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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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She is going to lose,Russ is right
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JC Marin
Trad climber
CA
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So if Trump wins and all of the "Libtards"(as you say) escape to Canada and all 12 million illegal aliens are sent back to Mexico, Central America, etc--how the f*#k is anything going to get done in this country?
Who will pick our food, clean up our gardens, man the Apple genius bars, buy $8 bottles of beer from chic dive bars, who will buy Volvos and so forth?
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Daphne
Trad climber
Northern California
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Washington (CNN)The Dallas Morning News editorial board said Tuesday they would not give their blessing to Donald Trump in 2016, ending a streak of endorsing every Republican presidential nominee since 1968.
In an editorial titled "Donald Trump is no Republican," the paper's editors rebuked the GOP hopeful, advising Texas voters that Trump is "not qualified to serve as president and does not deserve your vote."
They argue that Trump "inexplicably" won the primary despite being "the one who thumbed his nose at conservative orthodoxy altogether. Trump is -- or has been -- at odds with nearly every GOP ideal that this newspaper holds dear," they wrote. "Donald Trump is no Republican and certainly no conservative."
Poll: Nine weeks out, a near even race
The Morning News, which backed Ohio Gov. John Kasich during the primaries, cited Trump's "authoritarian streak that should horrify limited-government advocates" and his "open admiration of Russia's Vladimir Putin" as "alarming" reasons to oppose his candidacy. They also criticized the real estate mogul's economic policies, saying that "his protectionism would likely force the U.S. into trade wars, increase the deficit, and sink the U.S. economy back into a recession."
"His ideas are so far from Republicanism that they have spawned a new description: Trumpism."
How Donald Trump could win
And without mentioning Trump's rival, Democrat Hillary Clinton, the paper made clear it would not be getting behind Trump's movement.
"We have no interest in a Republican nominee for whom all principles are negotiable, nor in a Republican Party that is willing to trade away principle for pursuit of electoral victory. Trump doesn't reflect Republican ideals of the past; we are certain he shouldn't reflect the GOP of the future."
CNN has reached out to the Trump campaign for comment on the Morning News' editorial, but did not immediately receive a response.
In late July, another prominent Texas newspaper with a history of conservative political endorsements -- the Houston Chronicle -- also made headlines when it endorsed Clinton and labeled Trump a "danger to the Republican Party" in an op-ed.
I'll just leave this here.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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I see that Wilber is a sore loser because Sanders didn't get the nod.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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The Republican party caters mostly to the haves and the have nots are slowly figuring out that they've been had by the Republican Party...It's hillarious to watch the Republicans blame Trump for their failed policies...Losers...!
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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I wonder if Hillary will be able to double the national debt also? Think she can do it? I think she can.
A worthy goal, no doubt--and if you want to eliminate all doubt of success, elect Trump.
Curt
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Don't bother Escopeta , he's busy watching re-runs of Orange County Choppers...
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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I wonder if Hillary will be able to double the national debt also? Think she can do it? I think she can.
Well, she doesn't have to save the country from the worst recession in the history of the country, and reverse a catastrophic job loss situation.
However, elect another Repug, and you can look forward to these proven economic solutions for our country.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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really quite remarkable how tight this race has now become...
remarkable because despite trump's continued ability to stick his foot further down his throat than a person would think could be anatomically possible [he's seriously been having twitter wars with the parents of fallen soldiers in the last couple of months?]; and the ability for cnn, et al to deepthroat the clinton campaign further than a person would think could be anatomically possible [if one hasn't already, take a look for example, at how they cover their own polls when trump is in the lead by two percentage points - as just happened in the last couple days - versus how they cover their own polls when clinton is two percentage points ahead] it is still one hell of a [lame horse] horse race.
and so given how, by almost any "official" voice, trump should be effectively irrelevant at this point, trump's continued survival is proving to be one more piece of evidence that "objective" reality is but a consensus.
while fivethirtyeight still has clinton at 2:1 statistical odds, when one looks at the individual states the whole race really appears to be coming down to six states...
basically if the election was to be held today, given the unlikelihood of the other states flipping from their current red or blue positions whoever takes five out of the six following states would win:
florida, ohio and north carolina are all basically 50/50 according to fivethirtyeight's projections.
and nevada, wisconsin and michigan are all roughly 2:1 for clinton at the present...
and so accepting nate silver's observation that the swing states generally rise and fall as a group, this basically means that the election is, right now at least, coming down to a best two out of three...
as of right now, whoever wins two out of nevada, wisconsin and michigan is likely going to win this thing...
given trump [a war dodging upper crust dilettente whose only real contribution to society - because no, gold encrusted effigies to ones own name and small dick are not real contributions - has been the entertainment derived from his fame whoring] has basically been able to repeatedly point a gun at his own head and pull the trigger [i still can't believe that he said of john mccain, a decorated war vet, that he "likes people who weren't captured" or that he can call a respected, by many, female journalist megyn kelly a "bimbo", not to mention the "blood coming out of wherever" quote directed at her] with virtually no long term consequence, if i was a clinton fan i wouldn't be feeling too great about this right now...
because one major gaffe... one major screw up in a debate for example and two out of those three may flip from 2:1 to 50/50 or to 1:2...
trump, as he said he could, has already proven that he can get away with political murder...
and given clinton either went 275 days before her most recent press conference a day ago [or if one doesn't consider, as many outlets don't, a press gaggle on a plane a press conference, then 276 days while still having no press conference] than it still remains to be seen what she will or won't be able to get away with once the gloves really start to come off...
while it's true that trump can kiss the african american vote as a block good bye [along with the majority of the latino vote], as some have pointed out, it remains to be seen whether they will as voting blocks turn out to actually vote for clinton, as they did for barack...
at the same time, as has been seen on this board to some degree, trump has surged ahead with independents and is now up by 17% with that block... and that has been done while his campaign spending has been almost exactly half of that of ms. clinton...
fascinating stuff.
with their first prime time joint forum happening this week and three presidential and one vice presidential debates in the next sixish weeks, the fat lady most certainly hasn't sung yet...
and it's looking more and more like there are only three fat singers that are going to matter...
the leader of the "free" world is coming down to the voting decisions of nevadinians, wiconsonites and michigonians...
and so because the sentiment is regardless of who wins, as they say to those just handed a death sentence:
may god have mercy on y/our souls. [ha!]
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Nah000
It isn't that close.
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Daphne
Trad climber
Northern California
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Am I wrong in thinking that Houston has a pretty strong Dem leaning? I have relatives in Dallas and they are the kind of people who would vote Repub ticket no matter what and probably like Trump. I don't talk to them ever.
I read some of the comments over at Dallas Morning News. Sounded a awful lot like the comments on this thread.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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The Houston area is a large place (4th or 5th largest in the nation depending on the metric). There are pockets of any type of group there (politically, socially, economically). While it has it's diversity, it is still red imo.
A look at city-data.com shows that in the last election, it went 49% Romney; 49% Obama (1% other). That doesn't take into account the outlying areas, which (I'm guessing) is redder.
I lived there 30 years, and my family are still there. My continued experiences there say far more red than not.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Austin is the traditional modern democratic holdout. Texas as a whole was reshaped into a Republican stronghold because of gerrymandering and not because it's crazy conservative. Demographic shifts and voter mobility makes all gerrymandering lose potency over time.
nah00 posted really quite remarkable how tight this race has now become...
Only in comparison to how broad the gap was during the extended post-convention bounce Clinton got. It's not that remarkable given that Clinton can only make news by coughing or talking about Trump. For how "out to get Trump" the media allegedly is they are playing into his low expectations and conspiracy game pretty easily. She continues to put out serious policy proposals and people basically ignore them.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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What a great list:
1) Put up a private email server (not just used a third-party service, which would itself log and keep records) on which public and top-secret records were stored.
 Big deal. W deleted up to 5 million email from the White House, nobody cared. And that was the White House email!
2) Put that server up without the SLIGHTEST awareness nor following of MINIMAL best-practices for security (not even a valid SSL cert in place for months!).
Big deal, who cares. We all know, politicians have secrets they keep.
3) Engaged in a multi-year obfuscation campaign of flat-out lies to deny lawful Congressional and FOIA requests for information about her server and communication practices.
Big deal. See above. (Seems like your first three points are really just the same tired gripe).
4) Destroyed evidence in the face of Congressional and FBI investigations.
Is this about the email servers again? Yawn.
5) Instructed others to destroy evidence in the face of Congressional and FBI investigations.
Um, is this a stretch of the truth? I think it is.
6) Unlawfully and unilaterally decided what public records to submit and what records to destroy.
Now I know this is a lie. It seems you're really butt-hurt about the email server. But we know, as Sanders has said, nobody really cares about Clinton's email. It's just some crazy talking point that you can sharpen into a stick.
Repeat after me, George W. Bush deleted up to 5 million email from the White House servers, and these are the ones that detailed why he started two unfunded wars. You know, the wars that sent the Middle East into a major-f*#kknot.
7) Put national secrets, including those at the highest level of security denotation, at risk, exercising "extreme carelessness" and gross negligence in the storage and transmission of said materials.
Um, isn't this just another way of rephrasing your item #2? Yes, I think it is.
8) Lied endlessly and repeatedly to the public and to Congress regarding her communication modalities.
Um, same thing again?
9) Lied repeatedly about lying.
I think you're confusing her with Trump, who cannot say a sentence without lying.
10) In the process of the above, repeatedly committing multiple felonies and misdemeanors ("intent" is mentioned NOWHERE in the statutes she violated, despite what Comey says).
This is the doozy. You are making up things, just like a good little Republican has been taught to do by his handlers. Good work.
Now, about your candidate Trump...
1) Has he done anything in the past to help others, or has he just done things to enrich himself.
2) What makes you think he will suddenly change his MO and reverse his life-long quest to be King, and actually help the ones he is running to serve?
My guess is you will not, and cannot, answer either 1) or 2).
When Trump came on the stage, people supported him because:
1) He was self funded.
2) He didn't partake in "politics" as usual.
Now we see that both of these perceptions are completely false.
Funny to see now what Trump supporters say in favor of their candidate.
The truth is, Trump supporters cannot say anything in favor of their candidate. All they can do is repeat the lies that Fox News has screwed into their heads about why Hillary is the devil.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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With so little to differentiate between the two party choices why is it such a revelation that some media outlets might flip flop over their choices and recommendations?
The mere fact that a supposed news outlet would recommend a candidate should give you pause to begin with. But most are too wrapped up in their own partisan drum circle to realize how the future of our country is so sewed up that Presidential or Congressional elections hold little potential for a change of course.
Some of the statist retards on here are too stupid to realize that either choice offers them bigger government, more regulations, less individual liberty and further sinking into public debt.
Today's random headline:
Trump will release tax returns if Clinton shares her deleted emails
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Trump will release tax returns if Clinton shares her deleted emails
Um, if she deleted them, how can she share them?
So, safe bet on Trump's side.
Why won't he release his tax returns? What is he hiding?
As for Hillary's email, we pretty much know what's in there--look upstream to what Werner said.
That's about the worst it could be.
But Trump, what is he hiding?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"With so little to differentiate between the two party choices..."
You got a lot of nerve referring to those who disagree with you as 'stupid' when you make such a pathetically ridiculous statement like that, Esco.
If you can't see the difference between these candidates, you are ideologically blindered or to use your word, STUPID.
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