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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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SPLATTER-GATE!!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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It appears we've completely lost Cragman to the dark side
re: evolution and science, re: climate change, re: hillary clinton
Sad.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Yeah, it's as if past "shameful words" don't reflect a thinking process that carries over to a man's values, character and politics.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Dan Rarher's words
[quote"]The headlines of the moment are in the growing roll call of prominent Republicans who are rescinding their support for Donald Trump. But I am left wondering how his candidacy and those who supported, enabled it, and abetted him until now, will be viewed through the long lens of history. It should be noted that many conservative editorial boards and critics have already come out against Trump long before this latest bombshell in very stark terms.
Apparently everyone has a line, and yet do you feel things would be different if all of these politicians thought Trump could still win in November?
And what should we make of all the other groups who have been insulted and marginalized by Trump and yet his supporters stood by him?
He attacked Mexicans as rapists and murderers - but that was not enough.
He called for barring Muslims from entering the country - but that was not enough.
He incited violence in his rallies - but that was not enough.
He publicly mocked the disabled - but that was not enough.
He retweeted anti-Semitic memes - but that was not enough.
He demeaned a Gold Star Family - but that was not enough.
He insulted the press and railed against their Constitutional freedoms - but that was not enough.
He said that those who suffer from PTSD were weak - but that was not enough.
He had a long history of misogynist and sexist comments - but that was not enough.
He repeatedly lied on issues big and small - but that was not enough.
He refused to release his tax records or health records - but that was not enough.
He joked about violence against his political rival - but that was not enough.
I could go on, and I ask you to do so in the comments section. Perhaps we can tag it with #butthatwasnotenough.
I know some equate Donald Trump with Nazisim - that goes too far for me. But in recent hours I have been hearing echoes of the chilling poem by the German anti-Nazi theologian Martin Niemöller about the culpability of his country's elite in the rise of Nazism."
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
"America's better nature has always been to speak out for the marginalized and dispossessed. It is an ideal for which we have all too often fallen far short. What about now?"
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Ah yes, I can hear the fat lady singing on stage tonight. Barring a collapse and stroke out, best prepare for the hideous vision of the libtard's alternative universe.
It's a pity, though the vessel was deeply flawed, I was looking forward to at least an attempt to make America great again.
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Karkoekstan
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I am voting for DMT but wait, julian Assange said he'll add extra fuel to Hilary's fire in the upcoming weeks
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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"America 'is' great!"
We are only as great as our finest hour, and as horrific as our most horrific deed.
Our duty is to inform ourselves as to what those things may be...
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Bubba Ho-Tep
climber
Evergreen, CO
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Surely you guys realize that when DT said "Grab em by the pussy", he was referring to male HRC voters.
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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^^^^^
OH, I forgot again this wasn't an intelligent conversation.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Remember when Chris Brown beat up Rhianna?
It was news for about a day and then I see the left praising him on their music awards not long after.
The left clearly has no problem with actual abuse of women, but when the political opponent talks like a red-blooded heterosexual male in a locker room?
Feign the outrage!!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oh, man...tonight is gonna be gooooodddd....
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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The good news is that I won't need to watch tonight's debate either because Apogee will be serving up a blow by blow again.
How do they fit you under that podium?
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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it is written,
tonight, Hillary shall grab Lord Trump by the Pussy
he'll let her do it and like it
cuz she is famous
can i get an AMEN!?
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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I'm refining my theories....
When it comes to learning about love and acceptance and safety and the softer points of emotions and our attitude toward people in the world, we all are born with a blank slate for a mind. Before we have experience and learn powers of discernment (if we ever do), we take it as a fundamental definition that what our parents do is right and good. In general that is a good survival strategy- your parents survived and made you so whatever they did must work. Our parents behavior that we observe becomes the blueprint we adopt for how to give and receive love, acceptance, safety, etc. Our society reinforces the idea that love and acceptance and safety are what our homes and families provide. If this turns out to not be literally true in specific cases, then this creates a dissonance that needs resolution. If we have doubts because we feel bad about what our parents actually do, instead of doubting our parents, we doubt ourselves and think something must be wrong with us. As we grow, some of us rebel and seek other answers and go through a cycle of separation from the actions and values of our parents. Some of us try harder to ignore and suppress our deepest honest feelings and conform ourselves to the world we observe of our parents' making, to make ourselves into the image of our parents to earn their love and respect by showing we are just like them.
I think this is the dysfunction in our society that has allowed Trump to flourish. Too many people have been raised in families with parents who are either as#@&%es, abusive, cheaters, or all of the above. People with greater intellectual resources can often overcome the incorrect early programming through a process of introspection and acquiring new data after they are outside the immediate influence of their family, as long as they are in a culture that supports a variety of perspectives and attitudes. But for people who are less intelligent, they may be less inclined to introspection or questioning their own beliefs and they can easily go an entire life entrenched in whatever morasses they were unfortunate enough to inherit.
I suspect all of the people who are supporters of Trump had fathers who are either as#@&%es, abusers, cheaters, misogynists, or all of the above. For these people, all of those attributes are forgivable because they are closely intertwined with the notions of power and safety that our parents represent.
This is as close as I can get to understanding how some people who seem otherwise reasonable, generous, family-centric, and "conservative" in all the good ways that adjective used to imply, yet these people can turn a blind eye to the absolute unfitness of a candidate to represent our collective best interests. It's just an echo of an abused child hugging dad at the police station and saying "I want to go home, don't take him away from me."
But this is all the inner dialog, perhaps occurring subconsciously for the people immersed in it, with a tough-guy veneer of gun rights and machismo and entitled "this is my country get the F out" attitude.
So all the divisive talk and all the earnest attempts and making rational proofs and piling evidence, none of this is going to turn such people. It just puts their backs against the wall, shows them how the world is against them, and their only hope in the midst of this fight-or-flight experience is to seek safety, the only "safety" they have known since their childhood, and embracing Trump their surrogate father.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Of course he did.
He was a DEMOCRAT at the time.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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How sweet would it be if he got in the debate and said "That was the way I used to think when I was a Democrat but now that I'm a Republican I know better".
And then look over at Hillary and say, "See, your husband never switched over to the GOP so he still thinks that way".
Lol
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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I hope The Donald takes your advice Essie, it would be the end of him, good riddance, the national nightmare will end.
they will definitely shake hands. nobody wants to start the inevitable sh#t storm
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