusual for "unstable" people to get access to CCW permits? Yes. They're fairly strict.

Father ‘utterly terrified’ after trooper points gun at his 7-year-old during traffic stop

At first, Kenneth Walton thought the Arizona state trooper following him and his 7-year-old daughter wanted to warn him of a broken taillight.

They were in a rental car, on a stretch of Interstate 40 between Las Vegas and Flagstaff, Ariz., on what was supposed to be a fun Grand Canyon vacation. It was dark, and Walton knew he hadn’t been speeding, so — not thinking much of it — he pulled over on an off-ramp, rolled down his driver’s side window and waited.

That’s when things went “terribly awry,” according to the San Francisco man’s account of what happened last Thursday.

“Tonight, I was arrested at gunpoint by an Arizona highway patrol officer who threatened to shoot me in the back (twice) in front of my 7-year-old daughter,” Walton wrote on Facebook, hours after the incident. “For a moment, I was certain he was going to kill me for no reason. I’m alive, and I need to share the story.”

The Arizona Department of Public Safety confirmed that the traffic stop took place but disputed the tone and some of the details in Walton’s Facebook post, calling it “inflammatory” and “irresponsible.” The department is standing by the trooper’s actions, including his threat to shoot Walton during the traffic stop, said Capt. Damon Cecil of the Arizona Department of Public Safety.

According to the DPS, the traffic stop occurred around 7:43 p.m. on Aug. 11, after the license plate on Walton’s rental car came up as stolen. The trooper requested backup and followed the rental car on the Interstate 40 until it exited the highway.

In addition, Walton said his daughter was sitting in a booster seat in the rear passenger side of the vehicle, not in the front, and was in view — not crouched or reclined — the entire time.

Suddenly, the officer rapped on the rear passenger side window with his pistol. My daughter, who was sitting inches from the barrel of his gun, jumped with fear as the officer yelled at me to roll down the front passenger window, his service weapon pointed directly at me. I knew something was terribly awry and I tried to remain calm, keeping my hands visible as I slowly fumbled for the window controls in an unfamiliar car.

Walton said he was somehow able to roll the passenger window down, at which point the trooper ordered him to exit the car with his hands up.

Then, as I had my hands in the air, he yelled, at the top of his lungs, in a voice I will never forget, as my daughter looked on in terror, “Get your hands away from your waist or I’ll blow two holes through your back right now!” My hands were high in the air as he said this, and I was not in any way reaching for my waist. I was utterly terrified. I’ve heard stories of police yelling out false things like this before they unjustifiably attack someone as a way to justify the attack, and I thought this was what was happening to me. I braced for bullets to hit me and all I could think of was my daughter having to watch it happen and being left alone on the side of the highway with an insane, violent cop.

Cecil confirmed that Villegas pointed a gun at the 7-year-old, but did so unintentionally, and that he threatened to shoot Walton because he “perceived a threat.”

If you are a person who has ever looked skeptically at the claims of Black Lives Matter, or others who talk about police violence, I urge you to consider what happened to me and put yourselves in the shoes of others. I just survived a bizarre gunpoint situation in which I was as innocent as Philando Castile, who was not as lucky as I was. We live in a society where anywhere and everyone can have a gun at any time, and police are responding with fear in dangerous ways. I got lucky tonight. My daughter and I made it to the Grand Canyon and I’m going to try to salvage what’s left of our vacation. Many others — because of the color of their skin or the way they look or because of simple bad luck — did not meet the same fate.

Then, as I had my hands in the air, he yelled, at the top of his lungs, in a voice I will never forget, as my daughter looked on in terror, “Get your hands away from your waist or I’ll blow two holes through your back right now!” My hands were high in the air as he said this, and I was not in any way reaching for my waist. I was utterly terrified. I’ve heard stories of police yelling out false things like this before they unjustifiably attack someone as a way to justify the attack, and I thought this was what was happening to me. I braced for bullets to hit me and all I could think of was my daughter having to watch it happen and being left alone on the side of the highway with an insane, violent cop.

no more bark in mirror Jody. in fact, puhleeeeeze just stop barking, at least on ST.

Like yall are gonna end anything.

Just shut up and do as you're told
Stay out of the road if you want to grow old.

DMT

Coach37

Social climber
Philly

Aug 17, 2016 - 08:19am PT
My dad taught me how to drive.

Namely, gun laws. Gun laws pretty much found roots in the prohibition era and when prohibition was over, a lot of the enforcement just switched over to this new set of laws that they could trip up the average citizen with and knock heads.

Curt, you are an absolute idiot. You know darn good and well that being armed and not following the instructions of the officer is NOT murder by the officer. The "poor innocent victim" in question on this thread was a criminal with a stolen gun and not following the instructions of an officer. Do I have to spell every stupid detail out to you on every post?How can you be so freaking dumb? You must have smacked your head on the balance beam a few too many times.

Jody claims to hate Trump, yet copies his style and attitude whenever possible.

I'd love to see some historical references for this (the focus on gun laws post-prohibition).

My dad taught me how to drive. My dad is black. Part of my dad's drivers ed course was about how to deal with the popo. The one thing that is burned into my little brain, was this:

"If you get pulled over, DO NOT get out of the car unless you are instructed to. Get your wallet out of your pocket before you stop the car and put it on the dash. Put your windows down, both of them, because some places they walk up the driver side, some the passenger side.

Turn on the interior light of the car before they get out of their car, so they can see what is going on, and put both hands on top of the steering wheel and leave them there.

When they ask you for id and insurance, you tell the officer where those are located - "Sir, my insurance card is located in the glovebox. Can I open the glovebox to get it for you? Ok, I am opening the glovebox now. and keep your other hand on the wheel the whole time. "

And I do all that, everytime I get pulled. Why? Because I'm not white and I don't want to get shot or hassled by some dickhead cop! I don't speed, I drive a relatively new, clean, and boring car. I don't hang around shady areas, and I'm not out past 10pm. But I get pulled over all the time.

Good idea. Let me know what you dig up. Knowledge is power you know....

Has the video been released yet ; so we can see what really happened.

So it's just more garbage you made up. Good to know.

My dad taught me how to drive. My dad is black. Part of my dad's drivers ed course was about how to deal with the popo. The one thing that is burned into my little brain, was this:

"If you get pulled over, DO NOT get out of the car unless you are instructed to. Get your wallet out of your pocket before you stop the car and put it on the dash. Put your windows down, both of them, because some places they walk up the driver side, some the passenger side.

Turn on the interior light of the car before they get out of their car, so they can see what is going on, and put both hands on top of the steering wheel and leave them there.

When they ask you for id and insurance, you tell the officer where those are located - "Sir, my insurance card is located in the glovebox. Can I open the glovebox to get it for you? Ok, I am opening the glovebox now. and keep your other hand on the wheel the whole time. "

And I do all that, everytime I get pulled. Why? Because I'm not white and I don't want to get shot or hassled by some dickhead cop! I don't speed, I drive a relatively new, clean, and boring car. I don't hang around shady areas, and I'm not out past 10pm. But I get pulled over all the time.

I do the exact same things and I'm a white guy. It just makes sense. It doesn't have a thing to do with race.

Don't be upset that people don't believe you.

“This is a warning cry. Do we continue with the inequities, the injustice, the unemployment, the undereducation that creates these byproducts that we seen this evening? Do we continue that… The black people of Milwaukee are tired of living under this oppression… This is what it’s like living under this oppression… No one here can deny the fact that there is problems, racial problems here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin that have to be closely not examined but rectified. Rectify this immediately because if you don’t this vision of downtown, all of that, you one day away. You one day away.”

I'm sorry, do I sound upset? I'm not. You can believe me or not. It matters little to me.

Why yall getting pulled over so much at night? WTF are you doing?!

You're not caring so...hard...right now. If you put half this energy into backing up your "facts" your assertions might look like more than typical libertarian dreamworld victim fantasies.

And just think if you spent half as much energy on learning for yourself you would already know I'm right and in the process not look like anything more than a crybaby.

When "it" is endemic then it is a test for the society to step in and change "it". So far our wonderful American society has failed miserably in addressing institutional racism in poverty stricken areas. How about transferring defense budget monies to pre-schools and after school programs, more health care benefits to name just few basic human needs that would go a long way to relieve some oppression.

The "poor innocent victim" in question on this thread was a criminal with a stolen gun and not following the instructions of an officer. Do I have to spell every stupid detail out to you on every post?

ut IMHO we should give nothing less than what is needed for the essentials and a proper education for all children...

:"Why yall getting pulled over so much at night? WTF are you doing?!"\

DWB. Driving while black.

Coach37 posted
You are really trying to tell me that me getting pulled over, again and again, has nothing to do with race? I shouldn't be surprised that people who don't experience it try to discount it, but it still makes me kind mad.